SCIENTOLOGY SETTLES WITH DEBBIE COOK

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Debbie Cook and her attorney, Ray Jeffrey
It's turning into quite a day of revelations for Scientology Watchers.

Earlier this morning we reported that charges had been dropped against Scientology executive Jan Eastgate in Australia.

And now, another stunning development: Marty Rathbun just reported at his blog that the Church of Scientology has settled its lawsuit against former church executive Debbie Cook and her husband Wayne Baumgarten.

I just confirmed this with Debbie's attorney, Ray Jeffrey, who tells me he really can't say anything else about the terms of the settlement

"The matter is settled. That's the full extent of it," he says.

Rathbun, who had helped raise money for Cook's defense and had worked closely with Jeffrey, says that for both sides, the major revelations in the case had already been aired, and neither side had an interest for the case to continue...

"On Debbie and Wayne's side the only thing to gain was further opportunities for exposure of what has already been exposed; and the potential of an award for their limited counterclaims. The 9 Feb testimony of Debbie was for the most part all that the world at large would be interested in hearing from her."

Rathbun also indicated that Debbie Cook will not be a part of the "independent Scientologist" movement that he's been a part of...

"I am fairly confident that part of settlement includes that there will be no future participation of Debbie and Wayne in the Independent movement."

Does that mean she's really, truly, going to stay quiet about the church from now on? The lawsuit itself, of course, was about her speaking out in violation, the church said, of her non-disclosure agreement.

Let us review...

Scientology was rocked by allegations of greed in an e-mail that was sent out on New Year's Eve by one of its most legendary former executives, Debbie Cook, who had run Scientology's "mecca" -- Flag Land Base -- for 17 years, from 1989 to 2006.

In her e-mail, Cook complained that Scientology was betraying the principles of founder L. Ron Hubbard as current leader David Miscavige turned the church into little more than a constant fundraising machine.

Cook herself had at one time been an enforcer of that fundraising focus, but after experiencing degrading confinement and homophobic hazing at an office-prison on the grounds of Scientology's international base in California, she had become disillusioned and left church staff in 2007. She moved to San Antonio, and had remained a church member but was cut off from the people she knew in the church and her own family -- but kept in touch with many Scientologists through social media.

On January 27, the church sued Cook and her husband Wayne Baumgarten, revealing that they had each been paid $50,000 and signed non-disclosure agreements when they left the church's employ. The church alleged that by sending out the New Year's e-mail, they violated those agreements by disparaging the church.

On February 9, we were on the scene as Cook provided stunning testimony about her confinement at "The Hole," the office-prison on the campus of Scientology's "Int Base" in California. The hearing had been intended for Scientology to argue for a temporary injunction to keep Cook quiet during the duration of the lawsuit, but after she gave that testimony -- essentially making the injunction meaningless -- church attorneys withdrew their request for it.

Cook and Baumgarten then gave an interview to several of us reporters. Cook reiterated her faith in L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology, at the same time that she seemed determine to fight against the lawsuit filed by Miscavige's church.

In fact, Cook soon filed a countersuit to that effect, and pressed for the church to produce an official for a deposition, as well as extensive records.

Then, about two weeks into March, the case went quiet. We heard that there had been an illness in Jeffrey's office, and that the case had been put on hold. But after several weeks, that excuse began to seem less likely.

We suspected that settlement talks were happening. Just last night, we were calling people involved in the case, but they were careful and didn't tip us.

I have sent a request for a statement to church spokeswoman Karin Pouw, and I'll let you know if I hear anything.

More soon.


UPDATE: OK, one more big story today and my head is going to explode. The always reliable Roger Friedman has details on Will Smith's donation to a school that pushes Scientology's "Study Tech" -- turns out he gave the school $1.2 million.


UPDATE 2: For those who seem to think Debbie Cook walked away with a large cash payment, you might review the facts in this case first. I just had a lengthy talk with Scott Pilutik, our resident legal resident on Scientology matters. He reminds me what Cook was facing in this case: she had put out a single e-mail, expressing her religious feelings, and for that she had been sued by a church that was demanding $300,000 in damages and probably a lot more than that as the case went forward.

Cook had to be concerned about the draconian nature of the agreement she had signed in 2007, which was simply astounding in some of its terms. As Jeffrey had pointed out to me, if they strictly followed the terms of that agreement, the church was entitled to ask for millions in damages from Cook and Baumgarten.

At any time, however, the Church of Scientology could simply drop this case and walk away from it if they wanted to. So why, no matter how well Cook had been doing in this case so far -- and she had been doing very well -- would the church pay her to get out of the lawsuit?

Pilutik and I have no knowledge of the actual terms of the settlement, but an educated guess tells us that Cook and Baumgarten may have made a new promise not to speak publicly about the church in return for Scientology dropping its demand of hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of dollars. A scenario where the church would pay Cook is harder to imagine.

We are not privy to what Cook and Baumgarten brought to the settlement talks, of course, but those accusing Cook of "being all about the money" might keep some of these basic facts in mind.


UPDATE 3: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin now have their story up. The Tampa Bay Times duo recount some of the amazing testimony that was heard in the case.

"The settlement was reached as the church was preparing to ask for a summary judgment, an attempt to seize a victory before the case got off the ground. But Jeffrey said Cook's Feb. 9 testimony raised numerous issues that warranted further inquiry, including a hearing by a jury," they write. "A hearing on the summary judgment motion was set for early May."


UPDATE 4: Tobin and Childs now have the court filing ending the case. As our expert Scott Pilutik predicted, it calls for Cook and Baumgarten to keep quiet about the church, the church drops its demands for damages, and no money changes hands:

The agreement dated Monday allows both sides to essentially call it even and go their separate ways. Neither pays the other side money, and Cook and her husband are legally prohibited from ever again speaking ill of the church.


The court filing itself, which Rathbun made available at his site.

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As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and is now being sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.

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katialeitao2004
katialeitao2004

The settlement, having read it, reminds me of the sketch in the Monty Phytons, (old school British comedy with John Cleese) where they are ruling some sort of Justice in the time of Jesus, and there was some religious malfeasance, I think it was uttering the name of the Lord... this was a serious crime, and the scene ends, quite beyond the initial stoning by the watching public  that delights in the sadism of their 'justice', with the poor creature being stumped , finally so, with a massive stone, a sort of menhir, that shut him up for good.
Curiously at that point the stone, being so big actually covers the whole screen leaving the viewer in the dark... an interesting commentary on how the broader public is prevented from seeing...

I see little difference between that level of justice and this.

This person was intimidated with such a debt and a lawsuit from a whole billionaire  (fraudulently so and that was her whole argument) Institution or I dare say Coorporation, so had no choice but to agree to a total gag and even to a total disassociation from certain amounts of people. This is evidently so unjust, whatever the law may say , that it makes me ill.
One either  laughs or pukes. The sketch in Monty Python, describes with accuracy the abuse, and absurdity of the Justice system, which, evidently in cases like this, is but an instrument for injustice.




Elle
Elle

I don't think lack of integrity on the part of the court was a factor in this. No court or individual judge could protect Debbie Cook more than she was willing to protect herself.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

Oh no I'm not implying anything. What I meant was I hope that when you leave an organization that's corrupt you don't take those self same corrupt actions with you. And if anything is corrupt in Scientology, it's gotta be OSA. 

But I give the guy a ton of credit for actually posting the question. Time was he wouldn't let any even slightly critical comments through. So good on him for that at least.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

I get that, just wishing that when you left some of the ideology (if not the beliefs alltogether) behind, you left it all behind.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

In my opinion, there really isn't much beyond "the light of day" that can be done with any information that he has. Keeping secrets and hiding evidence is what the Church does. Looking for dirt to hold over someone, rather than simply letting the truth out, that's what most of this whole darned thing is about... This is not something that should stay intact through a reformation. 

I could be wrong, maybe there's some cloak and dagger spy stuff that can really make a difference. I just don't see how. That feels like a game to me which makes the people doing it feel more important. Basically it feels like the whole SMERSH idea. A backroom war with the fate of the world on the table. 

But really, it's a few hundred people being mistreated in prison like conditions and a few thousand more having their money sucked away. And the only way to end that is to open the books and show the world what's really going on. 

Jefferson Hawkins
Jefferson Hawkins

Looks like I'm late to the party. I haven't commented as the outcome was fairly predictable and not that interesting to me. Scientology is frantically nailing the barn door shut when the cow has long since left. Debbie's statements are out there and cannot be unsaid.

I don't think Debbie realized that she was holding most of the cards. The Church was panicked that Miscavige could get called to the stand. They were panicked about possible further revelations. So they were desperate to settle and end it. Yet Debbie settled ON THEIR TERMS. The final agreement was written by Church lawyers. There was no quid pro quo, except "we won't sue you." It's a bully's agreement: "shut up and I won't punch you."

Why would Debbie agree? The only thing that makes sense to me is that she is still caught up in the mindf**k. She's still operating from the viewpoint that Scientology is "the only road to total freedom." She's hesitant to "damage the brand" (just as the indies are). The Church can still play on her guilt. She still considers Scientology to be big and important. So her finger falters on the trigger and she's eager - too eager - to make peace.

That's just my opinion and I am sure there are a lot of other factors. But the important thing is that she DID speak out and spill the beans - all the rest of this is just mutual damage control.

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

I have been reading and re-reading the posts. Also, going to Marty's site... he has already posted data on funds received, paid out and the process for refund of donations.. we are not talking about a lot of money here folks... but every dollar given was backed by ten thousand dollars of caring....(if you can measure that sort of thing)....

At this point it is pretty clear to me that there is a high certainty that Debbie was negotiating with the DM/COS through terminals outside of counsel.... no proof, just an intuitive call... I think it likely the Baumgartens will go back to the COS under the strictest of controls and their return will be widely heralded as a rejection of Marty and the Indie gang.

If this actually happens, it will be largely because of Wayne's children still within the walls of the COS but Debbie's credibility is probably lost as long as people remember what happened.

It also seems to me that there are damn few .... if any...exec's left within DM's COS from the era of Ron and the Coup d'etat and subsequent reign of terror.

So the question is... who is left?

What is most annoying is witnessing over and over and over again what a sack of shit our legal/court system is.... and to think that is where many of our congressmen, senators and presidents come from...sort of speaks volumes in itself.

The American courts are not equipped to deal with Hubbard and his Pseudo/Science/Religion.. they will just never get the depth and breadth of it.... they are forever bringing a knife to a gun-fight .... and then usually jailing the victim and not the perpetrator.

Did anyone pre-conceive that had the court action moved forward it is quite possible that Debbie would have been required to undergo Psychiatric Evaluation to determine what effects the 'Hole' had taken on her.  Can you imagine... she may have had a psychotic break just from that... 

And because of the revelations of the language of the injunction and the relevance and constraints that would seem to apply directly to Marty, because he is a Texan, I find that very disturbing that Ray & Debbie would enter into this agreement without even conferring with the very terminal that had so demonstrably supported them.

I do not pretend to know all the details, but this seems to be what is happening.

It is not outside the realm of possibility that this whole action became an opportunity to take yet another wack at Marty and the Indies.... if so, Debbie conspired to enable this to occur.

Admittedly this latter appraisal is largely theory .... but not without plausibility.

Elle
Elle

To people who are not Scientologists and don't have a profound interest in Scientology I think it looks like this: Disgruntled church member circulates some written charges to other parishoners followed by testimony in court. The church sues. She counter sues. Then everybody picks up their marbles and goes home with  the added proviso that Debbie Cook must STFU  AND let the Church control her future utterances as well as her choice of associates for evermore.  The truth of her charges remains unproved. To me this is a win for the Church.Will any of this help other inmates to escape the asylum? That is the question.

sizzle8
sizzle8

Debbie Cook's credibility is shot across the boards.

When she sent out her original email, she claimed that she was a true, loyal Scientologist who just wanted to get the organization 'on policy' and back in the direction that L Ron Hubbard intended.

Her capitulation means that she may never practice her religion again and may never get involved in any attempts to correct it. That's about as opposite as you can get in regards to what is expected of a Scientologist.  In 'technical' terms, she has abandoned her dynamics - she cannot take the necessary actions to improve herself, her group, mankind, etc.  Plus she may never apply "Keeping Scientology Working'. An express train to hell for a true believer.

Ethics Officers will use this to discredit her.  Indy Scientologists already consider her a traitor. Exes never really put a lot of credibility in her -  she oversaw the Lisa McPherson debacle and was involved in crush regging at Flag.

All in all, she will just slink back into the shadows with an alleged pocketful of cash.

Love
Love

 Debbie Cook`s state of mind before singing contracts whit the devil  - can`t be trusted!

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Lest we never forget... Scientology is like;

"A giant vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity" sucking out every soulful thought and dream.

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

yeh... I hear you...regarding the "intends" I cannot comprehend how a "Court" would even allow such a thing to be enforceable.

Maybe the Texas Court expects Debbie to use her OT Powerz to see all possible future outcomes.... at once.

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Has anyone noticed how similar the aged faces of Debbie Cook, Jan Eastgate and Kirstie Alley are?.... it could be the 'Hubbard Effect'.

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Next Day...

Now that I have read the 'Final Judgment'..... (sounds like an Arnold picture).. this is my take.

Total Capitulation by Debbie Cook.

Victory Lap for DM.

Debbie Cook has effectively been "Disappeared".  

(is this judgment enforceable only in the U.S. or anywhere in the world?)

Debbie sent an email and made statements at a 'Hearing' in a small Texas Courtroomand now she is 'boxed in' forever.

The THIRD MOST EFFECTIVE thing to come out of this is the Final Judgement itself...

it is a shockingly dictatorial and totalitarian assault on the most prized and valued of hard won American Freedoms... Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom to Assemble, Freedom to Protest, Freedom of the pursuit of happiness.

(frankly, the language and intent is punitive and highly constrictive... something you may expect from a Corporation .... not a Religion.)

Debbie signed away all of this in front of the whole world.

Why?

Debbie had filed a Counter Suit claim on the COS and DM.... DM would likely have been compelled to appear... (most likely wiggle out of it.. with some more lies)... if I recall correctly Marty and Mike were in the wings to give there own statements... the stadium was packed and the crowds were cheering her cause on... Debbie was a double barreled shotgun with a magazine clip attached with info on the Flag and DM... she just quit, surrendered.

No pursuit of damages for the terrorist tortures she was subjected to....

Debbie is Done... Gone...

note;

For the outside world following this story with shock, confusion and amazement they might be thinking this...

Debbie claims she endured weeks of in-humane tortures... then signs document of 'Silence' just to be released.

Debbie breaks terms of document by writing ONE email that is emailed to her friends within the church... then goes viral.

Debbie is sued... Debbie counter sues.

Debbie drops her suit, COS drops their suit.

Then.... Debbie signs...in front of the whole world ANOTHER document whose terms may be even more draconian and all encompassing than the first document she signed under duress.

Conclusion... Debbie is not credible.

Final Question: Where is Debbie's document for the COS to sign where they are court ordered to cease and refrain from all manner of nefarious and criminal activities and any and all monitoring, investigating, publishing... and so on, which is THEIR stock and trade.

Where is the Document for the COS to sign???

Final Postscript... as has been stated more than a few times on this site, the American Legal system needs to be reformed... it no longer adjudicates the delicate balance of Truth and Justice... it is a punitive, money-takes-all weapon of terror.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

I posted this question at Marty's blog, seeing that other comments have made it through moderation since that time it looks like he's got no interest in addressing it. And no interest in letting other people see he isn't going to address it. So I am posting it here, just because.

Hi, Marty.This is something that’s come up a few times on the Voice comments this week and I’d figure I’d just ask and see what’s going on. A few times, both you and, during this whole cycle, Debbie Cook, made comments to the effect that there were some dark secrets you could bring forward to levy at the Church. To quote a recent post: “I am letting David Miscavige know right here and now that should the slightest twist of truth be published and attributed to the defendants, the gloves will come off – and I will fill the world in on the details of what really went down in technicolor.”

So I have to ask, why wait? If you have this ability, and this information, then why let David Miscavige continue his pretty obvious reign of terror and torture ANY longer? It seems to a lot of us, if you can do anything, and you truly care about your religion and the people being ruined by its current leadership, then you have something of a moral obligation to make this knowledge known.That’s just how I see it. I’d welcome hearing your thoughts on this.

EDIT: He did respond and approved the post so disregard the top bit.

MarkStark
MarkStark

In reading the Tampa Bay and San Antonio Express articles, it occurred to be that the upshot of this -- although it isn't the outcome many of us hoped -- is still pretty special. This from the San Antonio paper:

But the suit became almost a textbook example of how litigation can sometimes backfire after Cook was called to the witness stand for a pre-trial injunction hearing in February and, with a courtroom full of reporters, outlined under oath a history of alleged oddities and abuses by the church.

The allegations included seven weeks of captivity in “The Hole,” where Cook said she slept on the floor, was fed “slop,” was coerced into giving false confessions and was beaten...-------Unfortunately, I honestly don't know if the public can follow this, unless they are like us, Scientology watchers. The major media, however, could conceivably use this in their next shows about Scientology. It fits in with a theme, that celebrities are oblivious to the activities within their own "Church." Potential recruits never hear about this side of Scientology. Even though the back-story is complicated -- being Scientology -- Debbie Cook's story is relatively simple and rather shocking.

A true believer and super high producer for the cult, is first imprisoned and humiliated (for no reason the cult will speak about), and then held to this creepy NDA after she writes this letter about  what most people would regard as fairly mild but valid complaints regarding policy issues and mismanagement.

The leader of the cult, a high school dropout, goes after Debbie with his legal team, to go after the $50,000 they paid Debbie in what what appeared to be legally engineered as "hush" money, and he would like to crush her. But he ends up backing down and settling, when he realizes, duh, he might get dragged into court.

It's a story of the sharp contrasts at the top of Scientology. The facade of shiny success and successful, devoted celebrities, and the fact they imprison and torture their own executives in the pursuit of maintaining this facade. They even make people disappear like Shelly Miscavige and Heber J.

Where are these things going to collide? I think it will be the opening of Super Power. It will be a version of Frankenstein's monster. Instead of reanimating the cult, bringing it new life, it will roam the countryside killing people with laughter.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

So how long do they have to take down those anti-Debi webpages they've got running?

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

Crap, he did remove one comment that I posted after he accused me of apparently just wanting stuff to gorge on: 

"It’s not about gorgeing. It’s not about a tabloid need for information to pour over.I am asking because there are people who are currently held prisoner. There are people who are currently having their finances drained and their lives ruined. And you’ve left an impression that you have the information and evidence that could save these people.Why are you not using it? That’s the reason."

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I hope you don't mean finished with commenting here? I enjoy your posts.

Chocolate Velvet
Chocolate Velvet

I've seen this video before. It gave me goosebumps. It was great to watch again Jamie does a brilliant job telling the story of his family, and the red hair is a bit of a mind-fuck. Thanks for sharing this. I hope everyone checks it out.

Are_sics
Are_sics

Finished with....?  This blog? The critics? Elron?

I've seen that performance before.  I think it's pretty damned impressive. I've shared with several people who just shrugged. But... maybe a more receptive audience here. (Only one example of what I think is the reason -- I found the ending particularly powerful, but if you don't know Elron's, um, relationship with psychiatry, that'll be missed). Fantastic performance. Thanks to you and your daughter both for the reminder to watch it again.

anne
anne

 Exactament!

Victoriapandora
Victoriapandora

It's easy for people never caught up in this to believe it's all about the money. You know it isn't, many others know it isn't. I have no way of finding out what all the settlement involved was about. I sorta wish she'd been paid a couple of million to shut up. I also understand how she could consider saying nothing more being the greatest good. I don't agree, but that took me years. I wasn't in as long as she was, and in scn. terms she may as well have left yesterday.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

Thank you Jeff. I think you are right. This makes a lot of sense to me.

Her biggest weakness was her position. It was her position to hold and no one could tell her otherwise, but, that was a point of weakness.

Had she been out, ALL THE WAY (which she was not prepared to be and no amount of force would get her there), then she would no longer be playing by their rules. Oddly, when one walks across the street and joins the rest of humanity, the Church of Scientology becomes very small.

There are others who have signed similar agreements to hers, who have given it no credence at all, and the church has done nothing because, really, they don't have as much of a leg to stand on as she was willing to agree that they did. When she agreed, so did everyone else including, apparently, her lawyer and the court.

Yes, this is my opinion but it is also an observation. She got trapped because she agreed to be.

Now that I am no longer immensely disappointed and frustrated, I feel a huge sense of empathy for her because though I sincerely feel that I would never have signed that agreement, there must have been such an enormous pressure to bear on this woman that she is now broken. How could I ever be happy about that? My heart bleeds.

Last night I had trouble sleeping because I felt a tremendous loss and sense of sorrow -- not because DM's feet are no longer being put to the fire -- not because justice was not served (though that is rough to take) but simply because (and if this sounds airy fairy, it's not intended to be) we are all, somehow, connected and it hurts to the core of my being to watch another human being (connected to me and to all of us) agree to be in bondage.

A piece of me is less free somehow as it aches to observe and vicariously experience that surrender, as it is wholly and completely unfair and the exact opposite of what she had hoped to achieve or what anyone should have to endure. It is simply barbaric.

Next time around I will most likely sit back and wait to comment as in the end, the only thing that really matters, is love -- no matter what. Truthfully, though it may not have appeared so, my reaction was really out of love all along and my guess is that, no matter what reactions people are having, most are having them out of love somehow too.

This is a complicated emotional issue to untangle.

Victoriapandora
Victoriapandora

"What is most annoying is witnessing over and over and over again what a sack of shit our legal/court system is.... and to think that is where many of our congressmen, senators and presidents come from...sort of speaks volumes in itself."

Thank-you for saving me typing that out. It is the truth of the matter.

bobx
bobx

You were giving me the image of the face-grabber in Alien, and you know the follow-up.I think we just saw it bust out the chest of poor Debbie.

katialeitao2004
katialeitao2004

 When I withdrew, I was inflated, bloated exactly like that too. It was the suppression. It was so extraordinary and so viciously entangled with real scientology that I was trying to understand it. In doing so I puffed up with the tension. There was this current as I stood amongst tonnes of paradoxes...and what held me in place was precisely my idea of loyalty to the real Scn. It was only when I decided that enough was enough and that however honest, the role of RTC was not my own, that I begun to step back, with a clean conscience, without fear of the unspoken intimidation, and that I , slowly begun to deflate and look more normal. I had no neckline. I felt swollen everywhere. I was monstrous and looked much older. People notice d it and now give me ten years less than my actual age....
So it is really curious you noticed that. That, is the look of a person under the kind of pressure that system gives you.


MarkStark
MarkStark

I guess Debbie is not credible as far as being a determined crusader who will reform her cult, at any personal cost to herself, but I think it is more a matter of her being ill, exhausted, broken and afraid. I think she was credible as far as the most important part of her story, just getting it out and on court record that she was imprisoned and tortured. She was shuttered into silence, but not before she made some real noise.

When Debbie sent the email, she may have been under the influence of her Scientology background, thinking that this was going to cause reform, because she was applying her "postulates" or whatever.

The support she received, even from outsiders, and some critics, gave her the confidence to speak in court as she did but she was feeling she had nothing to lose. Maybe she even thought people who looked up to her in the cult would walk out in support of her, knowing that she had been imprisoned and tortured. A few have, and more probably will, even with this outcome.

At the same time, can you imagine what she must have felt when she probably went through the Haggis realization and experience of having people she thought were her best friends turn on her? Haggis at least had a profession and non-Scilon colleagues that were there to treat him the same as always, but Debbie's whole world was this cult and its adherents, including many of her business clients.

We've read of or know of people who are humiliated or imprisoned, and just beg to get back in the cult. I'm hoping Debbie doesn't do that, perhaps because the magnitude of what she did will not allow for it. Although she can't initiate any legal actions, she can still be called in to testify. They can't stop her from doing that.

Scientology is not the cult of clear and super powers. It is the cult of greed, power, the placebo effect quackery and celebrities. Debbie crashed headlong into the wall at the edge of the Truman Show.

As far as Debbie getting shuddered into silence, there wasn't much of a chance of her becoming a Tory Magoo anyway. That is, a determined crusader who speaks up for herself and others with compassion, sympathy, and understanding.

With Marty, we kind of assume he might know more, but it implicates himself too much. Maybe for Debbie it was the same? At least with Marty, I'm sure he knows more about Tom Cruise, from that period where he was called into to recover him. As far as Debbie having her barrels loaded with damning information about DM? I'm not sure she did.

Victoriapandora
Victoriapandora

You know I was considering getting out of this. It's become consuming. But this is a pretty awesome group, and I would miss it. Thank-you!

Victoriapandora
Victoriapandora

Probably the entire subject is mysterious to my daughter. I am not sure why it freaked me out when she pointed me to this video. I am just weird:)  I want to be finished with giving a shit, but that never works out anyway, ha!

Jenny
Jenny

Hi Synthia,

Late to this news I have read all of your comments on this installment with bobble-head nodding.

Please don't regret any of your comments as they were natural and record a very honest reaction to the news - you have expressed my own sentiments precisely and eloquently. 

From your last post I have pulled the following that have really resonated with me: "we are all, somehow, connected and it hurts to the core of my being to watch another human being (connected to me and to all of us) agree to be in bondage."

As a person with NO Scientology contacts or history this explains to me why I find this experience of Scientology  so compelling - clearly the vast majority of the world's population don't care less about the cult, L Ron Hubbard and Miscavage - leading to the other sentiment that I loved earlier in your post:

"Oddly, when one walks across the street and joins the rest of humanity, the Church of Scientology becomes very small."

So the issue is at once compelling yet in the scheme of things, insignificant.

Thank you for giving words to my feelings.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Thank you! My feelings have been pretty much the same as what you have stated. If you look back at most of my posts concerning Debbie you'll see I was a big supporter of her. I too lashed out at her because as weird as it might seem, I saw her as a savior, a hero who could finally take David Miscavige down and free the people who are trapped.

I guess my expectations were to much and the let down pissed me off like I had been deceived. I know...it doesn't make sense does it? You know what they say about looking into the abyss, right? LOL!

Anyway, I wish no ill will toward them. Debbie did take Miscavige to his knees and the he knows it. Next!

sizzle8
sizzle8

 I like what you said.  There's a lot of truth in it.As for me, disappointed - yes.  Give up - no.

Jgg
Jgg

  What does it say about an organization when its top people over the past 20-30 years (Rinder, Rathbun, the Headleys, Cook) are all liars?  When its mother-effing most loyal celebrity (Jason Beghe) now calls it a scam?  When there is an expose like Janet Reitman's and the only factual error they can find is that, in one instance, she got the year of Hubbard's death wrong (she said 1985 instead of 1986)?  When its online defenders can't identify one way in which Scientology has helped them?

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

I said this earlier in the thread-- I think alot of us, myself completely included, were hoping that the same fervor that drives church members to follow protesters on foot for miles to their door steps and shout obscenities for hours on end, would be turned inward. 

And I think it could have. I think we were all looking 10 steps down the road while ignoring how god damn frightening the church is and how, once you've gotten out the prospect of going up against it again is probably chilling. On that part I'll give Marty his due, he's standing his ground against one of the most frightening organizations in America. And I can't really fault Debbie for backing down. I wish she hadn't. I wish her convictions would push her through but-- man. Oh well. Hope she gets some peace. Though I also hope she can make amends to the people she sucked cash out of while serving the beast too. But that's another argument all together. 

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Nice review and appraisal. Thanks.

Debbie remains a Hubbardite, but she cannot walk with the independents.Where is she to go? .... back to the COS and DM?

Tory is great fun and makes sense too... but she was not an Exec on the level of Marty, Mike and Debbie... so DM likely regards her as a nattery fringe element... not someone to apply his attention to....(no disrespect intended Tory).

It is pretty much a dead-certainty that Debbie has not read any of the material exposing the true history of Hubbard and his family and all the other people and events that the COS scurries to bury and 'seal the vault' on. 

One path that has not been considered is that a "Deal" was made that the COS would let her back "In".... if she signed the document... again.

Could be another story of a heroin addict going back to the 'Monkey'....

Is there a Narconon to get people off Satanology?

sharkattacksteve
sharkattacksteve

I read it and he's either blowing you off because you're a wog or he's too thick to understand what you were getting at.

Someone should just say " hey Marty do you know were the "bodies" are buried at ? And if so why don't you and Rinder go to the cops and take this son of a bitch out right now ?"

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

 Thank you. I am grateful to hear the perspective of someone who has never been in and your view is fascinating. I so appreciate your understanding on my initial reaction.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Thanks. A quote I won't forget.

"Oddly, when one walks across the street and joins the rest of humanity, the Church of Scientology becomes very small."

--Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

bobx
bobx

.01% would be 15.8 words, but .0001% would be .158 words.  If there was a seven-letter word in which one letter was true, that would be .142857 word, but since it was "far less" than .0001% true, evidently it was a word "far" longer than seven letters long, in which only one letter was true.

Jgg
Jgg

15.8 words.  Let's see. "Scientology is known for its high profile celebrities such as Tom Cruise and John Travolta."  If those 15 words are true, everything else (Miscavige replaced Hubbard, IRS gave them tax-exempt status) is false.  hmmmmm  

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Ms. Poo is so pathetic... that was the same line I remember hearing about 25 years ago.. hell you don't even need people because it is just Ron talking anyhow.... oh yeah, you want their money and their labor.... oops.

MarkStark
MarkStark

For the record, here was Pouw's statement to NPR concerning Reitman's book: ---------Claims by Reitman to have engaged in “serious” or “extensive” research for her book are disingenuous. Of the 158,000 words printed, far less than .0001% could be found to be true.---------That works out to less than one word of her book was true. I  wonder what word was partly true?

.01% true would be 15.8 words true. Remember when you take a percentage, you shift the decimal place two places to the left. Okay, I guess it is easy to make a mistake with 4th grade math or whatever, but if Pouw-Pouw claimed Reitman's book was 1% true wouldn't that be... forget "disingenuous," it would be an incredibly stupid lie. They compound stupidity exponentially. They are L. Ron Hubbard 4 quadrillion year DC8 stupid. But hey, they've got a good legal team and a good scam going, right? Lying works, and it fools people.

sharkattacksteve
sharkattacksteve

They either did it for the money or to get back in the good graces of D.M. Was Debbie even officially declared an S.P ?

Someone on ESMB who claims to know them said Wayne was saying as recently as 2 weeks ago he wished he'd never left the S.O .

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

I think he was legitimately confused at first, thinking I was asking him to explain what he knew about the Debbie Cook case that the settlement wouldn't allow him to say. And it was my fault for using a quote from that post as an example-- That being said once I clarified he still wasn't interested-- So. Yeah I'm still confused as to why he won't pull the trigger if there is indeed a trigger to be pulled. 

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