Scientologists Told that Alexander Jentzsch Died of Reaction to "Prescribed Painkiller"

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Heber and Alexander Jentzsch
As the Los Angeles Coroner's office continues to investigate the July 3 death of Alexander Jentzsch -- the 27-year-old son of Heber Jentzsch, the Church of Scientology's president -- Alexander's mother, Karen de la Carriere, continues to hear from people in and outside of the church about the days leading up to his death.

This evening, she was forwarded an e-mail that had been sent to church members describing a memorial service held last Thursday at Scientology's Hollywood Celebrity Centre on Franklin Avenue. The e-mail is signed by Stan Gerson, a well-known Scientologist who had been Alexander's godfather. (We left a phone message with Gerson, who is a Sherman Oaks commercial real estate broker and also performs as a stage magician.)

According to the e-mail, Alexander's father, Heber Jentzsch, did give the eulogy at the service. Alexander's mother, de la Carriere, was not invited to the memorial, which the e-mail describes as an idyllic affair -- and seems intended to counter growing media interest in the unusual circumstances around Alexander's death.

Heber Jentzsch's presence at the memorial marks the first time that the church executive has reportedly been seen at a church event since about 2004. Multiple former Scientology officials say that Jentzsch has spent most or all of the intervening time as a prisoner in the church's notorious office-prison known as "The Hole," at Scientology's international base near Hemet, California.

De la Carriere, meanwhile, was barred from the event because she was excommunicated by Scientology in 2010 for daring to speak out publicly about the treatment of her ex-husband. She had been a 40-year member of the church and had studied directly with L. Ron Hubbard. But when she complained on a website about Heber's incarceration and that her son was growing up without a father, she was "declared a suppressive person" and Alexander, she says, was forced to "disconnect" from her.

Alexander cut off all contact with her, and de la Carriere did not see her son for the last two years of his life. His Scientologist wife prevented de la Carriere from seeing her son's body before it was cremated, and she was also told that the church planned no memorial.

After considerable media attention, however, the church relented and quickly planned a memorial at the Celebrity Centre.

On Tuesday, this description of the event was e-mailed to church members, and a copy found its way to Karen tonight...

16 July 2012

Hi All,
I am writing you this letter for two reasons: One is to give some sad news and the other is to make sure you get true information from a reliable source.

A few days ago there was a service at Celebrity Center to say goodbye to Alex Jentzsch, the son of Heber. I was Alex's Godfather and very close to him. Alex was 27 years old and had a reaction to a prescribed painkiller for a back problem he had. He went to sleep in Los Angeles at his Mother-in-law's home on July 3rd and did not wake up. He was here in Los Angeles on a business cycle setting up his comm lines, etc. with the help of my son, Joshua, and other friends. He was excited about the prospects and his wife Andrea was to follow shortly from Texas. Joshua had taken him on a fishing trip a few weeks prior and they had a great time.

Last Thursday we attended the most magnificent service in the Pavilion at Celebrity Center International. I was the master of ceremonies, Rev. Heber Jentzsch delivered the eulogy and Capt. Dave Petit did the service itself. I can tell you it was highly emotional, beautiful, Theta and a fabulous send off to such a remarkable being.

The event was not heavily publicized, but the people who were close to him and the family were there; about 160 people in all.

Pamela Lancaster Johnson sang Sarah McLachlan's 'Angels' - but with words more appropriate for Alex and the second was a duet, 'My Prayer' with Pamela Lancaster Johnson and Carter Ramson with Eric Zimmerman playing the piano. It was magnificent.

Two of Alex's best friends, Kenny Davies and Tim Burke talked about Alex in a way that described his life perfectly. When Kenny read LRH's characteristics of a genius, all there were in 100% agreement. It summarized Alex to a T.

Most of you know I had taught Alex magic from the time he was 10 years old, so I delivered a one of Alex's magical effects to the guests. I made sure it lifted the tone as that is what Alex would have wanted.

Heber delivered an incredible eulogy for his son, and told us amazing stories of this boy who, from birth, was not the average child, but a genius. Alex had a memory almost unheard of and could recite policies and references verbatim, including 'Message to Garcia' and other long texts. He would recount movie stories months after seeing the movie, duplicating the words and actions of the actors with ease. His competence in the Sea Organization was renowned and he was known all over the America for his ability to get a product no matter how tough. Heber and Alex were both extremely proud of each other and understood how busy each were in helping mankind, and yet, both would play the game of tracking each other down, no matter the distance or location, just to say a simple "Happy Birthday", each year.

At the end of the eulogy Heber told us that he and Alex used to always sing together and a few weeks prior Alex had gone to a small recording studio at Universal Studios and recorded a few songs. One of them was "A Candle in the Wind". This very same recording was played at the service and hearing Alex sing with his young tenor voice sweeping across the room was amazing and the appropriate ending to the ceremony.

Afterwards close family and friends met and listened to some of Heber's and a few friends' stories. They were great.

So that is my story. I wanted you to have the facts directly.
I will miss my Godson but am happy I got to spend as much time with him over the past years as I did.

Sincerely,

Stan Gerson

Ps. If you wish to let your friends know the above information, you are welcome to share it at your discretion.

That final line seems a dead giveaway that Gerson's e-mail was intended to carry the Church's version of events to the outside world.

A photo from the memorial was attached to the message. It shows Heber Jentzsch (center) standing with Gerson and Gerson's wife Phillipa...

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Despite the church's happy version of events, we're gradually learning a little more about the final weeks of Alexander Jentzsch's life, which only add to the mystery surrounding his death.

As Karen indicated in a mass e-mail she sent to more than 10,000 church members, her son joined the Sea Org at only 8 years of age. He was brought up in the church, and to many Scientologists the Jentzsch family was considered church royalty.

Heber was named president of the Church of Scientology International in 1982 and was often the face of the church for public events through the 1990s. By 2004, however, he had fallen so far from Scientology leader David Miscavige's favor, he disappeared from view. For most or all of the past eight years, say former church officials like Mike Rinder and John Brousseau, Heber Jentzsch has been held in Scientology's infamous office-prison.

Between the rigors of the Sea Org and then Heber's disappearance, Alexander was becoming "the boy without a father," Karen wrote in 2010 as she went public with her dissatisfaction. She was excommunicated, and her son was forced to cut off ties with her.

That same year, she writes, Alexander and his wife, Andrea, left the Sea Org and moved to Dallas, where Alexander got a job working for a home loans company.

Although Alexander had cut her out of his life, Karen still managed to get some information about him -- through Facebook, for example.

She says she noticed about a month ago that her son was having trouble with his marriage. Not only had she heard some things, but she noticed that Alexander's Facebook page showed no trace of his wife, and he deleted his relationship status, which had read "married."

"They took down the site within 48 hours after he died. But he definitely changed his relationship status. I noticed it when he did it," Karen tells me.

Around that same time, Alex also lost his job. He made his way back to Los Angeles, and began staying with his estranged wife's parents, Jeffrey and Maureen Evans, who live in Sylmar, a part of the San Fernando Valley in the city of Los Angeles. (Attempts to call the Evanses did not go through.) An overhead view of their house...

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More than once, it has been pointed out to me that it was odd that Alexander moved in with his in-laws if his marriage was on the rocks.

But with his mother excommunicated and his father confined to the secretive desert base, Alexander may have had nowhere else to turn but the house in Sylmar -- which makes Karen boil.

"He was broke, he was asking for money, I've heard. And they wouldn't let him contact me," she says.

On June 19 -- just 14 days before he was found dead -- Alexander attended a family event. Someone who attended it contacted Karen to tell her that her son looked healthy and drank little, if anything. "They said he might have taken part in a toast, but that's all," Karen says.

Around that same time, another family friend took Alexander out for an expensive dinner, and reported to Karen that her son not only didn't drink, but turned down an offer of a glass of wine. Karen was told that at that dinner, Alexander made a request for financial help.

As we reported earlier, Karen says she was told by L.A. Coroner Assistant Chief Ed Winter that when he questioned the Evanses, they told him that on Monday, July 2, in the morning and at night, they noticed that Alexander was lying in his bed at their home. The next morning, on July 3, the young man was still lying in bed and proved to be unresponsive. But Winter told Karen that a child was taken from the Evans home to school before 9-1-1 was finally called about Alexander's condition.

Winter also indicated that medication containers near Alexander's body were collected, and the coroner's office is now awaiting a toxicology report, which should take a few more weeks.

Karen says she was stunned to hear from Winter that the Evanses told him that Alexander had "a history of over-self-medicating," and when they were asked why he might be doing that, Winter was told Alexander had back pain resulting from an auto accident.

But Karen says the car accident was not recent; it happened years ago, and although Alexander totaled his Acura automobile, she had quickly bought him another one, and he didn't complain of any injuries at all.

"He visited with me daily for months after that car crash, and he never once mentioned a back injury," she says.

On the other hand, she heard from more than one of Alexander's friends that in the days before his death, he had experienced some difficulty breathing. She was told that his Scientologist friends handled the episode with a "touch assist" -- a sort of therapeutic faith-healing technique.

Karen says Winter told her he was concerned about the responses he was getting from Alexander's in-laws.

The church's explanation -- at least as presented in Gerson's e-mail -- sounds like more of a guess than a real diagnosis: reaction to a prescribed painkiller.

Fired, broke, cut off from his mother and father, Alex Jentzsch was in a tough spot on July 2. Had he turned to self-medicating himself with something stronger than prescription drugs and overdone it? For the young, it's one of the more common ways to expire today.

If that's what happened, and the son of the president of the Church of Scientology had died of a drug overdose while his father was incarcerated in a hellish church prison and his mother was untouchable as an excommunicant -- and with the church at the center of a media firestorm over a celebrity divorce -- Scientology had a real mess on its hands the morning of July 3 in that Sylmar home.

Which is why, former high-ranking Scientology official Mike Rinder says, it was important to put out a happy description of Alexander's church memorial. (And Rinder knows something about church PR -- for many years he was the executive director of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs, was the church's chief spokesman, and also helped oversee the church's legal affairs.)

"That e-mail is one of the most astonishing things I've ever seen," Rinder says. "They are so shortsighted that they will put something out like that which will get exposed as so full of lies.

"Their idea of how to deal with their crisis situation is to do the exact wrong thing every time and create a whole new situation. I mean, the wonderful family life, that his wife was following him shortly, Alexander's incredible business opportunities. Why they are even saying that, it just makes you wonder about everything that comes out. Because it's all blatant lies," he says.

"He was staying with his in-laws because he didn't have any money and couldn't contact his mother or his father. And then they're putting out this bullshit that everything was fine and that he died of a 'prescribed' painkiller. The guy was lying dead in bed for 24 hours, and they dropped the kid off to school and then dialed 911," Rinder complains.

"Human decency takes a back seat to the concerns of the corporate church. That's what's sick about this," he says.

The more Karen hears, she adds, the more she is sure she could have made a big difference in her son's life -- if the church had only allowed it.

"I would have sent him money right away. He was broke, he was asking for money, and they wouldn't let him contact me. They told him the disconnection was my fault," she says.

"How could these people tell the coroner that he had a history of drug use? You mean, they knew he had a problem and didn't let him talk to me, while his father was incarcerated in The Hole?"

De la Carriere continues to work with the coroner as he presses the church for information. She says he has assured her multiple times that he will not be intimidated or distracted.

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Our Alexander Jentzsch Coverage:

On Thursday, July 5 we broke the news of Alex's death after receiving word from his mother, Karen de la Carriere.

On Saturday, July 7 we reported that Karen was being denied a final look at her son before he was cremated because of her excommunicated status.

On Monday, July 9 we broke the news that Karen had sent out an e-mail about her son's death to more than 10,000 Scientologists.

On Wednesday, July 11 we were first to report that Scientology had relented and was holding a memorial service for Alex, but his mother wasn't invited.

Karen held her own memorial for Alex, spreading rose petals at sea, and there was also video from the event. She then went on KFI radio for a wrenching interview.

On Tuesday, July 17, we reported that the LA Coroner's office was unhappy with unusual answers given by Alex's in-laws regarding his death, and was investigating.


UPDATE: Last night, KABC Channel 7 in Los Angeles rounded up some of the basics in the investigation.


ALSO: Richard French of WRNN-TV here in New York has on a journalist and asks great questions about Scientology...


See also:
What Katie is saving Suri from: Scientology interrogation of kids
Scientology's new defections: Hubbard's granddaughter and Miscavige's dad
Scientology's disgrace: our open letter to Tom Cruise
Scientology crumbling: An entire mission defects as a group
Scientology leader David Miscavige's vanished wife: Where's Shelly?

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5lttlestones
5lttlestones

even with scientology's policy on death and the after life, who stands and takes a photo with a big smile on his face at his 27 year old son's memorial service? the email is a well written document some what like a legal brief...sorry not good enough, not buying any of this. 

damotclese
damotclese

"Heber Jentzsch's presence at the memorial marks the first time that the church executive has reportedly been seen at a church event since about 2004"

 

Did he still have that control device bolted to the back of his neck, or did maybe Miscaviage decide he would let his automation run free will for a few minutes without abject control?

KareNotMyFault
KareNotMyFault

It is always the time to promote LRH.  Even in my darkest moments I will promote LRH.  May your families and children come to gain the same peace and enlightenment I enjoy every day through the miracle of LRH tech.  Thank you,  Marty, for your unflagging support.

 

To those of you who defend my right to grieve and promote LRH, thank you.  Now, my e-meter is calling. 

KareNotMyFault
KareNotMyFault

People said that L. Ron Hubbard was evil, but My husband was making great money. I could afford terrific clothes and cosmetic surgery.  See how pretty I am for my age.

 

I will still promote L. Ron Hubbard.  I use my e-meter every day.

 

My son is dead, but I still love my e-meter and L. Ron Hubbard

 

My memorial was much better than Scientology Inc's memorial.  The rose petals were my idea.  I'm tasteful and classy like that.  It is so sad that precious Alexander is dead and I wasn't notified.

At least LRH is still wonderful...and my e-meter.  I'm going on the radio. 

AnotherSP
AnotherSP

Tony, you did a wonderful job on WRNN.  Keep up the good fight! 

nodecafplz
nodecafplz

I was considering Scientology but in the end, I'm much happier a Jedi.

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

I've only just registered a comment in Gerson's email properly. He ends off by saying "I will miss my Godson but am happy I got to spend as much time with him over the past years as I did".  Really? What does that mean? Did he actually get to spend more time with Alexander than Heber did? (That could be 3 times a year if we believe the crap about Heber and Alexander playing birthday tag.) Or is that just $cientoology-speak for "I think I remember who I'm talking about"? 

AnotherSP
AnotherSP

I love seeing the members in the cult forwarding internal correspondence to the outside world.  Juicy!

theoracle
theoracle

I am repelled that Miscavige forced Heber to work the P.R. flap at his own son's funeral.  That he made a parent read the eulogy for his own son is cruel.  Unheard of. That a young man  dangerously ill was left un attended for two days dead is a disgrace.  There is no way they are going to spin this into any win, through P.R..  The fact that Miscavige ordered Heber to divorce Karen and split up this family was cruel and self serving.  Then to torture Karen at the Int Base, a Class Xll C/S trained by Hubbard,  and run her son as a slave starting at age eight,  is clear evidence Miscavige  is quite insane.  David Miscavige is insane.  Someone had to say it.

acula
acula

1. What is a comm line?

2. I think glazed eyes in a father who just lost his son would be normal.  I'm not saying he isn't being mistreated, but I'm just saying that they way you look at your child's funeral is probably not the best way to judge how someone is doing. 

3 .27 is too young. 

 

bobx
bobx

His name always reminds me of an old audio clip (alas, from before TV) of the speech at the 1928 Republican convention introducing the nominee:  "The next President of the United States, Heebert Hoober!"

borje
borje

Sylmar is really a crappy area and that photo of the house seems to show an office trailer at the back not disimilar to the "double wide" used for the hole at int.....  ironic ?I guess the are spending their cash on something else ? 

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

Gosh, I really cannot believe how angry all of this is making me.

I cannot believe the amount of lives that have been destroyed because of this.

 

Go to clearwater and drive around the Super Power Building.

Creepy. Its like it has a force field around it. (keeping it from having a human near it).

Yet all the Scibots lurk in the shadows.

 

If you ever want a "ghost tour" for a vacation.

Go to Clearwater.

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

I hope this'll at least deal with formatting better than the other. 

 

Anyway, back to the point. As I see it now, the $cientoology shore story about Alexander's death sounds like it was thrown together by desperate people working in fear of a narcissistic, violent psychopath who wanted to be sure that the facts were concealed from the coroner, police, Alexander's mother and anybody else who might figure out what really happened. So far, the possibility that Alexander was on babywatch and they didn't want another Lisa McPherson type storm has been raised and sounds pretty good. When it first happened the possibility of a Purification Rundown gone bad was mentioned by a few people and that sounds possible too.

 

But until the coroner and cops cut through all the $cientoology handling and get some evidence, we have nothing to go on. So, is there anything anybody can do to keep the coroner and cops from getting drowned in $cientoolo-slurry? 

anon01
anon01

Too bad L. Ron Hubbard was all about "amends," "RPF"  "lower conditions" and 'SEC checks."

 

L. Ron Hubbard didn't value GRACE, LOVE and FORGIVENESS.  He hated those things.   In Scientology you will never get them.   Hubbard never encouraged it or set a precedent for it.  Hubbard believed in AMENDS, SEC-CHECKS, LOWER CONDITIONS and RPF.   The perfect backdrop for a tyrannical cult leader.  

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

And you can sort it any way you like - starting from the newest or from the oldest - as long as you "like" starting from the newest. 

 

Imagine having to read one of John P's amazing post and then scroll back up to read what was posted after him? :(

TickleMeXenu
TickleMeXenu

Has anyone else ever wondered: of those individuals who self-identify as "Scientologists" - how many of them are Co$ vs Independents. Sorry for veering somewhat off-topic here, but I think it' an interesting question.

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

It is looking like it.

SUCKS. 

but I am spitting Kittens over this whole thing so much I don't care.

I want DM to see the inside of a prison cell.

 

 

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

Does this mean we've lost previous comments?  There were some links that people posted that on some of the pages that I wanted to follow up. 

Flynnie
Flynnie

Wow. Not iPad friendly at all, so far. Still glad to be here and try to participate, though...

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

ummm....what's happening???

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Herber's finger tips on Stan's shoulder look smugged, stunted, painted or photoshopped in. They are not natural.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Turn those three nines up side down and you get 666. Bam!

pixy
pixy

 @KareNotMyFault I know you're getting a lot of flak, but I can't lie or pretend to be PC - your comments totally cracked me up. 

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

 @KareNotMyFault First off, I've got no love for LRH or Scientology in any form, ok? But this isn't the time for cheap shots. It's just a tad nasty. Grief is grief, and the human thing to do (in contrast to the LRH/DM thing to do) is to show compassion for someone's grief. Talking down at Karen and mocking her right now is more like a $cientoology tactic. Why do their job for them? You'll find a lot of us even feel at least a little sympathy for Heber, sad putrid case that he is, because he's not even allowed to feel or show any genuine grief, just that tricked out pretense of having fond birthday memories. 

 

As for the Indies, they're still on a journey. You know Hubbard's BS Bridge to Nowhere(tm)? Well, think of it like there's another bridge people have to travel to rejoin reality when they leave $cientoology. I posted about it in another thread a couple of weeks ago but this change over to Livefyre has lost our old posts. It's from Arnie Lerma's site at: 

http://Xwww.lermanet.Xcom/cos/8steps.Xhtml (remove the "X"s)

Arnie was on staff for 10 years.  I cleaned his list up to look something like this: 

 

1) There is something wrong here, if this is so great, then why is (_____) going on? [Insert whatever atrocity/ies you have witnessed]

2) The guys at the top must be crazy

3) Miscavige and crew are evil demons from another dimension [or something similar]

4) Hubbard went crazy at the end

5) Hubbard went crazy in 1966

6) Hubbard was mad at the start

7) This whole thing is a complete fraud

8) My god, it's a criminal organization, with criminal convictions all over the world ... and it was only about money

9) Realization that THERE ARE NO OT's OUT THERE! 

10) Realizing that after leaving Scientology, this makes one an ex-nazi, and wanting to do something about it. 

 

1st thing to notice, the Bridge to Freedom and Reality out doesn't cost $400,000 and your life like the LRH/DM BS Bridge to Nowhere(tm).  2nd, it does cost a lot in terms of the years it can take to unravel all the programming and hypnosis people experience in the cult. It ain't easy processing it especially that last half. Indies get stuck somewheres between 3 and 5, I guess. 

 

So yeah, a lot of us are critical of the Indies especially certain ones that won't face what they did to people and how much they were part of the problem while they were inside. And we won't line up with their whole "But Hubbard was ok, it's all DM's fault" delusion. But they're on their own journey to undo what was done to them. Some of them have been stuck a long time. That's how badly $cientoology can screw with your head. We won't help them if we show no compassion. Hell, they can get treated like that by going back to the cult. 

 

Sorry to rant but this is complicated. Too complicated to leave it alone. 

ClamInAHalfshell
ClamInAHalfshell

 @KareNotMyFault  It's distasteful to mock funerals. It's a bit Westboro-Baptist-Churchy, and who wants to be THAT?   In other circumstances, I have no problem with discussing the problems associated with the indie Scientology movement. But this is not the time.

RIPAndrewWordes
RIPAndrewWordes

 @KareNotMyFault Her memorial looked beautiful and so what if she still loves her e meter and LRH.  So What! Who Cares! Maybe the old guy had some good teachings, I don't know, never checked it out.  What I really wonder is how someone can have so little respect for the heartbreak this woman has obviously gone through after devoting so many decades of her life to this organization.  Where is the love?

butseriously
butseriously

@KareNotMyFault You will be thought of as unkind. It doesn't diminsh the truth of your observation. She is still a Scientologist and is still roping people in with her praise of the original sadist.

JohnPCapitalist
JohnPCapitalist

Before you go to look at the Super Power building, read some of the articles here from back in January that Tony published about the miracle devices inside.  The building looks like just another stupid office/hotel building from the outside, but it will probably be a lot more fun to look at it when you know about all the crazy stuff inside.  Pay particular attention to the oiliness table, the most popular piece of StupidGear inside. 

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

Oh and if you do go there, look at the taller building with the walkway. The Fort Harrison. Lisa Mcphersons death trap.

TickleMeXenu
TickleMeXenu

 @FistOfXenu But why did they wait SO long to call 911? Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it almost sounds as if they wanted to make SURE Alexander was dead. What were they trying to hide? 

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I am one of those people that suggested that Alexander's death may have been the result of a "Purif" gone bad. The toxicology report should be interesting.

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

 @FistOfXenu good question. because the slurry is thick and very hard to wade through. I hope we get one real tenacious SOB on this case who really sinks his teeth into it.

It is about time these litigious SOBS were finally dealt with.

(Yeah IRS, this is aimed at you).

Paulette Cooper had guts and survived....and YOU caved.

 

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

 @anon01 that is because LRH was a typical human. A giant ball of contradictions...we all are.

But this son of a bitch managed to delude people into following his "Logic"... ( I actually got kinda sick as I used that word).

Sorry, I may have passion, but I am a crappy writer.

 

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

 @TickleMeXenu Well that depends on Where you ask the question. There is about  (my guess is 70%) independent scientologists on this board.

 

And about 2% Marco's. ($cibots)

The rest of us are technically WOGS.

 

My Math is just an guess.

Grace
Grace

 @2ronjo Tony's facebook page mentions an imminent transition to a new comments format.

KareNotMyFault
KareNotMyFault

 @Peggy2ronjo So true.  These meanies who accuse me of selling the same poison that killed my own child and many others, are all heartless trolls.  They have no valid point.  They are not only trolls, but anonymous should assign them to lower conditions. "Treason" 

 

LRH was mankind's bestest buddy.  Get in session today.

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

 @BurytheNuts What if people who go to Clearwater lay a wreath for Lisa? And what if we did the same near where Alexander died? And near Narconon? And what if we did it with an escort of local and national media?

 

And while I'm asking what if, what if we did the same at Big Blue? And how many of us would it take to form a convoy and drive into the desert to the Hole with a spare van, and bullhorn at the compound a rolling invitation to Heber and anybody that wants to escape to come with us? How many would we have to be before the $ciborgs would be caved and let their prisoners go? 

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

 @BurytheNuts  @TickleMeXenu 70% Indies?  Really?  I wouldn't've said more than 50% now just because so many people have gotten interested in finding out what $cientoology is really up to, and right now TonyO's the only game in town.  But 70, I guess, why not? 

TickleMeXenu
TickleMeXenu

 @BurytheNuts Guess I should have been more clear. I was thinking in a more general sense, as in a survey which collects information regarding an individual's religious affiliation. Of the few thousand Scientologists estimated to be in the U.S, for example, how many do you think might be Scientologists?

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

 @FistOfXenu  @TickleMeXenu that was just a random guess based on what I "think " I see.

You may be a lot closer to correct, especially with all of the newer commenters ..(like me)

TickleMeXenu
TickleMeXenu

Ugh.... I really should have proofread my post a bit better. What  meant to say was: of the few thousand Scietologists estimated to be in the U.S. for example, how many do  you think may be Independents?

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