Yes, It's Still Perfectly Legal To Suck Babies' Genitals During Circumcision

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Mayor Michael Bloomberg's proposed super-sized soda ban isn't the only controversial topic that is going to be discussed by the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene this week.

Today, the Department is talking about the metzitzah b'peh -- a circumcision practice during which ritual practitioners "place their mouths directly on the child's circumcision wound to draw blood away from the circumcision cut."

And what exactly are they doing? The 11-member panel is listening to public comments on a "proposal to require parental consent for circumcisions practiced by ultra-Orthodox Jews," according to the Wall Street Journal.

Why? Well, between 2000 and 2011, 11 infants got herpes from this ritual. Ten infants were hospitalized, "at least two developed brain damage, and two babies died," the DOH reports.

If, for whatever reason, you missed that info, here it is again: Between 2001 and 2011, 11 infants got herpes from this ritual. Ten infants were hospitalized, "at least two developed brain damage, and two babies died."

Here's the thing: The proposed legislation wouldn't even ban the practice, which seems to avoid tougher regulation because of questionable arguments about religious freedom.

(Some Jewish law experts disagree that the practice is even sanctioned in the Talmud.)

Rather, it would just require parents to sign something recognizing the procedures risks.

A consent form!

That's it!

Again, to reiterate: The DOH, though it has come out against the practice, is not trying to ban it.

The Department just wants to make sure that parents know what's going on.

Parents would still be able to subject their kids to physical danger to fulfill their faithfulness.

Anyway, we couldn't make the hearing, and the DOH just told us that they're not releasing any statements about the discussion. The Department did say, though, that it will likely issue a decision in September.

However, there are some more facts that make you wonder why this procedure -- performed on 20,500 baby boys yearly -- remains so unregulated, considering that it sure seems to endanger children.

Notes the Daily Mail, "infants who were circumcised with suction between April 2006 and December 2012 had a risk of catching neonatal herpes (HSV-1) infection of 24.4 per 100,000."

Also, here's this quote from DOH Commissioner Dr. Thomas Farley: "There is no safe way to perform oral suction on any open wound in a newborn...parents considering ritual Jewish circumcision need to know that circumcision should only be performed under sterile conditions, like any other procedures that create open cuts, whether by mohelim or medical professionals."


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LACouture
LACouture

This egregious practice is RAPE of a boy. If girls were subjected to this legally, feminists would be rioting in the streets and female-focused rape campaigns would be exploding all over the media. When a boy is being raped and tortured, feminists and other so-called child advocates turn their heads.

dreamerleoguy
dreamerleoguy

This is the problem with the religious freedom argument. Where do we draw the line? Do we ban the oral suction? Do we ban the mogen clamp that has such a strong potential for surgical mishap? Do we ban completely circumcision of minors regardless of the gender, faith or reason - as it violates the rights to bodily integrity of the infants?

 

I believe that every man circumcised as a minor has every right to (and should) sue for sexual battery as a non-necessary cosmetic procedure was performed on their private parts without their consent, modifying the form and function of their genitalia forever and exposing them to non-trivial risks such as death from exsanguination and/or septisemia, damage to or loss of the penis, and negative consequences on their sexual lives.

frankmcginness
frankmcginness

http://research.cirp.org/news1.html  John Taylor, heart specialist and world's penis researcher and expert says in his 2009 October Newsletter: (snip) Until we do know more, extreme care should be taken to avoid any insult to the neonatal body that might upset interlinked respiratory and cardiac rhythms. Circumcision for no obvious medical reason is somewhere near the top of a list of don`ts; after circumcision, babies are in a state of pain and shock; they become quiet and respiration often slows. Now with some knowledge of fetal physiology, you can figure out the rest of the story. As with the heart, the development of the prepuce can be seen in the context of the wider development of a system of tissues. The preceding newsletter outlines one set of possibilities, reflexes triggered by movement of the prepuce and glans affecting events (reflex contractions) at the base of the penis. It is ridiculous to suggest, as many do, that the prepuce is an isolated tissue that developed in the absence of any other penile influence. So what is the final message? Simply that interference with one tissue or even a nutrient bloodflow might have knock-on effects, from sudden death to bedraggled sexual reflexes in later life, that are difficult to predict without a much-improved and more sophisticated knowledge of human anatomy and physiology.

TLCTugger
TLCTugger

As long as I didn't get a disease I don't give a hoot about who did or didn't suck my penis when I was a baby.  WHAT BOTHERS ME is that I am missing the BEST PART of my penis.  The foreskin has thousands of specialized pleasure receptive nerve endings, protects the glans keeping it supple, and affords an exquisite gliding mode of stimulation.  HIS body, HIS decision.   

frank124c
frank124c topcommenter

Circumcision is male genital mutilation and it should be outlawed. The right to practice religion has its limits, for example head hunting is a religious practice and it is outlawed. The Aztec and Mayan Indians practiced human sacrifice and this has been outlawed. Voodoo is a religion in which chickens, goats and sheep are sacrificed. It continues even today but if the NYC police get wind of it they will arrest the practitioners. 

5lttlestones
5lttlestones

this is even worse to think...how many of these ceremonies do these Rabbi's make every year? that means....oh my gosh...i cant handle the thought of some nasty , dirty, mouthwash smelling wet lipped old man DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YEAR AFTER YEAR,CHILD AFTER CHILD! you know what that means? that means the poor innocent baby has already been violated with in the first week of its innocent life!! i am SFL SCARRED FOR LIFE OVER THIS! i'll never be the same NEVER!

nocirc
nocirc

So, let me get this straight. When you put your mouth on a baby's normal penis, you can be arrested for child abuse but, if you first cut off a part of the baby's penis and then suck it, it's okay? Do we really think this obscene practice is still okay after all the death and destruction that it's caused, or is it  that we don't have the courage to stand up to protect the babies from those claiming religious freedom. When a baby is born in the USA, his religious freedom is protected by the Constitution and, if he's marked as a Jew or Muslim, his freedom of religion has been violated. What about constitutional rights isn't clear here? Anachronistic blood rituals have no place in civilized society.

5lttlestones
5lttlestones

this is so heinous i cant believe it! i could never allow ANYONE to do such a perverse act as to put their mouth on m son's genitals!!!! COMPLETELY DISGUSTING! 

JustSayin
JustSayin

I wonder how many people who oppose this procedure would gladly support the mother's right to kill the same baby weeks earlier.  I bet the author of this article and many of her readers fall into that hypocritical category.

jndsn402
jndsn402

The numbers in this article don't make sense.

11 babies got herpes in 10 years - roughly 1 per year.

The procedure is performed on 20,000 baby boys per year.

That sounds like 1 per 20,000, or 5 per 100,000.

Where did they get 24.4 per 100,000?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Sick perverted bastards !!

 

Stop the Genital Mutilation of Babies and Infants !!

 

You should see the torture and abuse these stone-age psychopaths do to millions of animals they slaughter as Kosher Kashrut --  http://www.peta.org/features/agriprocessors.aspx

 

**** Religion = Superstitious Nonsense for Ignorant Simpletons ****

Manhater
Manhater

Thank you for helping to bring the problems with Male Genital Mutilation (aka Circumcision) to public attention. Babies have been dying, suffering brain damage, and completely losing their penises because of this barbaric practice for thousands of years.  There is no completely safe way to perform a circumcision, and the risk of even one baby dying from this unnecessary surgical procedure, which completely removes the choice of the individual, is completely unacceptable in my opinion.

5lttlestones
5lttlestones

 @TLCTugger perhaps, you are saying this because you are an adult, with knowledge and free will. a baby who is one week old is defenseless and does not even have the ability to speak. this isnt about a free will choice of physical pleasure by an adult !

 

let's be specific here, most of these comments on this article seem to revolve around  and are concerned with the potential for loss of FUTURE sexual pleasures of the baby being circumcised, how does that have to do anything with the fact that the rabbi is sucking blood out of a wound from a baby penis ?  if the man was not a rabbi and performed the same act , the baby penis sucker, would be thrown in jail!

 

a newborn is so vulnerable and some of these babies have even received a disease, brain damage and death. doesnt anyone realize how many germs live inside an adult mouth? a human bite actually can kill if left untreated. so can we all not imagine how an open wound on the penis of a newborn how susceptible it is to disease and permanent injury, even death? millions of gentile babies are circumcised in the hospitals and those foreskins are used to reconstruct skin for burn patients. its not the circumcision that i find so upsetting as it is the rabbi who performs this act and then gives the child a disease. there is no where in the US constitution that says religious freedom has the right to cause body harm or death. i wouldnt be surprised if some of these rabbi's dont have a large kiddie porn collection hidden in their basements.

 

how can an adult male, put his mouth on a newborn's genitalia and be anything BUT perverted? besides it says in the Bible that no one is to eat or drink blood of any kind. so how is baby penis sucking kosher?

fyrestormcreations
fyrestormcreations

 @JustSayin The abortion argument is a red herring.  Whether you are pro life or pro choice, you have to logically be against genital mutilation.  Pro choice - you believe that a person has the right to make decisions about their own body - so should the man the baby will become.  Pro Life - You believe that the baby has rights - or do those rights only extend to the moment of birth and those rights get taken away until he's 18 r something?

circumcisionresource
circumcisionresource

 @JustSayin Personally, I am pro-life. I am also pro-the-penis-owner's choice to decide on circumcision, or not, once he has turned 18 and is old enough to make such a decision. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the bottom line is that ONCE THE CHILD IS BORN AND ALIVE, he has every right to keep all his body parts, including his penis!

wheemsie
wheemsie

 @JustSayin you're stupid. These two arguments have nothing to do with one another. So you're saying, that just because someone supports a woman's right to choose, they should also support molestation? If you honestly believe that, you're just as crazy as these guys.

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

 @jndsn402 

That's because not every rabbin has herpes! If every rabbin had, that would make around 5 000 victims a year.

JustSayin
JustSayin

 @wheemsie

 Drop the molestation argument and the whole sucking thing - totally weird to me.  I'm talking about the anti-circumcision crowd in the comments.  The same people who claim they support the baby's rights, are willing to say it's completely ok to murder the same baby weeks earlier.  Just sayin.  :)

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