"Tom Cruise Worships David Miscavige Like a God": A Scientology Insider Gives First Full-Length Interview to the Voice

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I've spoken to John Brousseau numerous times over the past couple of years. In 2011, I reported about the photographs he smuggled out of Scientology's International Base east of Los Angeles which documented the work he did customizing a motorcycle, a Ford Excursion, and an airplane hangar for Tom Cruise while working for pennies an hour as a member of Scientology's "Sea Org."

More recently, it was Brousseau who helped me understand why Sea Org members believe that Scientology leader David Miscavige's wife Shelly was "disappeared" to a secret base in the mountains above Los Angeles.

But until now, I've never told Brousseau's entire story as a 32-year member of Scientology and the last person to escape from the International Base who is talking publicly about it.

In some ways, Brousseau's tale is one of the most remarkable to come out of the secretive organization, and one that parallels so much of Scientology's own development and controversies.

He and Miscavige were brothers in law. They were both young cameramen working for Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard during his movie-making phase. Brousseau was Hubbard's personal chauffeur and helped maintain the cloak of secrecy when Hubbard vanished for good. He watched Miscavige transform Scientology and turn its base into a prison camp. He worked for Tom Cruise, which included serving in the household with Cruise and Katie Holmes. And having worked closely with both Cruise and Miscavige, he has choice things to say about the nature of their relationship.

There are few people, in other words, more qualified to provide a front-row seat to what the Church of Scientology has been through since 1977. And this is his story.


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1. Telluride

For Christmas 2006, Tom Cruise took his family to a house that had been upgraded and transformed. It was his place in Telluride, Colorado, and he was there with his wife Katie Holmes, their eight-month-old daughter Suri, his mother, and his older children, Isabella and Connor.

There was also a full set of people working to make sure that everything went smoothly, as well as the man wrangling them, who had also overseen the house's upgrade. He was John Brousseau.

"I was making sure everything was beautiful and clean. I made sure the servants knew what they were doing. They had to learn how to make things go right without being visible -- I learned that from Miscavige. I would show the staff that it's not your job to bump into Tom in the hallway. It's your job to make sure everything's right, but be invisible. Anticipate his every move. You had to be there with a salt shaker before he even realized he needed it," he says.

"I was sitting there having meals with Tom and Katie and the family. It was like we were guests," he says.

I asked how the couple appeared to him. "They looked really terrific at that time. They were a hit, it was very evident to me. They were still gaga. At the end of the day, Suri was put to bed, Connor and Bella were in bed. Most of the help had gone home. I'd still be around. And Tom and Katie would go off on their own to chat. They seemed really genuinely happy," he says.

I asked Brousseau for his impression of Katie Holmes.

"Tom Cruise was the dream of her life since she was a little girl. The Church of Scientology wasn't. That was just glued on to the package. They put Jessica Rodriguez on her and she must have thought, what the fuck is happening? I didn't marry a person, I married an entourage."

Rodriguez -- born Jessica Feshbach -- was from a legendary family in Scientology. She became Katie's "handler," and was seen at every public appearance during those early years in the relationship. (We hear that Jessica is now gravely ill, and I've wondered if Jessica's absence was a factor in Katie's ability to secretly plan such a slick getaway from Cruise and the church.)

Brousseau left Scientology in 2010, but I asked him why he thought Katie acted the way she did when she surprised Cruise with her divorce filing.

"The maternal instinct kicked in. And Katie's parents pointed things out. And Katie had read shit. And Suri is six," Brousseau conjectures. "You don't fuck with a mother's child. She just figured the best thing was to yank her little girl out of there, and good for her."

Brousseau had first met Tom Cruise in 1991, when the young movie star had come to Int Base to learn how to audit. As Marc Headley explains in his book Blown For Good, Headley was chosen as a guinea pig for Cruise to experiment on. Brousseau says there were a couple of others as well.

While Cruise and Headley learned how to talk to ashtrays, Brousseau took care of Cruise's Porsche Speedster. And when Miscavige took Cruise to the base's shooting range, Brousseau helped out.

"I was the gun guy. I'd shoot the first couple of shells to make sure the gun wasn't going to blow up. Then I'd hand it to Tom."

Brousseau says this was also when he first got to work for Tom, the first of many jobs making or repairing things for the actor. "I got to customize a Bluebird motor home for him. It had custom hard surfaces and upholstery," he says. Another Sea Org member who was an audiophile made sure the vehicle had the latest hi fi equipment.

"Tom paid for everything. The church never bought stuff. When it came down to paying for stuff, Tom paid for it. But he didn't pay us," Brousseau says. As Sea Org members, Brousseau and the others who worked on Tom's vehicles and properties were paid only about $50 a week by the church, even though their hours could reach 100 a week.

After that initial encounter with Cruise at the Int Base in 1991, the actor made himself scarce, Brousseau says.

"He was with Nicole Kidman at the time. But then, he sort of fell away after that. He was gone from Scientology for like ten years. That's where Marty came in, to get him back in," he says.

As we've written numerous times, this was a secret that Cruise and the church managed to keep at the time: Nicole Kidman, after initially embracing Scientology, soured on Miscavige and pushed away from the church. For years, Cruise also maintained a distance, and wasn't auditing or going to events. But then, after Cruise and Kidman broke up at the beginning of 2001, Miscavige assigned Marty Rathbun the job of auditing Cruise and bringing him back into the fold. From 2001 to 2004, Rathbun helped turn Cruise into the most rabid of Scientologists.

During that period, Brousseau also began to work more closely with Cruise.

"In 2002, Marty was auditing him and getting him through his OT levels [Scientology's highest spiritual packages]. And I went to his house on Alpine Drive in Beverly Hills. I was put in charge of a complete overhaul of his house," Brousseau says. David Miscavige's wife, Shelly, was overseeing the project, and was pushing everyone to hurry.

Brousseau says Cruise had been impressed with the way Miscavige lived at his apartment in Hollywood. When Cruise complained that he couldn't get his own place and staff the way he wanted it, Miscavige reassured him that he'd take care of it.

"The result was people like me going and working for Tom, making his house perfect. We even landscaped the grounds, everything was transformed. I was the technical guy, directing people, getting the irrigation fixed, the windows, doors, gutters, even the light bulbs."

After doing many projects not only on Cruise's house, but also with his vehicles and his airport hangar in Burbank, Brousseau says he got to know the man pretty well.

"He's got more energy than the local grid. But he's not very smart," he says. "He has so much energy, and he always has to be doing something with somebody."

That's backed up by something a person who worked closely with Cruise for many years told me recently about watching him during his marriage to Kidman: "Tom can't be alone. He goes nuts if there's not someone else around him, someone he can bug about stuff. He'd walk around the house, saying 'Where's Nick? Where's Nick?' He was like a kid that way."

Hearing Brousseau talk about all the work he was doing around Cruise's Beverly Hills house in 2002, I had to ask: had Tom Cruise really been living in squalor before the Int Base crew arrived?

"It was bullshit," he says. Yes, they improved the place, but Cruise hadn't been living in a dump to begin with. "Why did it need to be done? It was Miscavige," he says.

Brousseau says he had ample opportunity to examine the two men up close. And it taught him that theirs was a very uneven relationship.

"It isn't the same both ways. Miscavige would throw Tom Cruise under a bus in a minute," Brousseau says. "But Tom thinks Miscavige is the greatest person in the world. He worships him like a god. Miscavige would pretend that Tom was his best friend, but you could see it was horseshit. Tom couldn't see it." (Miscavige has not given a public interview since he talked to Nightline in 1992.)

I asked another person who knew both men and who worked very closely with Miscavige for many years about Brousseau's claims about that uneven relationship. Mike Rinder left Scientology in 2007, but he had been the church's top spokesman and the executive director of its Office of Special Affairs, its intelligence and legal affairs wing.

"JB knows of which he speaks," Rinder says. "If Miscavige felt that Tom Cruise was no longer able to provide him things he wants -- access to big names in Hollywood, money, expensive gifts and star power -- Cruise would find himself in the same category as a Geoffrey Lewis or Michael Roberts, rating a polite, camera-posed handshake and 'Hi, how are you' when Miscavige visits Hollywood Celebrity Centre once a year for their annual 'gala.' No more 'insider' briefings or hanging out together at Telluride, no more special birthday parties and expensive gifts, no more Sea Org slave labor projects, no more staying in Miscavige's personal guest quarters at Int Base or using Dave's tanning bed. Tom would become like all the other pieces of gum on the bottom of Miscavige's hand-made John Lobb shoes, someone to be tolerated as a cost of doing business, but generally looked upon with disdain. And Cruise cannot see it, even though the evidence of every single person who has ever come close to Miscavige (with the exception of [Miscavige's 'communicator'] Laurisse Stuckenbrock) lays strewn in his wake like the victims of the Bataan Death March."

Brousseau was equally damning in his words about the way Miscavige uses and discards the people around him.

"There isn't a human being that David Miscavige admires," Brousseau says. Not L. Ron Hubbard, I asked him?

"No. He says he does, and I think he thinks he should. But I know he thinks everything he does is best, and if things get destroyed, someone else caused it. Miscavige actually thinks that Marty and I and the others are all a bunch of suppressives bent on destroying everyone including ourselves, and he's the only one who really knows what's going on, and he has to drive the whip to push humanity in the right direction."

After his Christmas with Tom and Katie and baby Suri in 2006, Brousseau saw them only occasionally.

Brousseau says he had bigger things to worry about. It had become, he says, the period of "Miscavige unplugged" as Int Base increasingly became a prison camp and more and more top executives were being "disappeared" -- at the same time that Tom Cruise was being hailed by Miscavige as the church's epitome of dedication.

"The only thing I have against Tom is that he accepted this shit."

Since he left Scientology, Brousseau has released photographs of the work he did for Tom Cruise -- work that was unpaid, and that some have used to argue that Cruise and Miscavige benefited from inurement -- enriching them in a way that violates Scientology's tax-exempt status.

"The reason I've released those photos is because I want Tom to wake up. I remember at the time, I was being told I was doing a good job on these things for him. But I was thinking, what the fuck am I doing? How the hell is this helping humanity? Why am I being flown to Telluride to be the babysitter for Connor and Bella? What the fuck was I doing?"


2. Berkeley

It was New Year's Eve, and John Brousseau had nowhere to go. At midnight, it would turn 1977, but the 20-year-old didn't have a date or a party to go to.

Bored, he called up an old high school friend to see what he was doing. The friend was going to a party, and asked Brousseau to go along. It turned out to be at Scientology's mission in Berkeley.

"They were friendly people. They weren't a bunch of druggies or weirdos. One person said, you should come back some time -- but he wasn't pushy about it. So I ended up going back and took the comm course, which was like 20 bucks back then. It had a few things I liked," he remembers.

Brousseau had been born in San Diego but grew up in the San Francisco Bay area. After high school, he was drifting. College wasn't really in the cards -- not only did he not have the money, but he didn't really know what he wanted to do with his life. He'd been working as a machinist in a safe manufacturing company. "It was gas money. I was standing at a milling machine getting covered with oil and metal chips," he says.

At first, his involvement in Scientology was modest. "I was going one or two nights a week, and then I dropped out for a few months." A change in his schedule made it tough to get to the Berkeley mission, which had limited hours. But then Brousseau realized that in San Francisco there was an "org" -- short for "organization," a Scientology facility that is bigger than a mission. It was open longer hours, and Broussau finished his comm course there.

"That's where a Sea Org recruiter approached me," he says. It didn't take much convincing to sign up. "I was tired of living with my mom and dad. I was bored. Let's go for it, I told the recruiter."

Looking back, Brousseau says he was ripe for recruitment because he was drifting and unassertive. "I'd really been into the sciences in high school. I figured I'd be a research chemist at a big company or something. But I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I can look back and tell the difference I saw in other kids my age was they were willing to stick their necks out and say what they were going to do. Other kids like me were getting recruited into the Marine Corps, the Navy, or a church, or the Sea Org. When someone comes to you with everything figured out you grab on to that. It's what you're used to," he says.

Brousseau was sent to Los Angeles for his Estates Project Force -- the Sea Org's version of a boot camp. After three months, he was sent to Clearwater, Florida for more EPF training.

"Then, somebody pulled me aside from the CMO -- the Commodore's Messengers Organization."

In the late 1960s, when L. Ron Hubbard was running Scientology from a small armada of ships sailing the Mediterranean and North Atlantic, on his flagship, the Apollo, he surrounded himself with young "messengers" -- mostly teenaged girls in halter tops and hot pants -- who tended to his every need and ran from place to place to deliver his messages, even trying to imitate the way he had said them. Once Scientology came back on land in 1975, the CMO became an elite unit inside the Sea Org, mostly of young people who tended to Hubbard's needs and carried a lot of responsibility.

"The guy from the CMO said, how'd you like to work with LRH and make movies? Sure, I said."

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easyDM
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How do Scientologists approach sex...?  I know it's a broad question, but when I read about cults or religious groups online, they is usually something about sexual rituals or initiations, group sex, or special favors for the leader. Not so with Scientology, which appears to wogs like me to be  almost anti-sex.

ezmereldastella
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This is fantastic....The countdown has started. I want to see Miscavige in a prison cell with a very tall,muscular cell-mate who LOVES little middle aged blond guys....

QuickInfo
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       Great article as always Tony, waiting for my daily fix so I stopped on over. Found this news piece from Friday and dont know if you covered it/Hopefully you are all aware of descent news.  I am sure its a combination of a lot of things, but a desion by the suits to PULL in the Master a month earlier.  Thought you guys would appreicate it it is a bit Off Topic: the Article is as follows

 

 You'll be able to see The Master a month earlier now

Hoping to bolster its already solid chances at getting some award-season recognition—and moving it up to before Tom Cruise finishes his ascension and makes everyone realize the folly of questioning Scientology, even in fictionalized form—The Weinstein Company has changed the release date of The Master from October 12 to September 14. Of course, the one less month you'll have to wait to see Paul Thomas Anderson and Philip Seymour Hoffman tear pseudo-religion a new one means one more month you'll have to wait to see Brad Pitt and James Gandolfini in the mob drama Killing Them Softly, which has now been moved to Oct. 19. But it also means fewer days to fill with studying cryptic teasers and posters and the full Master trailer

 

http://www.avclub.com/articles/youll-be-able-to-see-the-master-a-month-earlier-no,83074/

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torymagoo44
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 @QuickInfo Thanks for the info re "The Master"!  And this will be all over the USA (re the one month in advance)?

 

Also,  thank you, Tony O and JB for the great stories! I think some of my favorite stories, having been "in"  for 30 years, totally "loyal",

then woke up in 2000, and literally escaped out....are those about LRH, as SO much of his history was kept hush-hush as you so well describe.

 

I worked in what I call the OSA Int Top Secret Internet Mafia as an OT Volunteer---and they were SO into "OO7"...it was frightening. People *really* get off on that, and thus lose sight of what they are *really* doing. Anyways, thank you to both of you! I can't wait to read Part 2 :) You should *seriously* consider writing a book, John. I'm sure there's TONS more once you get going...and it's very interesting facts that few people can speak about. Hell, I bet you could write just a book on "The Last days of Hubbard" and it'd Rock. Or "What driving L Ron Hubbard around was *really* like". I'd buy it :) Think about it....:) Best, Tory/Magoo

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 @torymagoo44   

Hey Tory,  It is an honor to speak with you.

Re: The Master: yes, Harvey Wienstein Company pulled it in by a month to Friday September 14th.  I am sure there are a lot of reasons and factors behind this but the 2 main things  that come to my mind are  1) to capitialize on the popularity brought about by "the divorce" and 2) to swap it with the more violent mob drama Killing Them Softly due to its content and the fact that due to the tragic recent events in CO, audiences are souring on more violent movies.

it appears to be a strategy by the "suits" to put money on a very popular director (PTA) and Oscar Winning actors.  it is a caculated bet, and one that will hopefully pay off come Oscar season.  If you are unfamiliar with the back story of the Master, there is plenty on the internet,.  I will put it briefly that  PTA (Paul Thomas Anderson, director of Magnolia, etc) has been working on this for years, approx 3-4 and from some of the comments both here and other pop culture websites, PTA was fascinated by LRH and wanted to do an expose on American "Religions" .

I, and many other film geeks are looking forward for this since this is PTAs first film since the Award Winning There Will Be Blood (2007).  The trailers look amazzing.  It MIGHT only reach the "art" crowd at first, but if it gets support from the critical community, awards etc, than the masses will hopefully follow

This is the website from Variety.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118057163

 

Paul Thomas Anderson's 'Master' moved to Sept. 14Weinstein Company also pushes back 'Killing Them Softly' to Oct. 19

Paul Thomas Anderson's 'The Master,' originally scheduled for Oct. 12, will now be released Sept. 14.

Andrew Dominik's 'Killing Them Softly,' starring Brad Pitt, has been pushed back to Oct. 19.

The Weinstein Company is shuffling its awards-season deck, moving up Paul Thomas Anderson's Scientology-tinged religious drama "The Master" from Oct. 12 to Sept. 14 and pushing back Andrew Dominik's t  "Killing Them Softly" staring Brad Pit to Oct. 19.

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"The Master" figures to be a factor this awards season, with stars Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman expected to be major contenders for acting prizes, not to mention writer-director Anderson, who received multiple noms for his last pic, "There Will Be Blood."

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torymagoo44
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@torymagoo44  PS: JB:: I know you did TONS more than just driving Hubbard around...so please don't take offense at that. I heard a seminar out at UCLA last year and an author was speaking about how "Anyone can write a book". He really went on about how people LOVE to learn about a specific person's daily life. So that was just *one* of your many examples.

GerryArmstrong
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          In the above article, TO wrote: Armstrong had been a Sea Org member who had sailed on the Apollo with Hubbard;

 

Correct.

 

          TO wrote: he had later been assigned the job of gathering documents for an authorized biography of Hubbard that a professional writer was being hired to produce.

 

Not really. I petitioned Hubbard to gather documents for an authorized biography of him, and for other purposes. Hubbard granted my petition, so I was never assigned, not that it matters.

Maybe ten months after Hubbard approved my petition, a professional writer, Omar V. Garrison, was contracted to produce the biography.

 

          TO wrote: When Armstrong realized that original documents from Hubbard's life contradicted so much of what Hubbard and the church said about him, he spoke up about it and was kicked out of the Sea Org.

 

Nope. When I realized that original documents from Hubbard's life contradicted so much of what he and his Scientologist underlings said about him, I spoke up about it. In response, his key underlings, who were my immediate overlords, threatened me and brought me to consider escaping; but they did not kick me out of their cult. I accepted that Hubbard and Scientologists were not going to tell the truth and I blew, that is, escaped.

 

I was not kicked out of the Sea Org; I escaped. It is true that following my escape the Scientologists published a “Suppressive Person Declare” on me, which is their formalized kick-out from their cult. The SP declare is an available action in the Scientologists’ “noisy investigation” operations against people who might tell the truth about Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard.  I had spoken up, been threatened, and escaped, however, before Hubbard, et al. issued their SP Declare, or kicked me out.

 

Kicking me out after I’ve left is a bit of an impossibility. The Scientologists like to say they kicked me out, perhaps because it makes them feel at cause in the matter, where they obsessively want to be, apparently.

 

          TO wrote: He took those documents with him,

 

No. I wrote about this to your blog back in April. I actually submitted my comment twice, and saw it published. It was then deleted, fairly rapidly, let’s say within a minute. I’ve now posted this earlier comment on my own blog for ease of reference.  gerryarmstrong[dot]ca/ga/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ortega-gerry-documents-2012-04-20.pdf

 

Lawrence Wright got essentially the same thing wrong in his New Yorker piece last year about Paul Haggis. I still haven’t convinced The New Yorker, et al. that it’s in their best interest, as well as everyone else’s, to correct their errors. I sure hope you don’t dig in your heels as hard as Condé Nast’s spikes over such a small piece of ancient history.

 

There’s no excuse, because the Breckenridge decision is very clear, and was affirmed on appeal. The Scientologists’ whole war on me is brimming with divine irony, but that cannot be my fault.

 

          TO wrote: and was the subject of years of nasty litigation by the church.

 

Yes, Scientology litigation is nasty. And on August 2, I will have been the subject of Scientology litigation for 30 years.

 

          TO wrote: But his documents also formed the basis for books such as those by Miller and Atack.

 

The “Armstrong documents” certainly helped Miller, Atack, Corydon, and others. I did not, however, take these documents with me when I left the cult. When I needed them, which, history has shown, I did, Omar Garrison gave them to me.

 

God bless my friend Omar, who had his own moment on his own Damascus Road, or on his own way to murder Mohammed.

 

torymagoo44
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 @GerryArmstrong Yes, thank you for these corrections. I had always heard that you had copied the originals before you left, and *that* was what Scientology was SO furious about. Interesting that Omar gave them to you. :sigh: Isn't it amazing how once ONE thing is printed incorrectly, you can spend YEARS correcting people on it? I still have that, no matter how many times I've corrected people: I never posted on the Net for OSA: Never. But that's a common misunderstanding people have about me. Glad you corrected those, Gerry!

California
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 @GerryArmstrong Thanks for the corrections, Gerry.

 

But the last paragraph is a bit obtuse to me.  Do you care to elaborate?  I hope life is going well for you and yours.....

GerryArmstrong
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@California

The Damascus Road, of course, was where Paul is reported to have had the conversion that ended his persecution of the Christians. Scientologists’ Damascus Road incidents, should they happen, would end their persecution of someone or some group who did not deserve their persecution. Obviously ending the persecution of a class of people that a Scientologist has been persecuting throughout perhaps decades in Scientology is direction-changing, and potentially brain-changing. All Scientologists persecute the Suppressive Person class in one way or another. Since SPs are people who tell the truth about Scientology and Hubbard, the Scientologists persecute the people who would make them free, and persecute themselves.

Omar was named, so he said, after Omar Khayyám. But he also mentioned Omar ibn Al-Khattāb. For that matter he also mentioned Omar Sharif and Sydney Omarr. Well Omar ibn Al-Khattāb, then a big persecutor of Muslims, it is reported, had a major Damascus Road moment in 616 AD on his way to murder Mohammed. And he became Mohammed’s disciple and companion, and a huge expander of the faith. (The Sunni-Shia split, which has an apparent parallel in Scientology in the In-Out, Organized-Disorganized, Dependent-Independent split, is beyond Omar’s conversion and another discussion for another time and someone else.)

Our Omar realized that the Scientologists he had supported for several years were persecuting good people, even writers like himself. He called the Scientologists’ SP Declares, fair game, etc. evil, and he saw that all this persecution and evil was being done in service of a liar, and to keep the liar’s fraud working. When he knew that I was declared, and that the Scientologists had turned their well-heeled malevolence machine on me, he did a conscienceful thing, and gave me the available documents to defend myself against the persecutors.

I was just musing about the Omar. I’ll curb any tendency, in the available time, to cause any feeling of obtuseness in the people who might read me. You know, unless in defense of the persecuted class.

 

clausvonbulow
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What's really interesting is the lack of the die-hard, LRH tech is the only answer, steely eyed Scientologist intent on clearing the planet you have working at INT, alongside DM, in the form of John Brousseau. Hell he was a kid who had only done the Comm course then ends up in the SO being a chauffeur for LRH, because he like having young gullible kids to do his bidding and listen to his BS. It's almost like John just got "stuck" in this crazy world and stayed because his other options weren't so great or didn't have any particular goals to begin with - not because he was some brainwashed true believer. I'm sure for many years it was more fun playing cloak and dagger games, running a ranch with no interference but reliable money, hanging out with Tom Cruise...better than the alternative of getting some dead end job. He stayed because he liked having someone giving him direction in life because he didn't have the innate drive to map out his own route. It was more like an extended adolescence - he didn't have to grow up and take the reigns of his own life, just let the SO do it for him. I'm sure had the RPF and prison camp mentality not taken hold he might still be there for lack of a more attractive alternative in life. I wonder how many others are at high levels in the SO are in a similar boat? It's quite a departure from the true believer, die hards most people seem to believe occupy INT. (Hell, Marc Headley was another similar case - just a kid without a lot of options or family support who got swept up into the mad world of the SO and Gold/ INT) How many remain trapped in INT not because "they believe" but because "they fear" what life holds for them outside the razor wire? This may hold true for many in the SO in general. I think back to so many stories from former SO -how many were just kids who had little to no experience with the tech, or who's parents were true believers and they were shipped off to the SO based on the parents belief, not their own? It's scary to think how many are probably trapped in the SO not due to their own choices, but more due to going with the flow, doing as they are told, pleasing others, fear of not knowing what to do in the wog world. Sheep trying to please to the slaughter. Independent thought and goals in life outside the cult are the biggest threats to the INT, not FBI raids. Fear of the unknown is much stronger than the devil you know. I do wonder what John's thinking towards Scientology is like now? We know he went to Marty when he escaped, and he gives token defenses of LRH in the interview, but he's certainly not been an indie cheerleader.

chuckbeatty77
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 @clausvonbulow 

 

I think you nailed a lot.    But Prof Kent wrote "From Slogans to Mantras" and that fit a few who got suckered and stayed as long as they did, Jeff Hawkins is a good example.

 

Lots were "seeker" types, I thought "out of the body" was real, too much acid and Carlos Castaneda books on "flying" and then Ram Dass and Theosophy crap, astral walking, myself, the big leg Scientology stood on in my eyes was their orderly step by step procedures to produce "out of the body" guaranteed.   Other groups selling the same hallucination (didn't know it was at the and didn't want to admit it was all hokey once in).

 

If people are souls, jammed into their skulls, and Hubbard's pseudo therapy pops one out, and one can fly around like Creation of Human Ability procedure called the Grand Tour, then okay.

 

It's pretty obvious that this is a scam to most everyone on earth, but I fell into the dupe side on that one.  

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 @clausvonbulow 

 

Sort of "waiting for my own personal halllucination" that convinces me Hubbard's craziness is real, and playing along because so many other people seem to believe it.  

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 @clausvonbulow

 

paragraph  - noun

 

(in a piece of writing) one of a series of subsections each usually devoted to one idea and each usually marked by the beginning of a new line, indentation, increased interlinear space, etc

SvenBoogie
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I find it sad how, through the entire piece, he still seems to blame little davey miscarriage for everything, and can't see that the grand midget is just a symptom of the giant scam LRH built. It seems blind, unquestioning LRH worship is something even those who escape from the 'church' itself have an incredibly hard time getting past. 

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @SvenBoogie It seems the main difference is that LRH was a charismatic, creative, power-hungry, crazy cult-creating asshole with major anger management issues, whereas Mister Cabbage Head is just an crazy power-hungry asshole with anger management issues. Minus the charisma and the creativity and whatever wacko occult hypnotic juju Elwrong had going on.I suspect Mister Cabbage Head is also stuck in Elwrong's rabbit hole and can't get out of the mindscrew. He's been in since, what, 12?

ezmereldastella
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 @SvenBoogie What's with everyone criticising exiting members?....People joined scientology because they wanted to better themselves and help mankind....They got brainwashed,revealed some stuff that they could be blackmailed with and got trapped....Those in the first 5 -10 years of their exiting are still in recovery and dont see everything as those who have never been in...GO EASY ON THEM!!! They have been brave in ways many will never have to be...

chuckbeatty77
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 @SvenBoogie 

 

There are so many illegitimate aspects ot Hubbard's Scientology, that us exiting members, don't necessarily realize all that is wrong with it, all at once.

 

There will naturally be this hodge-podge gradient of willingness to say what of the whole mess is immoral and a scam, or whatever.  

 

There are multiple "legs" that the Hubbard movement stands on, and not every leg gets knocked out in a person's mind as they discuss and notice what's wrong.

 

 

FistOfXenu
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@chuckbeatty77@SvenBoogie This is why I feel as though from time to time it's good to repost something I've started calling the Bridge to Freedom from $cientoology. I took it from Arnie Lerma's site (http://www.lermanet.com/cos/8steps.html) and cleaned up a bit because there's more than one version there. He got it from someplace else, I think. Here it is: 

 

1) There is something wrong here, if this is so great, then why is (______) going on? [ insert whatever atrocity you have witnessed ]

 

2) The guys at the top must be crazy

 

3) Miscavige and crew are evil demons from another dimension 

[ or something similar ]

 

4) Hubbard went crazy at the end .....

 

5) Hubbard went crazy in 1966

 

6) Hubbard was mad from the start.

 

7) This whole thing is a complete fraud

 

8) my god, it's a criminal organization... with criminal convictions all over the world... and it was only about money

 

9) realization that THERE ARE NO OT's THERE!

 

10) realizing, after leaving Scientology, this makes one an ex-nazi and wanting to do something about it

 

 

At some point this could be worth a discussion of its own. It could fit nicely with what's turning out to be a realization that the morality of being an ex-member can be complicated.  Meantime, it's good to remember, this is what people deal with when they leave the cult and after, and they go at different speeds. They get bogged down and sometimes they don't finish the journey. 

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

An off-topic question : I can see that some people make their profiles anonymous. How can I do it?

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @MariannaP. Log out of Livefyre. Log on as Anonymous. You can use whatever account name you want with an Anonymous account (like I'm doing). I don't want OSAtrolls to find me.

media_lush
media_lush

 @MariannaP. just create a twitter account with a safe/new email account and you can log in via twitter here

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

 @media_lush 

I don't use twitter, don't like it...

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

 @AndrewRobertson 

I was just wondering, cause I see that some people do it....how? Can't get it. Livefyre is definitely not for me, lol...

AndrewRobertson
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 @MariannaP.  If you want to post anonymously, clean out the cookies in your browser and don't log on again to whatever account you previously used.

 

Then look at the options, create a new identity, for example, 'Fred Jones, dairy farmer, Wanganui, New Zealand' and there you are! 

 

18,996 km from Paris, gumboot clad and up at 5 am to milk the cows.  How more anonymous could you be!

 

 

 

DodoTheLaser
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 @MariannaP. Comment without logging into your Livefyre account.

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

 @DodoTheLaser 

Uh? I log in with my FB account, which do I chose then? I create a VV account?

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @MariannaP. Anonymous is at the very, very bottom. You have to look for it. Make sure you log out of Livefyre FIRST. There's a link you can click on. It's an extra step, but then you're in with your anon account til you log out (as whatever name you want).

media_lush
media_lush

@MariannaP. You don't have to "use" twitter at all. It's takes about a minute to set up your account. If you don't follow anyone or post it's pretty much redundant for you but it does allow you to post in numerous forums right off the bat. As long as you remember your twitter name and password you'll never have to use or see a tweet ever.

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

When I want to post something there is a choice between FB, Twitter, Google, VV accounts..hmmm...which one is anonymous?

DodoTheLaser
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Sign off of FB and everything else. Then post comments anonymously.

 

POWER
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I appreciate all the truth and honesty in this article but don't understand how all the red-flag on David Miscavige was so ignored by those who were so close to him, ie: JB?   Why would anyone allow this monster to get to power?  JB, I am very glad you freed yourself, but for God sake why flew so much power to this ass hole and let him get away with all the out-points when you saw them even while LRH was alive?????????

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @POWER As someone who has endured bad bosses...I understand. There's a lot people endure for job security. Or a cause. Or a cause plus job security (doubleplusgood).  And if everyone around you is conditioned to accept it, and you're young, and you don't know anything else...It certainly was a red flag that the older people who visited their kid raised an alarm. The young adults, green to the working world, didn't know better. Exploitable.  That's just my take on it.

NorwoodPartz
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@POWER You mean flow power as in Hubbard's PINK LEGS HCOPL? Scientology was nuts long before Miscavige came along. The people around Hubbard were yes men. They has been subjected to Hubbard's brainwashing tech. *Then* Miscavige came along. Connect the dots dude.

MariannaP.
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 @POWER 

Well, there was nobody to let him, he took it himself. At the end of hubbard's life  the cult and hubbard's positions were weakened by several lawsuits and investigations, he was distanced from the cult's affairs partly to protect himself partly because he was losing the control over it. At that time there were several challengers inside the cult as well as defectors who wanted to start a "new" church of scientology. miscavige was apparently the most intelligent one and he destroyed (the word is well chosen) all his opponents one by one and took it all.

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @MariannaP. Maybe not the most intelligent of the Hubbardian successors, was Miscarriage, but definitely the most ruthless and cloak-and-daggery. He definitely learned well from his master. The apple didn't fall far from the tree there. Bad fruit from a bad tree...

PoisonIvy
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 @MariannaP. Note to Tony and those here who were on the inside - I'd be fascinated to read a blow-by-blow account of exactly how Miscaviage seized total power.

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

 @ClamOnAHalfshell Of course they are.  And anybody's eligible for R2-45 "auditing".  Sorry, I was indulging in rhetorical questions there.  My point was that there are stories to be told behind DM's coup-d'etat, and we won't hear them until the people who know the answers tell us. 

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @FistOfXenu Anyone's declarable, anyone's Fair Game. Quentin Hubbard was unceremoniously dumped out of an airplane with no funeral, 'disposed of quietly and without sorrow.' L. Ron Hubbard Jr. was Fair Gamed. That's how the game is played in Scientology land. Only the ruthless survive.

FistOfXenu
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 @PoisonIvy  @MariannaP. So would we all. There are unanswered questions about certain parts of it. How you answer those questions partly depends on how cynical you feel. Inclined to think there isn't anything DM wouldn't do? Then maybe you wonder if LRH really committed suicide. Inclined to think the old man really was at cause over everything? Then probably you accept that he "dropped his MEST body because it wasn't useful anymore". 

 

And it goes on and on. How come the Broekers were named successors but ended up as SPs? LRH named Dave Mayo to be in charge of Tech until LRH reincarnated, so why was Mayo declared and made the big bad squirrel? A lot of the steps in that blow by blow account are unclear or controversial. 

 

My hope is as more people leave we'll get more of the pieces to the puzzle until we can put it all together. 

MariannaP.
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 @POWER It's like politics, you see...the fight over the power. There's nothing democratic or innocent about it.

KareNotMyFault
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 @POWER  Hubbard was old and for all practical purposes confined.  Broeker was basically trapped also, as he was stuck with Hubbard.  JB was somewhat passive. He as much as admits it from the beginning of this story. At least he wasn't ambitious.  Miscavige had mobility.  looks like he made a deal with Broeker, to act as Hubbard's proxy or get the LRH seal, then cut him out once his command structure was solid.   It was always a finite business. It is a matter of money and law and buying people.  The win goes to whoever hustles and has a plan.

I'd guess Miscavige initially exhibited a lot of loyalty  to get into Hubbards top ten sycophants

 

All my opinions are guesswork btw based on my view of typical human nature when humongous amounts of cash are in the balance.

NorwoodPartz
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@KareNotMyFault @POWER Hubbard was not that old, and he was *not* confined. Hubbard chose to isolate himself. He was a coward and afraid of being held accountable for his actions and orders. Miscavige is more On-Source that you think. Source was a sadistic nut too.

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @NorwoodPartz   Source was not that old, but Source was in poor health, and nutty as a fruitcake. He was afraid of the US government holding him accountable for his actions. That's why he first fled to England, then to sea. At sea he could be subject to no government, which is what he wanted. A little empire for himself, accountable to no one.

Jean
Jean

 @POWER 

 

What would you have recommended, had you been in the same situation? 

 

Would you have executed Miscavige's henchmen?

POWER
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 @Jean   if I would be in a situation like this where I saw all the out points, most likely I would have removed myself from the situation or made all these weird meetings between Pat and David known to LRH somehow.  Not blaming anyone.   We should all be aware of all those red-flags in our life when we see them.  I guess, it is just live and learn, Right?  

wwwRESEARCHcom
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 @POWER I would start my research with,  Scientology sea org, fair game. That should get you started.

Once you start to see how they operate, then it will help you more when you come back here. I have been lurking around here for a couple of weeks now and I must say, I am learning more all of the time! 

MariannaP.
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 @POWER 

No. That entire cult and all that people were a HUGE RED FLAG. 

melonslice
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 @POWER  @Jean Power, you obviously don't know much about this dangerous cult or David Miscavige.  I would recommend researching the subject further if it interests you.  Reading through the Village Voice archives is a great place to start!

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