"Tom Cruise Worships David Miscavige Like a God": A Scientology Insider Gives First Full-Length Interview to the Voice

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John Brousseau, with an early catch
5. Newberry Springs

For the next six years, until his death on January 24, 1986, Hubbard would be tended to by the Broekers and a few other people, and the rest of Scientology -- and the public and press -- never knew his whereabouts or his condition. But word did pass back and forth between Hubbard and Scientology, and Brousseau was part of that, too.

When Hubbard had information to pass to Scientology's international management, Pat Broeker would notify David Miscavige and John Brousseau by paging them.

"It was usually in the middle of the night. We had to then be at a predesignated pay phone -- there were seven of them, depending on the day of the week, in places like Riverside and San Bernardino," he says.

At the pay phone, a coded conversation would take place. "Baseball" or "football" were words that indicated a certain all-night restaurant or parking lot. And then Miscavige and Brousseau would go there and wait for Pat Broeker to show up with a man named Steve Pfauth, who was known as "Sarge."

"Sarge and I were excluded. Broeker and Miscavige would spend hours talking," Brousseau says.

By the time of the secret go-betweens with Broeker, Brousseau and Miscavige had become brothers-in-law. Brousseau had met Clarisse Barnett in La Quinta in 1978. Clarisse's younger sister, Michelle, was known as Shelly. "We got together two years before Miscavige and Shelly did. Shelly seemed like a nice, smart girl."

At their secret meetings, Pat Broeker and David Miscavige would talk about Hubbard's instructions for people in international management, and Broeker would bring a ream of typewritten instructions.

"I'm wondering what they were talking about. I'm falling asleep. Sarge and I are on our ninth cup of coffee, about to puke from the acid. What the hell are they talking about? I didn't know."

But occasionally, there would be instructions for Brousseau.

Brousseau was faithfully taking care of Hubbard's cars at Int Base. "He had a 1964 International Scout that I bought for him at X. He really dug it. He said it reminded him of the old Land Rovers he'd driven in Africa. He had a '68 Cadillac DeVille convertible. He really dug cars. And guns. He mostly had little hand guns. Gold filigreed and engraved. They were collectors' pieces.

"I would package them up and Pat Broeker would take them. I was getting communications from LRH from Broeker. I had this little secret line from LRH. I was taking care of his vehicles and taking care of his guns. And I was a nut case, arriving with Miscavige at all hours to meet Broeker, two or three times a week."

Then in 1983, he remembers, word came from Broeker that Brousseau needed to get some special vehicles ready.

"They wanted a big ass motor home to put together a convoy for the road. I had to pay $125,000 cash for a Bluebird motor home and customize it. I also had to buy a Datsun 4-wheel pickup, with a camper shell and with a mobile kitchen, so the cooking for LRH would not happen in his bus. The motor home was for LRH to live in, towing the 4-wheel drive. Annie was supposed to drive that. For Pat I bought a big dually pickup, a 1983 white cowboy truck. Then I had custom made a 40-foot fifth-wheel trailer. It was literally a rolling wardrobe. It was a whole convoy of vehicles. I spent six months getting the trailer custom made in Indiana, at Kountry Aire RV. I ended up putting it all in storage units in the Redlands area. I would have to go every couple of weeks and wash them and wax the motor home. I'd have to start them up and drive them around the block to keep them alive," he says.

Then, one day, he was told it was time to mobilize the convoy. Broeker came and picked up the Bluebird with its Datsun pickup in tow, and then the next day came back for the dually with its trailer.

Brousseau was then given another mission. Broeker told him to find a ranch property as a backup plan to whatever Hubbard was doing in seclusion.

"I looked all around Southern California, talking to realtors. I found some nice prospects. But then Broeker said he had found something. It was in Newberry Springs, near Barstow. It was a perfectly square, flat piece of desert, 12 and a half acres. Isn't this great, he said? I was looking at places backed up against mountains, really nice places. This place had a house and some falling-apart trailers. A little lake with some catfish. Well, we bought it, and I became the caretaker. From 1983, I lived there as 'Jim Dudley.' Clarisse became 'Claire'."

Never knowing if the Broekers might suddenly show up with Hubbard, the "Dudleys" built up the ranch near Barstow.

"Pat Broeker started bringing up horses and chickens, and I got used to building ranch buildings and corrals. I had almost no connection with the church. I hardly ever went to Int Base. I was just living out in yahoo land under an assumed name. I was given cash to buy things. I learned to slaughter a steer and pigs, and how to pluck chickens. I didn't know what this had to do with the Church of Scientology, but it was kind of fun. I was a rancher in the Mojave Desert, and I really made the place shine."

I asked him to estimate the livestock on the ranch: 8 to 10 horses, 15 to 20 cattle, 15 to 20 sheep and goats, 12 pigs, 25 turkeys, a couple dozen chicken and ducks.

"It was quite an experience. I don't know what purpose it served. LRH never showed up. I was still taking care of the place when I heard he'd died...I found out later that LRH had been living in the Newport/Costa Mesa area after leaving X, and then they went mobile and traveled a bit. I don't know where they traveled. And then they ended up in Creston. They stayed there until LRH died in 1986."

Hubbard spent the last couple of years of his life at a ranch in Creston, California, inland and north of San Luis Obispo.

"I didn't know he was there until a week after he died," Brousseau says. "I went up to the Creston property. I ended up working both of the ranches. Creston had been undergoing a renovation program when he died. I got roped into helping to finish the place. For three more years, until 1989, I took care of both places. Then Miscavige decided he didn't want me there anymore, and he yanked me back to Int Base Transport."

After six years as a Mojave Desert rancher, Jim Dudley became John Brousseau again, and he was back to taking care of cars at the base. But now, he says, the place was changing.


6. Gilman Hot Springs

"I didn't really like it. Miscavige was starting to wield his Nazi-like hand. There was the big flood, for example, you've heard of that, right?" Brousseau refers to something Marc Headley, another former base worker, wrote about in his book Blown For Good, when a sudden downpour caused a mudslide in the base.

"Everyone was dripping wet, and Miscavige was yelling at everyone that it was their fault it had rained so much and so quickly," he says. "How is this my fault, I wondered. But you struggle in your mind, trying to figure out how he's right. And you don't dare yell out that he's wrong. If you did, you'd get murdered by the rest of them.

"You just learned to shut the fuck up."

To help me understand the David Miscavige that he knew, he tells me a series of anecdotes about the man that he personally witnessed. For the first, he takes me back to 1981.

In July of that year, L. Ron Hubbard had vanished and his wife, Mary Sue, had become a liability to Scientology. She had been convicted for her part in Operation Snow White, and would go to prison two years later. It was decided that Scientology needed to distance itself from Mary Sue and the Guardian's Office she ran, which was disbanded.

It was Miscavige who was selected to deliver the news to her. Brousseau went along.

"I wired him and two other people with radio microphones and sat in a van outside the hotel where Miscavige was meeting Mary Sue. It was very Mission Impossible, sitting in that van with reel-to-reel recorders, let me tell you. And I think it was actually illegal in California, which is a two-party state," he says.

"I had three people wired. I was just sitting there, with my big old headphones with a banana plug, plugging it into one reel-to-reel and then another to make sure they were all working," he says.

"I heard some of it. I remember Mary Sue was vehemently opposed to Miscavige, and accused him of trying to take over. She screamed at him. He told her she had to resign, and she crumbled," he says.

There was little question, Brousseau says, that Hubbard himself had known at least the general outline of what the Guardian's Office had been up to during Operation Snow White.

"Here's this woman, his wife, doing everything she can in his own best interest -- she was trying to get the government off her husband's back. She was trying to be the loyal wife. And she and a bunch of other people got nailed for it," he says.

"I think she was used as a scapegoat, and Miscavige was making sure that was the case."

For his second anecdote, Brousseau skips ahead a year, to 1982.

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David Miscavige, announcing the death of L. Ron Hubbard to his fellow Scientologists, 1986
"I'm at the Int Base, he and I are married to sisters -- Miscavige and Shelly have been married maybe a year. We got a liberty -- this was back when Sea Org members got a day off. Since he's my fucking brother in law, we decide, let's the four of us drive up to Lake Hemet near Idyllwild. Because it's spring, a beautiful day, the air is alive with butterflies and birds and bugs -- let's go fishing," he says.

"I get four fishing rods and we go up there. We walk along this little path among the ferns and trees on the shore of the lake. We find a shaded beach area, and I'm showing these guys how to fish for trout. We put salmon eggs on a small hook. I tell them how to cast it out, let it sink, and then sit here and wait. I explained how the trout live, and how they'll eventually come by and swallow the egg and we'll catch them. The girls are laughing and talking, and we're all a few feet apart. But I noticed that Miscavige was sort of sitting by himself.

"He was shaking, and his teeth were gritted. He was looking at me with a scowl, and was starting to shake his head. I wondered if he was having some kind of palsy freakout. But then he started yelling at me. I remember exactly what he said...

"Are you fucking kidding me, JB? This is it? This is how you fucking fish? You just sit here and wait? I feel like jumping in the water and shoving the hook in the fish's mouth!"

Brousseau laughs at the memory. "OK, so fishing wasn't for him. And that's what he thinks about anything in life. You can't just let it do what it's going to do. You have to grab it and shove it down its throat."

For a third anecdote, he takes me to 1986, and the death of Hubbard at the Creston ranch property.

"I was with Miscavige when he went like ballbusters up to Creston. He ordered the Broekers separated, and he wanted to question Pat Broeker. But Pat has this big Akita, snarling and barking and howling at Miscavige and Norman Starkey. I grabbed the dog and dragged it out so they could keep yelling at Broeker," he says.

"Later, I'm walking with Miscavige, just the two of us. He says, 'Broeker thinks I want to be king. Broeker wanted to be king. I don't want to be king. I'm just the guy who has to crack the whip and make people do what they're supposed to be doing.' That's how he sees himself."

(In the early 1980s, Hubbard had ordered a complex reorganization of Scientology's byzantine corporate structure which appeared to put in a series of checks and balances between its top entities. He also appeared to anoint Pat and Annie Broeker as his most trusted aides and the logical successors to run the church after his death. But Miscavige maneuvered the Broekers out of that spot and rules Scientology with unquestioning sole power today, seemingly ignoring the church's corporate structure.)

For a fourth anecdote about Miscavige, Brousseau brings me to 1994. "I was acting as his personal bodyguard on the Freewinds, and we had stopped in Aruba. We had run into a black-skinned Aruban guy who looked like he was blown out on speed. He was six foot tall and just skin and bones. The guy was in bad shape. And Miscavige said, 'Look at that guy, he's in his native state.' If you understand LRH philosophy, you know that 'native state' means 'unencumbered with aberration and engrams' -- in other words, a good thing. But Miscavige thinks 'native state' means the opposite."

If Hubbard believed that all men and women are, at their core, essentially good, Miscavige believed the opposite, Brousseau claims.

"If there's an antichrist, then Miscavige is the anti-Hubbard."


7. Happy Valley

Five years after he'd been a Mojave Desert rancher named Jim Dudley, Brousseau was taken off his job taking care of automobiles at Int Base for a new assignment.

At the time, 1994, there had been a serious security breach involving Scientology's computer systems, called INCOMM, at the big administrative headquarters in Los Angeles.

"My job was to do a lockdown of the INCOMM office. I had to put in all kinds of security measures, and weed through the staff to see who was loyal. Gary Morehead was head of security on that," he says. Morehead ran the Int Base's security for many years, and most people knew him by his code name, "Jackson."

"If there was anyone on the base I could trust, it was JB. That's why I brought him in to that mission," Morehead tells me.

From that job, Brousseau was moved into a job as an internal security officer in the Religious Technology Center -- RTC was the controlling entity of Scientology led by Miscavige, who is known as RTC's "Chairman of the Board," or "COB."

Part of Brousseau's job was to incarcerate people who turned out to be security risks.

"So for example, I was in charge of Maureen Bolstad being incarcerated at the OGH [Old Gilman House, an aging structure on the periphery of Int Base]. I hated that job," he says.

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The north end of the International Base -- the Old Gilman House is to the upper right

"I did that job from 1995 to 1997. Three years. It was the most painful job I had in the Sea Org. We were keeping people locked up at OGH, having them sec checked every day," he says, referring to "security checking," an interrogation technique that involved using the e-meter as a kind of lie detector while subjects were pressed to make confessions of their "crimes" against the organization -- as well as their sexual transgressions, all of which were recorded.

For some it was too much. And Brousseau and Jackson had to be on the lookout for people who were tempted to blow -- Scientology's word for escape.

"When people would blow, we ran the blow drill. We'd have all their bank account and credit card and debit card information. You knew everything about these people," Brousseau says. "So you'd call Wells Fargo and pretend to be those people, and you'd ask, what was the last use of my credit card? Then you'd find out that this guy had just checked into a hotel room in Sacramento. So you'd call the local office and fax them a photo of the person, then you'd be driving people 90 miles an hour to the airport to get them there," he says. "If you used a credit card, we'd be on you in minutes. They have private investigators who are ex-FBI and ex-CIA who know how to get into systems and track people down. I saw some of it because it was part of my job for some of the time. And I hated it. It tore me up."

By then, he had been divorced and remarried. "Clarisse and I got divorced in 1993. I don't blame that on the church. That was our own personal thing. We were married for 16 years, and then we ended it amicably."

Then, while he was still in the RTC, he met Deidre Assam.

"We were both in the RTC, and Miscavige's rule was, if you were in the RTC, you could only marry someone else in the RTC. Deidre was Polynesian. She was tall and gorgeous," he says.

If his marriage was solid, his confidence in his job wasn't. The incarcerations were getting to him, and then he made the mistake of saying something about it. As punishment, he was sent to the Old Gilman House for a three month stay.

"It was atrocious. People were getting busted out of RTC and sent to the OGH all the time. You had to admit that you were a Suppressive Person. And you had to admit that anything you had ever done in your life was crap. Then you could reeducate yourself as a real human being. That started with stupid courses on stuff like personal grooming, how to tie your shoes," he says.

Brousseau says he hated the reeducation courses, but he got through them passably so that he could leave the Old Gilman House and made it back to the base's motor pool.

"Then suddenly, Miscavige wanted a bulletproof van. He has it to this day. A white GMC Savanna van. [It was later painted black.] I spent time making it bullet and bomb proof. We totally decked this thing out. It looked like an executive limo, even though it was a van. It weighed 15,000 pounds because of all the bulletproofing," he says.

"Miscavige was coming down every day to see it, and he didn't understand that when you do a job like that, you tear things apart to put them back together again. He would say, 'This looks worse than yesterday!' Um, yeah, we were tearing it down. Well, he sent Norman Starkey down to check on me. I got sec checked, and I really unleashed about how I was treated at the Old Gilman House. I just cut loose. And that was it," he says.

It was early 1998, and for the next three years, John Brousseau became a prisoner of the Rehabilitation Project Force.

He was physically escorted to the Happy Valley ranch property, which was about nine miles away. He asked to speak with his wife, Deidre, but was told that she was busy.

"Three fucking years," he says. Happy Valley's RPF was "like a concentration camp," Brousseau says, but he adds that it wasn't all bad. Although he was isolated from his wife, he spent much of his time reading.

"I read the LRH books on RPF. Once you're on the RPF, you're out of Miscavige's mind. So I thought, OK, I'm finally going to learn Scientology. I learned how to audit."

The schedule at Happy Valley was strict, he says. "You slept in a dorm. Meals lasted 15 minutes. You ran everywhere. You couldn't originate any communications with regular staff. It was like a Marine Corps boot camp. You can't read newspapers or magazines. There is no television. You'd have five hours of study time at the end of each day, then boom, time to quit. Five or ten minutes for a smoke, and then lights out. There were two RPF guys assigned to security to make sure nobody blew. You're just living this kind of puritan life and you're there to toil and atone. We were building sets for the Cine Org. I learned how to make a floor or a wall look like rock. It was Hollywood stuff," he says.

"For three years, I never saw Deidre. I wrote her letters. They were censored, so you could only write happy talk. I'd ask if she could send a Christmas card to my mom and dad for me. If you actually wrote that you weren't doing well, it wouldn't get to her. You had no privacy," he says.

"I spent Y2K on the RPF," he remembers. On that momentous New Year's Eve, he says, everyone had to be in bed by 10 pm.

Then, in 2001, helicopters started showing up. Someone was trying to get a look at the conditions in Happy Valley. Was it reporters? No one was sure.

"Miscavige put out instructions to disband the place."

There had been about 70 people on the RPF at Happy Valley, Brousseau remembers. "Maybe 12 went back to Int Base. I was one of them. Then they told me they wanted me back in the RTC."

Brousseau was shocked. But Miscavige had another big project that wasn't going well, and it was the kind of thing Brousseau had handled in the past.

He was made estates manager for Building 50, where RTC's own offices were.

"I got checked out on an e-meter to make sure that I had no animosity for Miscavige or Shelly. Somehow I got through that. Then boom, I'm back."

Tom DeVocht, another how-to guy management relied on, showed Brousseau what he needed help on -- signage at the new building. Brousseau handled it so well, soon Miscavige was relying on him to keep Building 50 itself in top condition. Brousseau trained up two assistants who are taking care of Building 50 to this day.

And now, Brousseau was so completely back in Miscavige's good graces, he once again was trusted to help out Tom Cruise.

Continued in part two.



See also:
Scientology's president and the death of his son: our complete coverage
What Katie is saving Suri from: Scientology interrogation of kids
Scientology's new defections: Hubbard's granddaughter and Miscavige's dad
Scientology's disgrace: our open letter to Tom Cruise
Scientology crumbling: An entire mission defects as a group
Scientology leader David Miscavige's vanished wife: Where's Shelly?
Neil Gaiman, 7, Interviewed About Scientology by the BBC in 1968
The Master Screenplay: Scientology History from Several Different Eras
And a post that pulls together the best of our Scientology reporting

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As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and was sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

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easyDM
easyDM

How do Scientologists approach sex...?  I know it's a broad question, but when I read about cults or religious groups online, they is usually something about sexual rituals or initiations, group sex, or special favors for the leader. Not so with Scientology, which appears to wogs like me to be  almost anti-sex.

ezmereldastella
ezmereldastella

This is fantastic....The countdown has started. I want to see Miscavige in a prison cell with a very tall,muscular cell-mate who LOVES little middle aged blond guys....

QuickInfo
QuickInfo

       Great article as always Tony, waiting for my daily fix so I stopped on over. Found this news piece from Friday and dont know if you covered it/Hopefully you are all aware of descent news.  I am sure its a combination of a lot of things, but a desion by the suits to PULL in the Master a month earlier.  Thought you guys would appreicate it it is a bit Off Topic: the Article is as follows

 

 You'll be able to see The Master a month earlier now

Hoping to bolster its already solid chances at getting some award-season recognition—and moving it up to before Tom Cruise finishes his ascension and makes everyone realize the folly of questioning Scientology, even in fictionalized form—The Weinstein Company has changed the release date of The Master from October 12 to September 14. Of course, the one less month you'll have to wait to see Paul Thomas Anderson and Philip Seymour Hoffman tear pseudo-religion a new one means one more month you'll have to wait to see Brad Pitt and James Gandolfini in the mob drama Killing Them Softly, which has now been moved to Oct. 19. But it also means fewer days to fill with studying cryptic teasers and posters and the full Master trailer

 

http://www.avclub.com/articles/youll-be-able-to-see-the-master-a-month-earlier-no,83074/

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GerryArmstrong
GerryArmstrong

          In the above article, TO wrote: Armstrong had been a Sea Org member who had sailed on the Apollo with Hubbard;

 

Correct.

 

          TO wrote: he had later been assigned the job of gathering documents for an authorized biography of Hubbard that a professional writer was being hired to produce.

 

Not really. I petitioned Hubbard to gather documents for an authorized biography of him, and for other purposes. Hubbard granted my petition, so I was never assigned, not that it matters.

Maybe ten months after Hubbard approved my petition, a professional writer, Omar V. Garrison, was contracted to produce the biography.

 

          TO wrote: When Armstrong realized that original documents from Hubbard's life contradicted so much of what Hubbard and the church said about him, he spoke up about it and was kicked out of the Sea Org.

 

Nope. When I realized that original documents from Hubbard's life contradicted so much of what he and his Scientologist underlings said about him, I spoke up about it. In response, his key underlings, who were my immediate overlords, threatened me and brought me to consider escaping; but they did not kick me out of their cult. I accepted that Hubbard and Scientologists were not going to tell the truth and I blew, that is, escaped.

 

I was not kicked out of the Sea Org; I escaped. It is true that following my escape the Scientologists published a “Suppressive Person Declare” on me, which is their formalized kick-out from their cult. The SP declare is an available action in the Scientologists’ “noisy investigation” operations against people who might tell the truth about Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard.  I had spoken up, been threatened, and escaped, however, before Hubbard, et al. issued their SP Declare, or kicked me out.

 

Kicking me out after I’ve left is a bit of an impossibility. The Scientologists like to say they kicked me out, perhaps because it makes them feel at cause in the matter, where they obsessively want to be, apparently.

 

          TO wrote: He took those documents with him,

 

No. I wrote about this to your blog back in April. I actually submitted my comment twice, and saw it published. It was then deleted, fairly rapidly, let’s say within a minute. I’ve now posted this earlier comment on my own blog for ease of reference.  gerryarmstrong[dot]ca/ga/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ortega-gerry-documents-2012-04-20.pdf

 

Lawrence Wright got essentially the same thing wrong in his New Yorker piece last year about Paul Haggis. I still haven’t convinced The New Yorker, et al. that it’s in their best interest, as well as everyone else’s, to correct their errors. I sure hope you don’t dig in your heels as hard as Condé Nast’s spikes over such a small piece of ancient history.

 

There’s no excuse, because the Breckenridge decision is very clear, and was affirmed on appeal. The Scientologists’ whole war on me is brimming with divine irony, but that cannot be my fault.

 

          TO wrote: and was the subject of years of nasty litigation by the church.

 

Yes, Scientology litigation is nasty. And on August 2, I will have been the subject of Scientology litigation for 30 years.

 

          TO wrote: But his documents also formed the basis for books such as those by Miller and Atack.

 

The “Armstrong documents” certainly helped Miller, Atack, Corydon, and others. I did not, however, take these documents with me when I left the cult. When I needed them, which, history has shown, I did, Omar Garrison gave them to me.

 

God bless my friend Omar, who had his own moment on his own Damascus Road, or on his own way to murder Mohammed.

 

clausvonbulow
clausvonbulow

What's really interesting is the lack of the die-hard, LRH tech is the only answer, steely eyed Scientologist intent on clearing the planet you have working at INT, alongside DM, in the form of John Brousseau. Hell he was a kid who had only done the Comm course then ends up in the SO being a chauffeur for LRH, because he like having young gullible kids to do his bidding and listen to his BS. It's almost like John just got "stuck" in this crazy world and stayed because his other options weren't so great or didn't have any particular goals to begin with - not because he was some brainwashed true believer. I'm sure for many years it was more fun playing cloak and dagger games, running a ranch with no interference but reliable money, hanging out with Tom Cruise...better than the alternative of getting some dead end job. He stayed because he liked having someone giving him direction in life because he didn't have the innate drive to map out his own route. It was more like an extended adolescence - he didn't have to grow up and take the reigns of his own life, just let the SO do it for him. I'm sure had the RPF and prison camp mentality not taken hold he might still be there for lack of a more attractive alternative in life. I wonder how many others are at high levels in the SO are in a similar boat? It's quite a departure from the true believer, die hards most people seem to believe occupy INT. (Hell, Marc Headley was another similar case - just a kid without a lot of options or family support who got swept up into the mad world of the SO and Gold/ INT) How many remain trapped in INT not because "they believe" but because "they fear" what life holds for them outside the razor wire? This may hold true for many in the SO in general. I think back to so many stories from former SO -how many were just kids who had little to no experience with the tech, or who's parents were true believers and they were shipped off to the SO based on the parents belief, not their own? It's scary to think how many are probably trapped in the SO not due to their own choices, but more due to going with the flow, doing as they are told, pleasing others, fear of not knowing what to do in the wog world. Sheep trying to please to the slaughter. Independent thought and goals in life outside the cult are the biggest threats to the INT, not FBI raids. Fear of the unknown is much stronger than the devil you know. I do wonder what John's thinking towards Scientology is like now? We know he went to Marty when he escaped, and he gives token defenses of LRH in the interview, but he's certainly not been an indie cheerleader.

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

I find it sad how, through the entire piece, he still seems to blame little davey miscarriage for everything, and can't see that the grand midget is just a symptom of the giant scam LRH built. It seems blind, unquestioning LRH worship is something even those who escape from the 'church' itself have an incredibly hard time getting past. 

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

An off-topic question : I can see that some people make their profiles anonymous. How can I do it?

POWER
POWER

I appreciate all the truth and honesty in this article but don't understand how all the red-flag on David Miscavige was so ignored by those who were so close to him, ie: JB?   Why would anyone allow this monster to get to power?  JB, I am very glad you freed yourself, but for God sake why flew so much power to this ass hole and let him get away with all the out-points when you saw them even while LRH was alive?????????

torymagoo44
torymagoo44

 @QuickInfo Thanks for the info re "The Master"!  And this will be all over the USA (re the one month in advance)?

 

Also,  thank you, Tony O and JB for the great stories! I think some of my favorite stories, having been "in"  for 30 years, totally "loyal",

then woke up in 2000, and literally escaped out....are those about LRH, as SO much of his history was kept hush-hush as you so well describe.

 

I worked in what I call the OSA Int Top Secret Internet Mafia as an OT Volunteer---and they were SO into "OO7"...it was frightening. People *really* get off on that, and thus lose sight of what they are *really* doing. Anyways, thank you to both of you! I can't wait to read Part 2 :) You should *seriously* consider writing a book, John. I'm sure there's TONS more once you get going...and it's very interesting facts that few people can speak about. Hell, I bet you could write just a book on "The Last days of Hubbard" and it'd Rock. Or "What driving L Ron Hubbard around was *really* like". I'd buy it :) Think about it....:) Best, Tory/Magoo

torymagoo44
torymagoo44

 @GerryArmstrong Yes, thank you for these corrections. I had always heard that you had copied the originals before you left, and *that* was what Scientology was SO furious about. Interesting that Omar gave them to you. :sigh: Isn't it amazing how once ONE thing is printed incorrectly, you can spend YEARS correcting people on it? I still have that, no matter how many times I've corrected people: I never posted on the Net for OSA: Never. But that's a common misunderstanding people have about me. Glad you corrected those, Gerry!

California
California

 @GerryArmstrong Thanks for the corrections, Gerry.

 

But the last paragraph is a bit obtuse to me.  Do you care to elaborate?  I hope life is going well for you and yours.....

chuckbeatty77
chuckbeatty77

 @clausvonbulow 

 

I think you nailed a lot.    But Prof Kent wrote "From Slogans to Mantras" and that fit a few who got suckered and stayed as long as they did, Jeff Hawkins is a good example.

 

Lots were "seeker" types, I thought "out of the body" was real, too much acid and Carlos Castaneda books on "flying" and then Ram Dass and Theosophy crap, astral walking, myself, the big leg Scientology stood on in my eyes was their orderly step by step procedures to produce "out of the body" guaranteed.   Other groups selling the same hallucination (didn't know it was at the and didn't want to admit it was all hokey once in).

 

If people are souls, jammed into their skulls, and Hubbard's pseudo therapy pops one out, and one can fly around like Creation of Human Ability procedure called the Grand Tour, then okay.

 

It's pretty obvious that this is a scam to most everyone on earth, but I fell into the dupe side on that one.  

AndrewRobertson
AndrewRobertson

 @clausvonbulow

 

paragraph  - noun

 

(in a piece of writing) one of a series of subsections each usually devoted to one idea and each usually marked by the beginning of a new line, indentation, increased interlinear space, etc

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @SvenBoogie It seems the main difference is that LRH was a charismatic, creative, power-hungry, crazy cult-creating asshole with major anger management issues, whereas Mister Cabbage Head is just an crazy power-hungry asshole with anger management issues. Minus the charisma and the creativity and whatever wacko occult hypnotic juju Elwrong had going on.I suspect Mister Cabbage Head is also stuck in Elwrong's rabbit hole and can't get out of the mindscrew. He's been in since, what, 12?

ezmereldastella
ezmereldastella

 @SvenBoogie What's with everyone criticising exiting members?....People joined scientology because they wanted to better themselves and help mankind....They got brainwashed,revealed some stuff that they could be blackmailed with and got trapped....Those in the first 5 -10 years of their exiting are still in recovery and dont see everything as those who have never been in...GO EASY ON THEM!!! They have been brave in ways many will never have to be...

chuckbeatty77
chuckbeatty77

 @SvenBoogie 

 

There are so many illegitimate aspects ot Hubbard's Scientology, that us exiting members, don't necessarily realize all that is wrong with it, all at once.

 

There will naturally be this hodge-podge gradient of willingness to say what of the whole mess is immoral and a scam, or whatever.  

 

There are multiple "legs" that the Hubbard movement stands on, and not every leg gets knocked out in a person's mind as they discuss and notice what's wrong.

 

 

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @MariannaP. Log out of Livefyre. Log on as Anonymous. You can use whatever account name you want with an Anonymous account (like I'm doing). I don't want OSAtrolls to find me.

media_lush
media_lush

 @MariannaP. just create a twitter account with a safe/new email account and you can log in via twitter here

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @POWER As someone who has endured bad bosses...I understand. There's a lot people endure for job security. Or a cause. Or a cause plus job security (doubleplusgood).  And if everyone around you is conditioned to accept it, and you're young, and you don't know anything else...It certainly was a red flag that the older people who visited their kid raised an alarm. The young adults, green to the working world, didn't know better. Exploitable.  That's just my take on it.

NorwoodPartz
NorwoodPartz

@POWER You mean flow power as in Hubbard's PINK LEGS HCOPL? Scientology was nuts long before Miscavige came along. The people around Hubbard were yes men. They has been subjected to Hubbard's brainwashing tech. *Then* Miscavige came along. Connect the dots dude.

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

 @POWER 

Well, there was nobody to let him, he took it himself. At the end of hubbard's life  the cult and hubbard's positions were weakened by several lawsuits and investigations, he was distanced from the cult's affairs partly to protect himself partly because he was losing the control over it. At that time there were several challengers inside the cult as well as defectors who wanted to start a "new" church of scientology. miscavige was apparently the most intelligent one and he destroyed (the word is well chosen) all his opponents one by one and took it all.

KareNotMyFault
KareNotMyFault

 @POWER  Hubbard was old and for all practical purposes confined.  Broeker was basically trapped also, as he was stuck with Hubbard.  JB was somewhat passive. He as much as admits it from the beginning of this story. At least he wasn't ambitious.  Miscavige had mobility.  looks like he made a deal with Broeker, to act as Hubbard's proxy or get the LRH seal, then cut him out once his command structure was solid.   It was always a finite business. It is a matter of money and law and buying people.  The win goes to whoever hustles and has a plan.

I'd guess Miscavige initially exhibited a lot of loyalty  to get into Hubbards top ten sycophants

 

All my opinions are guesswork btw based on my view of typical human nature when humongous amounts of cash are in the balance.

Jean
Jean

 @POWER 

 

What would you have recommended, had you been in the same situation? 

 

Would you have executed Miscavige's henchmen?

QuickInfo
QuickInfo

 @torymagoo44   

Hey Tory,  It is an honor to speak with you.

Re: The Master: yes, Harvey Wienstein Company pulled it in by a month to Friday September 14th.  I am sure there are a lot of reasons and factors behind this but the 2 main things  that come to my mind are  1) to capitialize on the popularity brought about by "the divorce" and 2) to swap it with the more violent mob drama Killing Them Softly due to its content and the fact that due to the tragic recent events in CO, audiences are souring on more violent movies.

it appears to be a strategy by the "suits" to put money on a very popular director (PTA) and Oscar Winning actors.  it is a caculated bet, and one that will hopefully pay off come Oscar season.  If you are unfamiliar with the back story of the Master, there is plenty on the internet,.  I will put it briefly that  PTA (Paul Thomas Anderson, director of Magnolia, etc) has been working on this for years, approx 3-4 and from some of the comments both here and other pop culture websites, PTA was fascinated by LRH and wanted to do an expose on American "Religions" .

I, and many other film geeks are looking forward for this since this is PTAs first film since the Award Winning There Will Be Blood (2007).  The trailers look amazzing.  It MIGHT only reach the "art" crowd at first, but if it gets support from the critical community, awards etc, than the masses will hopefully follow

This is the website from Variety.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118057163

 

Paul Thomas Anderson's 'Master' moved to Sept. 14Weinstein Company also pushes back 'Killing Them Softly' to Oct. 19

Paul Thomas Anderson's 'The Master,' originally scheduled for Oct. 12, will now be released Sept. 14.

Andrew Dominik's 'Killing Them Softly,' starring Brad Pitt, has been pushed back to Oct. 19.

The Weinstein Company is shuffling its awards-season deck, moving up Paul Thomas Anderson's Scientology-tinged religious drama "The Master" from Oct. 12 to Sept. 14 and pushing back Andrew Dominik's t  "Killing Them Softly" staring Brad Pit to Oct. 19.

.....

"The Master" figures to be a factor this awards season, with stars Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman expected to be major contenders for acting prizes, not to mention writer-director Anderson, who received multiple noms for his last pic, "There Will Be Blood."

....

torymagoo44
torymagoo44

@torymagoo44  PS: JB:: I know you did TONS more than just driving Hubbard around...so please don't take offense at that. I heard a seminar out at UCLA last year and an author was speaking about how "Anyone can write a book". He really went on about how people LOVE to learn about a specific person's daily life. So that was just *one* of your many examples.

GerryArmstrong
GerryArmstrong

@California

The Damascus Road, of course, was where Paul is reported to have had the conversion that ended his persecution of the Christians. Scientologists’ Damascus Road incidents, should they happen, would end their persecution of someone or some group who did not deserve their persecution. Obviously ending the persecution of a class of people that a Scientologist has been persecuting throughout perhaps decades in Scientology is direction-changing, and potentially brain-changing. All Scientologists persecute the Suppressive Person class in one way or another. Since SPs are people who tell the truth about Scientology and Hubbard, the Scientologists persecute the people who would make them free, and persecute themselves.

Omar was named, so he said, after Omar Khayyám. But he also mentioned Omar ibn Al-Khattāb. For that matter he also mentioned Omar Sharif and Sydney Omarr. Well Omar ibn Al-Khattāb, then a big persecutor of Muslims, it is reported, had a major Damascus Road moment in 616 AD on his way to murder Mohammed. And he became Mohammed’s disciple and companion, and a huge expander of the faith. (The Sunni-Shia split, which has an apparent parallel in Scientology in the In-Out, Organized-Disorganized, Dependent-Independent split, is beyond Omar’s conversion and another discussion for another time and someone else.)

Our Omar realized that the Scientologists he had supported for several years were persecuting good people, even writers like himself. He called the Scientologists’ SP Declares, fair game, etc. evil, and he saw that all this persecution and evil was being done in service of a liar, and to keep the liar’s fraud working. When he knew that I was declared, and that the Scientologists had turned their well-heeled malevolence machine on me, he did a conscienceful thing, and gave me the available documents to defend myself against the persecutors.

I was just musing about the Omar. I’ll curb any tendency, in the available time, to cause any feeling of obtuseness in the people who might read me. You know, unless in defense of the persecuted class.

 

chuckbeatty77
chuckbeatty77

 @clausvonbulow 

 

Sort of "waiting for my own personal halllucination" that convinces me Hubbard's craziness is real, and playing along because so many other people seem to believe it.  

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

@chuckbeatty77@SvenBoogie This is why I feel as though from time to time it's good to repost something I've started calling the Bridge to Freedom from $cientoology. I took it from Arnie Lerma's site (http://www.lermanet.com/cos/8steps.html) and cleaned up a bit because there's more than one version there. He got it from someplace else, I think. Here it is: 

 

1) There is something wrong here, if this is so great, then why is (______) going on? [ insert whatever atrocity you have witnessed ]

 

2) The guys at the top must be crazy

 

3) Miscavige and crew are evil demons from another dimension 

[ or something similar ]

 

4) Hubbard went crazy at the end .....

 

5) Hubbard went crazy in 1966

 

6) Hubbard was mad from the start.

 

7) This whole thing is a complete fraud

 

8) my god, it's a criminal organization... with criminal convictions all over the world... and it was only about money

 

9) realization that THERE ARE NO OT's THERE!

 

10) realizing, after leaving Scientology, this makes one an ex-nazi and wanting to do something about it

 

 

At some point this could be worth a discussion of its own. It could fit nicely with what's turning out to be a realization that the morality of being an ex-member can be complicated.  Meantime, it's good to remember, this is what people deal with when they leave the cult and after, and they go at different speeds. They get bogged down and sometimes they don't finish the journey. 

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @MariannaP. Maybe not the most intelligent of the Hubbardian successors, was Miscarriage, but definitely the most ruthless and cloak-and-daggery. He definitely learned well from his master. The apple didn't fall far from the tree there. Bad fruit from a bad tree...

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @MariannaP. Note to Tony and those here who were on the inside - I'd be fascinated to read a blow-by-blow account of exactly how Miscaviage seized total power.

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

 @POWER It's like politics, you see...the fight over the power. There's nothing democratic or innocent about it.

NorwoodPartz
NorwoodPartz

@KareNotMyFault @POWER Hubbard was not that old, and he was *not* confined. Hubbard chose to isolate himself. He was a coward and afraid of being held accountable for his actions and orders. Miscavige is more On-Source that you think. Source was a sadistic nut too.

POWER
POWER

 @Jean   if I would be in a situation like this where I saw all the out points, most likely I would have removed myself from the situation or made all these weird meetings between Pat and David known to LRH somehow.  Not blaming anyone.   We should all be aware of all those red-flags in our life when we see them.  I guess, it is just live and learn, Right?  

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

 @AndrewRobertson 

I was just wondering, cause I see that some people do it....how? Can't get it. Livefyre is definitely not for me, lol...

AndrewRobertson
AndrewRobertson

 @MariannaP.  If you want to post anonymously, clean out the cookies in your browser and don't log on again to whatever account you previously used.

 

Then look at the options, create a new identity, for example, 'Fred Jones, dairy farmer, Wanganui, New Zealand' and there you are! 

 

18,996 km from Paris, gumboot clad and up at 5 am to milk the cows.  How more anonymous could you be!

 

 

 

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @MariannaP. Anonymous is at the very, very bottom. You have to look for it. Make sure you log out of Livefyre FIRST. There's a link you can click on. It's an extra step, but then you're in with your anon account til you log out (as whatever name you want).

media_lush
media_lush

@MariannaP. You don't have to "use" twitter at all. It's takes about a minute to set up your account. If you don't follow anyone or post it's pretty much redundant for you but it does allow you to post in numerous forums right off the bat. As long as you remember your twitter name and password you'll never have to use or see a tweet ever.

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

When I want to post something there is a choice between FB, Twitter, Google, VV accounts..hmmm...which one is anonymous?

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Sign off of FB and everything else. Then post comments anonymously.

 

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

 @ClamOnAHalfshell Of course they are.  And anybody's eligible for R2-45 "auditing".  Sorry, I was indulging in rhetorical questions there.  My point was that there are stories to be told behind DM's coup-d'etat, and we won't hear them until the people who know the answers tell us. 

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @FistOfXenu Anyone's declarable, anyone's Fair Game. Quentin Hubbard was unceremoniously dumped out of an airplane with no funeral, 'disposed of quietly and without sorrow.' L. Ron Hubbard Jr. was Fair Gamed. That's how the game is played in Scientology land. Only the ruthless survive.

FistOfXenu
FistOfXenu

 @PoisonIvy  @MariannaP. So would we all. There are unanswered questions about certain parts of it. How you answer those questions partly depends on how cynical you feel. Inclined to think there isn't anything DM wouldn't do? Then maybe you wonder if LRH really committed suicide. Inclined to think the old man really was at cause over everything? Then probably you accept that he "dropped his MEST body because it wasn't useful anymore". 

 

And it goes on and on. How come the Broekers were named successors but ended up as SPs? LRH named Dave Mayo to be in charge of Tech until LRH reincarnated, so why was Mayo declared and made the big bad squirrel? A lot of the steps in that blow by blow account are unclear or controversial. 

 

My hope is as more people leave we'll get more of the pieces to the puzzle until we can put it all together. 

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @NorwoodPartz   Source was not that old, but Source was in poor health, and nutty as a fruitcake. He was afraid of the US government holding him accountable for his actions. That's why he first fled to England, then to sea. At sea he could be subject to no government, which is what he wanted. A little empire for himself, accountable to no one.

wwwRESEARCHcom
wwwRESEARCHcom

 @POWER I would start my research with,  Scientology sea org, fair game. That should get you started.

Once you start to see how they operate, then it will help you more when you come back here. I have been lurking around here for a couple of weeks now and I must say, I am learning more all of the time! 

MariannaP.
MariannaP.

 @POWER 

No. That entire cult and all that people were a HUGE RED FLAG. 

melonslice
melonslice

 @POWER  @Jean Power, you obviously don't know much about this dangerous cult or David Miscavige.  I would recommend researching the subject further if it interests you.  Reading through the Village Voice archives is a great place to start!

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