The Best Reasons Why You Should Doubt the Allegations in the John Travolta Sex-Assault Lawsuit (UPDATE: John Doe #1 DROPPED)

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From Travolta's website [Photo: John Russo]
Well, we hate to tell you we told you so but, WE TOLD YOU SO: John Doe #1 has been dropped by Okorocha, RadarOnline is reporting. See details below.

Monday evening, we wrote that the sex-abuse lawsuit filed against John Travolta read like something someone had imagined in a dream. The account by "John Doe" that was described in the lawsuit's complaint stretched credulity beyond the breaking point, and was one of the sloppiest jobs of lawyering that we've seen in a long time. And that was before evidence began emerging that Travolta wasn't even in Los Angeles on January 16, the day he was supposed to have groped the massage therapist suing him.

Since then, some news outlets have generally ignored the facts in this case and instead have used this as an opportunity to revisit the years of rumors about Travolta and his sexuality.

As we said from the start, we really don't care about Travolta's bedroom habits. And while we'd like to see Travolta get away from the abusive and notoriously homophobic Church of Scientology, this lawsuit seems to have little to do with his involvement in David Miscavige's church.

No, despite the many distractions this week that have resulted, naturally, from such a salacious story, we're still focused on the lawsuit itself. And after talking to our resident legal expert, Scott Pilutik, we have even more reason to believe that "John Doe" attorney Okorie Okorocha may be in for a world of hurt when this thing is said and done.

I've been communicating all week with Pilutik -- who has counseled us for numerous stories in our beat covering Scientology -- and we've both been doing our best to keep up with the latest developments.

After news of the John Doe lawsuit broke on Monday, most news organizations were extremely squeamish about the details, which were too salacious for many to print or mention on the air. That was unfortunate, because those details are important and telling -- and they are extremely hard to believe. Here at the Voice, we said that Doe's story sounded like a dream or a Fellini film. The Smoking Gun said the complaint read like the worst sort of fan fiction. We each found that what Doe claimed Travolta had told him sounded like what a fan might fantasize that a star like Travolta might say.

The next day, Okorocha sloppily added a second unnamed plaintiff, John Doe #2, and Travolta's attorney Marty Singer scoffed, saying that Okorocha was obviously reacting to how badly his original complaint had gone over in the media.

We noted that in the amended complaint, John Doe #2's tale of a rubdown in an Atlanta hotel had one significant problem: not much really happened in the way of "assault." Travolta was said to have engaged in some pretty rude behavior, but abuse worth $2 million in damages? We had to agree with Singer (and we rarely ever do that) -- this did come off like Okorocha was simply trying to bolster what had turned out to be a very problematic original complaint.

(Yesterday, news of a third unhappy massage therapist emerged, but he is not part of the lawsuit Okorocha filed as of yet.)

I asked Pilutik about the original complaint and the added plaintiff. Here's what he sent over.

I agree with you that it reads almost like slash fiction -- someone's wishful thinking about what a sexual encounter with Travolta would be like. And since the narrative is so similar to long-told rumors, there's an air of plausibility to them (to anyone who has heard and believed those rumors, that is). But plausibility doesn't equal credibility, and in that respect the complaint is sorely lacking.

Some problems with the complaint aren't hard to spot to even a casual reader -- misspelled words, grammatical errors, sloppiness suggesting it hadn't been read before being sent to the printer.

But what really elevated the complaint to an Orly-Taitz-level of awful was what happened when Okorocha added John Doe #2. The stories by the two John Does differ from the other, meaning that even if their stories are presumed to be true, their causes of actions should likewise differ.

But the complaint doesn't differentiate them in the cause of action section -- Okorocha simply adds "and Doe Plaintiff No. 2" after every instance of "Doe Plaintiff No. 1." The upshot to this slipshod drafting is that per the literal language of the Amended Complaint, John Doe #1 is making allegations on behalf of John Doe #2, and vice versa, each one affirming the truth of the other's story (which is logically impossible), as well as their own. I know this probably sounds like an overly legalistic observation, but the court will likely view it as a fatal error. I mean, it's the type of egregiously lazy mistake few law students would even make.

And why are these plaintiffs co-plaintiffs at all? Is Okorocha seeking to certify a class action comprised of Masseurs Who Have Suffered Identical Torts Committed By John Travolta? Good luck with that. Each Doe should probably have his own complaint.

The more obvious problem, though, is that the stories, as told, just don't make a lot of sense. Perhaps it's in the telling, but you can't help but wonder why each plaintiff stayed around so long as Travolta acted as they say he did. Doe #1 alleges spending two hours with Travolta during which time he suffered five actionable torts (at the beginning, middle, and end of the massage), and Doe #2 alleges massaging Travolta until only 15 minutes remained in the session (the Amended Complaint neglects to allege how long the session was supposed to have been).

Not that our John Does are likely to get a chance to explain away these time line inconsistencies. If it's demonstrably true that Travolta was in Tribeca on the date John Doe #1 alleges he was in Los Angeles, this joyride is going to be over pretty soon. And after that, I have little doubt that Travolta's attorney won't make good on his promise to crush Okorocha and his Does with suits for malicious prosecution and whatever else. After all, this was very widely reported, and most of the coverage wasn't nearly as skeptical as the Voice. Travolta should be able to buy a massage school when he's through with Okorocha.

Yesterday, another sad chapter in this farce emerged when Okorocha, for some bizarre reason, allowed his original client, John Doe #1, to make a public statement that leaves little doubt that he's more loon than victim.

I'm going to include it here in its entirety, admitted into the court of public opinion as Exhibit A proving, we believe, that John Doe #1 not only dreamed his encounter with Travolta, but that he has not yet awakened from his stupor...

As the unidentified masseur in the John Travolta case I have an opinion that I wanted to share. I don't think anyone should form any opinion about Mr. Travolta, his family, his council, myself, John Doe #2, and our counsel.

Instead, I would urge everyone to understand that guilt or innocence in our Justice System is decided by our court system. Too often these matters are decided by swaying public opinion through elements that would never be considered in an actual court case.

For instance, a photograph, a restaurant receipt, testimony, and other things that may or may not constitute proof have strict guidelines that must be followed. A fine example is the amazing number of guilty people that escape their crimes due to the mishandling of evidence. Is it disappointing, of course it is, but it is a price we must pay in order to have a justice system that runs in a constitutional manner.

In consideration of that, I ask the public to not judge anyone, and allow all parties to work things out in a respectful and dignified manner, and if these matters do go to court than only that final decision past appeals, etc should be considered a definitive statement on 'guilt' or 'innocence'.

Despite the circus that celebrity matters seem to spiral into, we should grant all parties involved a wait-and-see attitude, and wait for either the official decision of a judge and jury, or the possibility of a dignified discussion between people who are not pit bulls, or aces, or anything, but are actually officers of the court (lawyers) who have sworn an oath to protect the justice system from losing its blind lady of justice with scales and replacing her with the days of Salem Witch Hunts.

Even though Mr. Travolta and his counsel are on opposing sides in this matter, I do wish them good health, happiness, and want them to be judged with absolute fairness as our great nation affords all citizens regardless of their wealth or station.

In closing, I want everyone to understand the reason for my statement is not to comment on the case, but to merely remind the world that everyone involved is a human-being we all fall short of the glory, but we all have rights granted by the sacrifices of our forefathers, and in that spirit I ask everyone to not make comedy, or light of this serious matter, and lets all thank god we have the right to even deal with matters like this in a organized and fair system without allowing this to become a circus.

And now, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, our summation...

This lawsuit should never have passed the smell test with any news organization, and its transparent weakness should have been the story, rather than a salacious romp through Travolta's past.


UPDATE: John Doe #1 has been dropped by Okorocha! That's the stunning development just reported by RadarOnline.

There's no news specifically about the fate of the lawsuit in that story, but at this point, Okorocha doesn't have much left if he's booted the prime claimaint. (As we've pointed out before, John Doe #2 just doesn't have much in the way of actionable behavior by Travolta, if his story is true.) More details when we get them.

At this point, news organizations tend to reporting this as if there were three equal claimants, and one has simply dropped out. When are they going to get more honest about the situation -- this lawsuit was built on the claims of John Doe #1, with John Doe #2 thrown in as a sort of "me too," as our legal expert pointed out. (The third man isn't even in the lawsuit at all.)

With John Doe #1 dropped by Okorocha, this case should disintegrate quickly. We're waiting to hear from Pilutik for his thoughts on how it could proceed at all.


NEW: Here's Scott's grim projections for where Okorocha can go from here...

Well, Doe #2 shouldn't be adversely affected by Doe #1 although he'll continue to be adversely affected by Okorocha.

The problem for Doe #2 is that per the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, you only get to amend a complaint once as a matter of course (which has already happened); if he wants to amend again he'll need Travolta's attorneys' consent (good luck there!) or the court's leave, "when justice so requires."

If the court permits Okorocha to amend a second time, it'd be because Doe #2 would be otherwise prejudiced, since, well, he was the reason for the first amendment. Remember what I said how this should've been multiple complaints? Maybe Okorocha was trying to save money (federal court filing fees are pricier than the state equivalents) but the decision to add him as a plaintiff as if this was a class action (it's not) put Doe #2 (and all future Does) in a spot.

So it seems likely that the first time a judge is presented with this mess, it'll be for the purpose of getting Okorocha out of an easily preventable, self-imposed jam with his client, Doe #2. And the court will take a dim view of his case before even reading a single allegation.

And Okorocha may face additional storm clouds for blaming Doe #1 for getting the date wrong--an attorney has a duty to conduct a reasonable inquiry into the claims his client makes in papers presented to the court (FRCP 11(b)), and that "factual contentions have evidentiary support." Doe #1's story is so unusual, inflammatory, and potentially damaging that one could argue that Okorocha's duty to investigate was especially high here. And to get such a vital element as the date of the incident wrong... I mean, Doe #1 was in a line of work that absolutely necessitated an appointment book of some sort--did Okorocha even ask to see it?

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Scientology on the High Seas

In November the Voice obtained hundreds of copies of L. Ron Hubbard's previously unpublished "Orders of the Day," which he gave to crew members as he sailed the Atlantic and the Mediterranean on the yacht Apollo. Our documents cover the period from late 1968 through 1971, and this time we're looking at what was happening the week of May 6 through 12 during those years.

This week, the Commodore reports a miracle...


1969

May 12: No one works harder than the Commodore, and don't you forget it.

DAILY REPORTS

Thank you very much for your daily report. I am glad to see so many outnesses being corrected.

Delwyn did a beautiful job on the horde of international press that descended on us. Was able to tell them (they were really startled) that the D/Prime Minister of Greece had apologized and wanted to see us when we came back. She had the story ready and it's a story they'll print as it has a big name in it. We have four witnesses that he did. Evidently they've been searching the Med for Apollo. The local press, contrary to rumour, is said now not to have been bad. So that blows our cover (at this port) from here to China.

We hear that the US is not backing any attempt to free Cuba and has advised other Latin countries not to give the Cuban govt in Exile any base.

Diana arrived safely. Athena isn't leaving her port at once.

Due to blown security you can approach embassies for passports.

My daily report is usually 12 to 14 hours of work in the Research Room and heavy study currently after I "go to bed". I spend about an hour to an hour and a half at dinner as my time off. I'm doing C/S, reports, despatches, planning and catching outnesses that are likely to knock us down. Had I less on my plate I could get going on our next programme.

...

LRH, COMMODORE


1970

May 10: Hey, hold the persecution, it's time for a party!

ETHICS

Comm Evs, Ethics actions and Conditions in progress aboard are cancelled in appreciation of the 20th Anniversary of Dianetics and as a thank you for your support.

This happy occasion should not be marred.

The Anniversary Party and the program and applause were appreciated.

We will make it.

LRH, COMMMODORE
10/5/70

Congratulations to the Commodore and 20 years of fantastic success with Dianetics and Scientology. We all love it! Thank you sir.

From the D/Capt,
Officers and Crew
of the Flag Ship


1971

May 7: Is it just me, or does the Commodore sound nervous?

UK ENQUIRY

The "Findings" of this enquiry have been handed over to Sir Joseph in House of Lords.

This means very early publication.

Past signs are that they will not be viciously unfavorable.

We are busy working to handle any possible repercussion.

If these "findings" (based on no investigation whatever) are unfavorable, we could get a port reaction. So be alert.

It may be a week or so yet before they hit the UK press.

This cycle is far from conclusive. We made a last minute breakthrough on the WHO that began all this and keeps busy hounding us. This breakthrough puts the initiative in our hands.

Instead of trying to find out WHO has been hitting Scientology we now find we are moved right over, on target, of WHO is responsible for East-West upsets and the atomic war threats and the economic crises.

Whatever the UK "enquiry" says, the end of the war is well in view.

...

LRH, COMMODORE


May 8: Nazis and banking -- it's a slippery slope!

MONETARY CRISIS

The nitty-gritty of the West German raid on the dollar is to be found in a proposal to form a World Central Bank that "adjusts all the worlds currency."

This is about the most cold-blooded effort at world domination I've ever seen. A country that surrenders its currency surrenders its sovereignty.

It was Nazi banking expertise that saved the Third Reich and opened the door to WW II. What we DON'T need is Nazi control of all nations.

Along with that goes psychiatric control, gas chambers, obliterated "impure" minority groups.

Heil Hitler.

For the sake of German Scientologists of which there are now many, and the rest of the world, the new Nazi resurgence must end before it winds up in another blood bath.

FB

The FB including CS-G did a splendid fast job on the program to beef things up in event of a hostile UK "Enquiry" finding release.

Some Enquiry! Never called on us to testify on anything. Its secretary, Miss Lee, was a member of Smersh!

Correction: Sir Joseph is the Minister of Social Services. He has it now. When the cabinet okays it maybe it will be out.

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LRH, COMMODORE

May 10: I'd like to know where that key is today...

MAY 9

The FB, the FAO and FSO presented me with an enormous KEY TO THE PLANET to celebrate 9 May, the 21st Anniversary of the publication of "Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health."

THANK YOU!

A party was proposed but was considered too little notice and everyone too rushed.

The presentation was appreciated.

These fantastic stats also came up on 9 May.

It was quite an anniversary.

...

LRH, COMMODORE


May 12: You have to wonder if Mr. Miscavige heard about this particular miracle...

ENQUIRY

Relax. Word is it won't be out for 2 or 3 months "as the govt has to study it". I don't imagine they want to release it at all. Other rumour is it's just a rehash of our literature on what Scientology is. However this gives us time to rig a real counter blast. (And we've got it to rig.) Or cool it totally.

RHODESIA

The anti-Scn bill in Rhodesia hit a heavy snag due to our attorney, the legal office of the government chopping down on their parliament saying its unconstitutional. The name of a notorious anti-govt psychiatrist appeared and got the govt legal dept antagonistic.

Also, I had excellent PR in Rhodesia when I was there and they're still trying to explain their actions.

The Guardian Office Africa and all concerned did a fine job there. It's all held off indefinitely.

...

MIRACLE

A pc yesterday reports she grew 2 to 3 inches taller in session. Went in at one height, came out taller. Fascinating.

...

PARTY

The shore party for traders was reported to be a smashing success. Even the Shell Agent was friendly and apologetic for his flap.

Amanda Ambrose was a hit. Who wouldn't be delighted with her singing. Her contribution was appreciated.

So it all went off very well indeed.

...

LRH, COMMODORE



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Bonus 1970s Awesomeness

While L. Ron Hubbard was moving HQ from the yacht Apollo to the Florida coast, Advance! magazine was thrilling Scientologists with its tales of "OT Phenomena." Those church members who had reached the higher levels of spiritual training shared their stories of superhuman powers with fellow dupes -- er, enthusiasts. This excerpt is from Issue 32, June 1975.


I was on a business trip. The rain was pouring down by the bucketful. I stepped out of my car on the protected lot, but I had to cross the street to get into the building on the other side. Not wanting to get wet, I mocked up a force field to stop the rain. Slowly the rain came to a halt and I was able to cross the street comfortably. -- Peter F. Gruning, OT


Being a Scientologist and OT actually saved my life Thanksgiving Day 28 November 1974.

Here's what happened.

I was driving to the home of Randy and Jeanene Knight who had invited me there for dinner. The route I took was the Harbor Freeway. Around the vicinity of 111th Street I felt (theta wise) that there was a guy who had a gun pointed at me and had intentions to shoot me in the head. I looked at this and acknowledged him first, and found that I had better just be him and decide not to shoot the guy in the car (who was me). This was all done in a second or two.

I thought nothing further of it until today when I saw a headline of the Herald Examiner which said, "Girl Critically Shot in Freeway Sniping." Did I take notice of that paper! Sure enough, it was done on the Harbor Freeway around 111th Street just a little later in time than the experience I had.

I should have treated the situation by handling that guy's evil intentions, but I'll know next time to validate my knowingness more so and thereby assume more responsibility. -- Jim Bostrom, OT


Alas, Mr. Bostrom's affinity for the church didn't last. I see several online references to him as a former member turned critic who was raided in 1990 or so. Anyone know what came of him?

We'll have another post for Sunday -- this week's funnies are a hoot, and you don't want to miss them. And remember to check our Facebook author page for schedules and updates you won't see on the blog.



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Tony Ortega has been the editor in chief of the Village Voice since March, 2007. He started writing about Scientology in 1995. You can reach him by e-mail at tortega@villagevoice.com, and if you ask nicely he'll put you on his mailing list for notifications of new stories. You can also catch his alerts at Twitter (@VoiceTonyO), at his Facebook author page, on Pinterest, a Tumblr, and even this new Google Plus doohickey.

New readers might want to check out our primer, "What is Scientology?" Another good overview is our series from last summer, "Top 25 People Crippling Scientology." At the top of every story, you'll see the "Scientology" category which, if you click on it, will bring up all of our most recent stories.

As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and was sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.

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191 comments
MassMom
MassMom

What I find interesting is that complaint for John Doe #2 is going forward behind closed doors. Interesting in the fact that this decision does nothing to dispel the rumors or discourage all future people looking to extort money. Michael Jackson settled for something in the range of $20M to Jordie Chandler 20+ years ago to end any more conversation about child molesting. That opened the door to other accusers, and he was never able to shake the reputation. I'm really surprised John Travolta and his attorney either requested or agreed to any discussion or agreement being done privately.

Too Much
Too Much

Ha! Bad lawyering? Orly-Tawtts? Yes, very much so, but you have not seen anythng until you've seen Helena Kobrin (missing,presumed shoved in a hole that does not exist) warming up her typewriter.

Kobrin was the lowest of the dumb bunnies in the festering crime lab that included Kendrick "Unindicted co-conspirator and Dad Of The Year Award Winner" Moxon, Ave Paraquete, Shitbag Rosen, and Eliot "Gambino Prostitution and Porn King" Abelson.

The insane cunt got her face slapped by a Judge with a fine imposed because she kept alleging RICO predicate acts in the failed Fair Game racketeering cases she continually brought against human rights advocates and critics of the crime syndicate she worked for. Her crimes against the court even made it in to standard texts utilized by law students that cover how to commit actionable lawyering as a guide to avoid such stupidity.

This Okorocha shitbag certainly sounds like a Republican-brained idiot that's going to get some major ass reaming by any number of Judges coming up shortly, but Okorocha is still not yet ready to attest to Kobrin's level of fuckingness.

Gangster Bolshevic
Gangster Bolshevic

Tony O is Il ragno at www.thephora.net , it's an anti-semitic racist "free speech" forum that's on the SPLC watch list.  Just to let you know......  He's a moderator there, which means he's in a position of high power.  Tony O, you've been outted, 8:19!!

Strelnikov
Strelnikov

All I can say about this lawsuit is it doesn't change anything in the World of Scientology; the "church" is still slowly imploding, people are leaving, buildings bought years ago for Ideal Orgs are still rotting away unused, the Superpower building is still un-done, etc.

If this case claimed that Tom Cruise, David Miscavige, and John Travolta forced the masseur into group sex, then we have something that could be turned into a propaganda tool. But that's not happening.

I don't care about Travolta's private life, I hope he can get away from Scientology (though I have heard that he is barely involved with it right now) because it's a waste of time.

sharkattacksteve
sharkattacksteve

Exposing yourself to strangers and grabbing their genitals hardly qualifies as private life. And I think the second most famous sceintologist in the world being humiliated in public might qualify as a useful propaganda tool.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

I disagree, Tom Cruise proved that there is nothing more useful as a propaganda tool than just acting on their beliefs and professing their backwards ideology to the masses live on television. 

Also the word "glib" helps. 

sharkattacksteve
sharkattacksteve

" A former male massage therapist at Manhattan's Peninsula Hotel claims that John Travolta was blacklisted for three years from the hotel's spa for lewd conduct with masseurs."

Whoopee ! The party ain't over yet !

Jgg
Jgg

  Maybe.  If he was, there would be documentation of the incidents, letters to JT informing him of the blacklist, and so on.  We are getting tired of quack claims.

hgc
hgc

I have no idea if this Peninsula Hotel thing is true or not. But, if it's true, it's much more likely that the hotel would NOT document it, unless employees carelessly discussed it in internal emails. 

California
California

Tony, I get that you are interested in standing up for responsible journalism and are doing so AND that the legal matters attendant to the multiple problems with these lawsuit(s) are very engaging to some but I am really most interested in how this whole lawsuit(s) relate(s) in terms of an acknowledged Scientologist married to an acknowledged Scientologist in light of the very well documented Scientology's homophobic beliefs and behaviors.  

John Travolta for decades has been discussed in the media as possibly being bi-sexual or homosexual, with accusations such as those we have been discussing for a very long week.  Whatever floats his boat (straight or otherwise) is fine with me but if he is bi- or gay, I wonder at what point will he examine his allegiance to Scientology. 

Like many of us here in California and especially given his occupation, he has colleagues, neighbors and friends in the GLBT community.And given that Obama on May 8th declared that his personal choice was for same-sex marriages, many closeted and not-so-closeted GLBT who are also in religious homophobic organizations are now again given the opportunity to review their own attachments to those organizations. Including Scientologists and Scientology.As of today, May 11th, not even the Pope has come out against Obama's declaration of his personal choice in the matter of same-sex marriage.Times they are a-changing.

Rainez024
Rainez024

Irregardless of whether these particular alligations are true or not, surely John is involved in some very 'interesting' activities simply by being a member of Scientology. How quickly we forget he literally killed his son, and now we think he DOESN'T do gay acts?! Please...

hgc
hgc

It's not just the alligations ,but the crocusations too!

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

How are those two connected? Also how is being interested in men the same as accosting massage therapists? 

Rainez024
Rainez024

There is nothing wrong with being gay - it doesn't matter what your sexual preference is, who cares. There is something wrong with 1) being a part of and going along with and giving your support to a satanic, criminal, terrorist organization a la Scientology, whether you 'know' what's going on or not and 2) forcing sexual acts, gay or not, onto perople that don't want it. And this kind of activity could be a SAFE bet with John Travolta, given 1) He is a Scientologist, which means he's under mind control and  2) he has his own son's blood on his hands, which he has yet to answer for properly. Draw your own conclusions. It's no secret he is a gay, it is a secret that he lives a very different life than his adoring public would like to believe, that's for goddamn sure.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

So you're just going to ignore the question. That's nice.

Also if "master occultist" is a pudgy fellow who convinced Parsons to let him boink his girlfriend and run off with some money, then I just don't understand what either of those words really means.

Anyway, I'd like to point you to the article on Running Scared about Hugh Urban from earlier this year. It shows pretty dang clearly that Hubbard canabalised Crowley's work, he didn't grow his religion out of it, he just stole bits and bobs like he was at a Pull a' Part lot and needed some parts for his Camry.

Scientology does not worship Satan, it does not advocate any of the mysticism or beliefs of Satanism. It just stole some wording early on.

Rainez024
Rainez024

Good luck to you. Would suggest a little more study my friend, you're way behind.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

Simply because it's bullshit stolen from a bunch of different religions doesn't make it Satanic. Islam grew directly from  It has none of the tenants of Satanism, it clearly doesn't allow for same sort of free thought "do anything" that Satanism pushes. For example, Islam grew from the same Abrahamic tradition as Judiasim, no one goes around calling Muslims Jewish. And that was a direct outgrowth rather than simply Hubbard stealing aspects of the religion and dabbling in it for a few years. 

But lets ignore all that, how do you get from someone losing a child because of their own inadequate medical care and superstitious religious beliefs, to that person being gay, and then exposing themselves to strangers?

Draw. The. Link. 

Seriously. Explain that.

Rainez024
Rainez024

Um,.. what planet are you communicating from, bro? You lost me on your first sentence. If you don't even know LRH was a master occultist and Scientology is a 100% Satantic religion based on Alister Crowley's work, then you ain't done your homework. Good luck to you, clearly you're seein' life through some kind of very limited filter - in many areas.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

Satanic? Thats--- Okay whatever moving past that weird statement: 

Your original comment was that he killed his son, thus he must also be gay. Those are mutually exclusive events, they have no bearing on one another. Yes what happened to Jet, the fact they ignored his medical needs, is horrible and it is something he has to live with. Probably something that he should be prosecuted for.

But to draw a link to him being gay from that, and then to go further and draw a line to him being guilty of exposing himself to strangers-- It isn't a logically sound. Basically you're making leaps in logical that are unfounded.

Jimmy Kowski
Jimmy Kowski

4th Claimant comes forward..... Dailymail dot co dot uk again.

This is turning into a Tiger Woods new mistress a day scenario ..... that one ended at 31

Jgg
Jgg

  So Doe #1 dropped his suit, his lawyer is an ambulance chaser and people are making fun of his fantasies (and Travolta was in New York that day).  On the plus side, he did save a bundle on his car insurance.

Mookindahouse
Mookindahouse

so it appears that Kelly Preston has made her first (pre-taped) appearance since this scandal broke, on that Lifetime show w/ Amanda De Cadenet. she doesn't reveal anything earth-shattering except that she's clean and sober (no mention of the cult, *phew*). Interestingly enough, Kabbalah devotees Demi Moore and Gwyneth Paltrow are a part of this show too.

Jgg
Jgg

  Interestingly, she says she gave up smoking.  L. Ron Hubbard said smoking is good for you!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I can't believe Kelly hasn't mentioned or denied anything about John's ass-ist touching of men.

For some reason I start humming Tammy Wynette songs when I think of Kelly Preston and John Travolta.

"Stand By Your Man" Sometimes it's hard to be a thetan womanGiving all your love to a gay OT manYou'll have bad timesAnd he'll have gay timesDoin things that you don't understandBut if you love him You'll forgive himEven though he's hard to understandAnd if you love himOh, be proud of him Cause after all he's just a gay OT man

Or

Our D-I-V-O-R-C-E won't be final todayMe and little O-S-A won't be goin' awayEven though this is pure H-E double L for me....

sharkattacksteve
sharkattacksteve

 Don't let George Jones catch you doing that..especially if he's been drinking.

Jimmy Kowski
Jimmy Kowski

There's a pretty in depth article on the Dailymail dot co dot uk site..... the title is 

"Is John Travolta heading for a crash landing - or is he an innocent victim of a malicious plot? THIRD man accuses star of sexual assault"interesting stuff on what other things this lawyer has been involved in plus stuff I never knew.I've also posted it on my Medialushness facebook group for those that know me.

John P.
John P.

I thought the more interesting part of the Daily Mail article was not the one about the "refrigerated" hairpiece vault, but a line buried in there about how Okori Okarocha has been involved before in celebrity legal sleaze.  

Okorocha was named in a suit by Verne Troyer ("Mini-Me" in the Austin Powers movies) along with Troyer's ex-girlfriend and others.  Apparently, Okorocha was accused of helping to broker a sex tape that Troyer's ex-girlfriend had made of their amorous antics. I don't have a PACER account so I don't have a way to get the complaint, but a free copy of the case docket is at:  www.legalmetric.ZOM/cases/copyright/cacd/cacd_208cv05042.html.  

It should be noted that Okorocha was named in the suit but was quickly dropped; just two  months after the July 31, 2008 initial filing, Troyer stipulated that Okorocha could be dropped from the suit, with prejudice (meaning he couldn't be re-added later), and that the parties each paid their respective costs and legal fees (implying no other money changed hands).  So while Okorocha may have tried to help broker a deal for Troyer's ex-girlfriend to profit from the tape, he was apparently not a peripheral figure and was quickly left behind.  

There are other confusing details on the case that lend additional credence to the idea that Okorocha was, if anything, an extremely minor party to whatever happened -- a July 19, 2008 news report suggests a permanent injunction was signed with other parties (no mention of Okorocha), which is before the action referenced above was even filed, so it's unclear what the point of the action involving Okorocha actually was.  

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Incidentally, I have heard that high-quality hairpieces require a lot of care and feeding and are quite finicky if you are going to apply them correctly.  Saying "I have heard" is not a coy allusion to personal experience; I have quite enough hair for someone in my general age bracket and don't know anyone who wears a hairpiece...  

For an actor like Travolta, whether for a role or for public appearances, he probably feels (with some basis in reality) that it is essential for his image that he wear only high-quality hairpieces that look absolutely natural.  

I would suspect that a special room is reasonably necessary to keep everything about one's hairpieces in tip-top shape if one lives in the fetid humidity of central Florida.  I would bet that the more accurate description of the room is "climate controlled" (i.e., mainly about keeping humidity in a given range) rather than "air conditioned" (which does implicitly lower humidity, but is mainly about lowering the temperature).  

If I had to guess exactly what is so important about hairpieces and humidity, I might suspect that tape-on (versus glue-on) wigs need humidity stabilized so moisture doesn't build up on the surface of the tape causing an accidental "strategic toupee malfunction" when paparazzi are nearby.  And perfectly dry skin, without even a trace of sweat, at the moment you apply the hairpiece is probably equally important in making sure things don't slide around while the cameras are rolling.

Jonathan W. Hendry
Jonathan W. Hendry

Assuming they're real hair wigs, you'd also want to keep them out of humidity, to reduce the hair frizzing out or doing anything else that hair does in humid air. It's probably not a big deal when you're wearing the hairpiece in humid air and fix soon after, but a rarely-worn hairpiece sitting in humid air for months might possibly be irreparably damaged or lose the style it was made in.

There might also be a possibility of mold or bug infestation, that dry air might help prevent.

A brief Google search turned up a mention of Beyonce having a similar room to store her mass quantity of wigs.

sharkattacksteve
sharkattacksteve

Thanks, that was fun. I especially enjoyed the bit about the 100 hairpieces in the climate controlled room and Travolta working as a greeter for Qantas Airlines and the description of him looking like a demented drag queen.

TheHoleDoesNotExist
TheHoleDoesNotExist

A new day, and I'm Still trying to figure out why he has to keep those wigs refrigerated!  Freeze BT's out?   Control cooties from populating? 

Keeping a cool head while all others are losing their's.   That must be it.  I remember this from something Hubbardian.

guest
guest

Idk but summer is approaching and a refrigerated wig sounds like the best idea ever. 

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

We in RTC wish to make the Church of Scientology's position on homosexuality abundantly clear:

1. If a homosexual comes to us and wants to be cured of being homosexual then we will take their money and cure them. Scientology's cure, however, is only effective if auditing is constantly paid for. If someone stops paying for auditing then they will relapse into homosexuality.

2. When Scientology takes secret "behind the scenes" meeting with the Catholics, Mormons, or Evangelicals, why of course we then we abhor homosexuality as an immoral lifestyle choice. What Scientology has in common with these R6 implant religions is that we all need slave labor to make our respective religions work. Therefore, we agree with these R6 implant religions on the abhorrence of homosexuality so long as it protects our right to use slave labor in the Sea Org and on RPF.

3. When we in the Church are communicating to Liberals we are completely accepting of homosexuality. Indeed, we have publicly stated that the Church of Scientology supports gay rights and that Disconnection does not exist.

5. We in RTC frankly do not care if our parishioners are gay so long as they keep paying us to be treated and cured of being gay. To that point, we actually do not care what any Scientologist does so long as they keep paying us to cure them of it. If they go to far, we will declare them SP's. Ideally, an SP Declare will only happen after they are broke or old and can no longer offer we in RTC anything in the way of money or labor. We believe in using people after all.

bobx
bobx

Point 4 was a long quotation from an embarrassing rant by L. Ron Hubbard, which was deleted in the course of the Great Semicolon Edit.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Makes sense.

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 We in RTC wish to call to your attention that our previous post on homosexuals was charitable, benign, and too kind. However, we need to be perfectly truthful:

1. Whereas we welcome homosexuals into the lower Class IV Orgs and Missions, we do need to draw a line somewhere. Flag and The Freewinds are off limits for distasteful conduct. Flag and The Freewinds create and generate superhuman OT's by the hour and we do not wish to contaminate these lofty spiritual states by allowing homosexuals romps that properly belong in wog gay bars and San Francisco.

2. Having said this, there are exceptions to every rule. Accordingly, we  in RTC reserve the right to allow homosexuals at Flag if they have donated $10,000,000 and have become Patron Meritorious Blovatius. We in RTC have already allowed one homosexual onto The Freewinds after he donated $10,000,0000 and so there are always exceptions based upon dollars donated to the IAS.

We in RTC have always had set a good moral example. Just because Hollywood is sloppy with its liberal embrace of homosexuality does not mean that we will be influenced. We in RTC are the most ethical beings on the planet. We are the few keeping Armageddon at bay. 

TheHoleDoesNotExist
TheHoleDoesNotExist

So, in summary,  scientology does not care what you do with your holes or where you put them  because in scientology, The Hole Does Not Exist.   However, if you believe Holes Do Exist,  for $10,000,000 scientology will a) Cure you of this delusion  or b) Allow you to keep your Holes. 

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

We in RTC told you so. This lawsuit is phonier and more laughable than even than Captain Bill's lunatic OT levels. John Doe #1 is an SP put up to this libelous malarkey by the rabid agents of Big Pharma who cannot stand Scientology's unparalleled success in making Debbie whatsherface go away. All we needed to do there was to flash some cash in Wayne's face and he immediately shoved a pen into Debbie's hand  to sign the new NDA. The Psychs flipped out like rampaging Charles Manson followers on LSD and concocted these lurid allegations for which they will be sued for such a whopping amount that it will take them several years of peddling their Psych drugs to pay OT John Travolta.

All of Scientology's problems are handled for 2012. There will be no more problems for all of you horrendously demented psychopaths to shriek about. In any case, the only real problem Scientology has in 2012 is that we can't build Ideal Orgs and digital printing factories fast enough to meet the incredible public demand for Scientology. We have 300,000,000 auditors delivering billions of WDAH's every day. Every two seconds a new person in one of the 15,901 countries of the world becomes a Scientologist.

Jonathan W. Hendry
Jonathan W. Hendry

Re: ADVANCE

I guess Hubbard got bored with Buddha, and decided to start pretending to be Thor?

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Yeah, except Hubbard is dead and he is not coming back. Because he's dead.Sorry, to break it to you, "billions" of scientologistst.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Okorie Okorocha at least did the right thing!   Reminds of the lawyer who opted out of representing OJ.    

Money just is simply always the wrong motive.

Not that Travolta and all the other Hollywood stars overpaid for their professional pretending careers is worth as much attention as society pays these pro pretenders who distract and entertain us.   

One of my personal disappointments is Scientology's utter failure to attract academics and really smart people.   

All Scientology seems to attract and keep, are lesser minds, at all levels.    (Xenu and body thetans believed by Hubbard/Scientologists as  humankind's  most significant troublemakers, equals inevitable failure for Scientology credibility.)

Lemont
Lemont

That's because a better mind can dissect Hubbard's nonsense in a nanosecond.

Mookindahouse
Mookindahouse

the damage has been done (whatever the accusers' variability factor), Travolta needs to save his ass by 1) splitting with Kelly Preston and 2) coming out of the closet

mopus
mopus

why does he have to split with preston if he comes out? way more points, in my opinion, if he did the totally bold thing and said, yep, i'm gay, kelly's hip to it, there's a lot more to marriage than doing the humptydumpty and we both really love our kids a shit ton. this scientology shit has been killing me. did you guys see tht hit that i took with battlefield earth. damn! that should have been enough to show me i was on the wrong path

more likely scenario in the wake of this crap is they stay together,he goes to rehab which, for hollywood stars, can apparently 'fix' anything and he donates a space shuttle to the church.

Mimigaga007
Mimigaga007

I'm always bothered by these lawsuits because if these things actually happened, the "victim" should immediately go to the authorities, not wait months then sue for an obscene amount of money.

Seriously, no matter his sexual preference, Travolta would have no problem finding someone of any orientation to touch his junk. It's nonsensical at best.

GarryS
GarryS

Unfortunately, a cynicism exists among law enforcement that when two men are involved in a sexual situation, it's consensual & not abusive and the victims are not treated well.

Mimi the Great
Mimi the Great

In any event, he would have no issue finding a willing participant in some Travolta pickle touching extravaganza whether it be with a male or female!

MissCabbage
MissCabbage

No matter.  At least there would be a police report on file regardless of follow-up by the police.  Get the matter in writing immediately!  

LoyalOfficer
LoyalOfficer

Why does John put himself in these types of situations ? He should just do what the rest of us do when we feel that urge to tickle another's pickle. Just go exterior and zoom off to the Throbbing Thetan Bath House. Tom C. gets greeted there like Norm from Cheers .

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