ISABELLA CRUISE CONSIDERS JOINING SCIENTOLOGY'S 'SEA ORG' AFTER BOYFRIEND SIGNS UP

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Eddie Frencher, on the right in his Facebook photo of a previous band, Sky Diamond City
The Voice has learned that Tom Cruise's daughter, Isabella, announced on a private Facebook page this week that her boyfriend Eddie Frencher signed Scientology's billion-year "Sea Org" contract about a week ago and is now going through its "Estates Project Force" boot camp in Los Angeles. Isabella took down that Facebook page a few days later, but a friend who recently shared an apartment with Isabella and Frencher tells us that the information is correct, and Frencher has joined the Sea Org.

Former Sea Org executives tell us that Isabella would be under intense pressure to join the hardcore Scientology organization herself or be forced to give up her relationship with Frencher.

Another close family friend tells us that after being cut off from Frencher for a few days, Isabella began considering seriously the prospect of signing the Sea Org's contract and joining him in the EPF.

We asked Tom Cruise's attorney, Bert Fields, for a comment today and are still waiting for a reply. We also sent a request for a statement to the Church of Scientology's media office.

On June 28, Katie Holmes filed for divorce from Cruise, and media reports said that Scientology was at least part of the reason for their split. Some speculated that Holmes had wanted to make sure that her daughter Suri would not end up in Scientology's Sea Org.

Turns out it's another Tom Cruise daughter who is apparently facing that possibility.

Isabella, 19, and her younger brother Connor, 17, were adopted by Cruise and his previous wife, Nicole Kidman. But after they split, the children spent most of their time with their father and both became members of his religion, the Church of Scientology.

In recent years, media reports had Isabella rebelling against her father and his church, but then in January, the tabloids went wild reporting that Isabella was now in a relationship with another young Scientologist, Eddie Frencher, who had also grown up in the religion and is four years her senior.

Later in the year, Isabella and Frencher moved into an apartment with Sarah Waterkamp and her boyfriend in an old bank building in downtown Los Angeles. The tabs called it a "skid row" area, but Sarah's father, Gerhard Waterkamp, tells me the building was part of a trendy neighborhood where young couples are rehabbing old buildings.

Frencher and Isabella later moved out after the Waterkamps asked Scientology for a refund from unused money on account, but Sarah is still friends with Isabella Cruise and she told me today that Eddie Frencher had joined the Sea Org about a week ago.

Through another close Cruise family friend, we learned that Isabella had announced on a private Facebook page that Eddie had joined the Sea Org and that she wished him well.

The "Sea Organization" was formed in the late 1960s as Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard ran Scientology from a small armada of ships that plied the Mediterranean and Atlantic. Today, Sea Org members are the most dedicated workers for the church, signing billion-year contracts and promising to come back, lifetime after lifetime.

Sea Org members work up to 100-hour weeks for about $40 to $50 a week, and almost never get a day off. And when they are in the EPF, the Sea Org's boot camp, they are cut off from friends and family. Isabella would have been entirely sealed off from Frencher.

After a few days of separation, say family friends, Isabella began to consider joining the hardcore organization herself.

"Bella is very serious about following Eddie into the Sea Org," one source told us.

I asked Amy Scobee, a former Sea Org executive, to tell me what kind of choice Isabella is facing.

"She's either going to need to join or that's it, it's over," Scobee says.

A 27-year member of Scientology, Scobee was a dedicated Sea Org official who left the church in 2005 after witnessing the violent work environment at Scientology's secretive international base east of Los Angeles, something she details in her book, Abuse at the Top.

I asked Scobee what Frencher is going through now as he works through his EPF training.

"It's five hours of study each day. And then otherwise it's 'deck work' -- either garbage detail or renovations or other menial work. He'll be eating on a buffet, and it's not the best food in the world. He will be having to hustle wherever he goes. There's no TV. It's going to be a shock to him," she says.

If Isabella joins him, I asked, would the daughter of Tom Cruise also go through those kinds of hardships?

"Yes! You are signing over your entire life. Every minute of your day is spent there. I didn't take a day off in 11 years while I was in the Sea Org," Scobee says.

I told her that Frencher is reportedly training to join the Sea Org workers at Celebrity Centre International, the organization that runs Scientology's Celebrity Centres around the world, including the famous one in Hollywood.

"Maybe Celebrity Centre would treat Isabella better if she were there, and she would be able to see her dad once in a while. I'm sure they'll do something special for her," Scobee says. But she still expects that it would be no picnic for the 19-year-old woman.

"I wish Bella could read my book, oh man," she says.

Scobee adds that she was one of those who warned that Katie Holmes had to consider the possibility that her daughter Suri could eventually be recruited to the Sea Org.

"I didn't think it was a lot of hype that Suri could join. I think it was a clear possibility," she says -- and now this new information tends to vindicate her.

"Tom Cruise had said he would have joined the Sea Org but he had used drugs in his past. That disqualified him. Shelly Miscavige told me that and it's in my book," she says.

"If she joins, Isabella isn't going to last long," Scobee predicts. "She grew up with a celebrity lifestyle and now she's going to clean garbage cans and never get a day off?"



See also:
"Tom Cruise worships David Miscavige like a god"
Scientology's president and the death of his son: our complete coverage
What Katie is saving Suri from: Scientology interrogation of kids
Scientology's new defections: Hubbard's granddaughter and Miscavige's dad
Scientology's disgrace: our open letter to Tom Cruise
Scientology crumbling: An entire mission defects as a group
Scientology leader David Miscavige's vanished wife: Where's Shelly?
Neil Gaiman, 7, Interviewed About Scientology by the BBC in 1968
The Master Screenplay: Scientology History from Several Different Eras
And a post that pulls together the best of our Scientology reporting

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As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and was sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.


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MariannaP.
MariannaP.

Wow, have been out for a couple of weeks, but the CoS never sleeps...I wish I had some time to read the comments, but here's what I think. It must be not Isabella who thought to quit the boat, they must have some information that her father thought about it himself. Maybe his lawyers explained him that Suri's mother can use it against him if he doesn't slow down, maybe his eyes started to open, I don't know. The CoS found a solution : take his daughter as a prisoner to keep Cruise under control (like they did with Moxon's daughter, for example). Apparently since Cruise doesn't want to coerce his daughter (or he can't), they manipulate her boyfriend to take her in.

This is only my idea, I admit, but it seems  logical to me...

BTW, take a child as a prisoner to control the parent is a very ancient tradition in the World's History ...

 

michelekalis
michelekalis

Um, does anyone find it interesting that if Isabella joins the SO, that it may possibly be thing that takes Tom Cruise out of $cientology.  Think about it, it could very well be that the treatment of his daughter in the SO will seriously open his eyes to the ridiculousness that is that particular cult.  

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

I have to believe Marcotai is some sort of uber-troll in order to retain any semblance of faith in humanity. It's just too hard to admit that anyone in this era could still buy into the $ci cult bullshit so hard...

garry90069
garry90069

I'm curious what behind-the-scenes role Tom Cruise had in persuading Eddie to join the Sea Org. He probably was not happy when Bella started speaking to the media, claiming she was engaged to be married, and tweeting a photo of her engagement ring to her friends & media. (Bella's Twitter account has since been deleted).  So, Bella, was engaged to be married to an unemployed, member of a nowhere band, living on his parent's dime.  What loving parent would be happy about his daughter marrying a deadbeat?Eddie was in the now-defunct band, ae (pronounced "ay").

MrsVonTrapp
MrsVonTrapp

LOL. Marcotai brays and demands that Tony O. report the "good news" about Scientology (something many media outlets do on a regular basis by repeating what CoS spokes-holes tell them), yet Marcotai does not think that CoS (or any Scientologist for that matter) EVER needs to mention, admit to or discuss any of the "bad news" about his group. See all CoS websites, promo and commercials, where starry eyed converts exhort the wonders of the tech as the only "truth" that exists. What extreme hypocrisy Marcotai exhibits- demanding something from someone that he himself utterly refuses to give. When Marcotai feels up to mentioning one piece of bad news about CoS, I will 'quid pro quo' and utter a positive word about Scientology. Until then, the Joker Marcotai deserves nothing from no one. 

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

So now I'm getting a every 30 second VV pop up. Oy vey !

CanuckXenu
CanuckXenu

Has anyone ever come across this blog? You can call it the "anti-Tony blog" I suppose.  The home page says it's about "scientologists blogging about their religion and concerns."  I've added this site to my bookmarks.

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scientologybeliefs/

 

They have a picture of the opening of the new Israeli Idle Morgue.  The crowd scene outside looks suspicious, but it could be the fish-eye lens distorting the edges. You can make out the midget at his teeny tiny podium holding down the corners of the desk.  Anyone have video of his speech yet?

 

 

Marcotai
Marcotai

Oh... by the way, even if Tony Ortega is very reluctant to post positive news about SCN, i feel the need to let you know that On August 21, in Israel, national and city dignitaries as well as religious leaders joined thousand of Scientologists to celebrate the opening of the new Center of Scientology in Tel Aviv. The Center is the first Ideal Scientology Org in the Middle East and designed to both serve the growing membership and provide Scientology-sponsored humanitarian programs throughout the region. The watershed grand opening was distinguished by the presence of Mr. David Miscavige, Tel Aviv City Council Member Meital Lehavi; Office of the Prime Minister Director for the Bedouin Sector Mohammad Kaabia; Office of The Prime Minister Senior Coordinator on the Status of Minority Women Rania Pharyra; Biblical scholar and author Dr. Rimon Kasher; Jaffa Arab Christian Community Chairman Peter Habash; and historical preservation architect Eyal Ziv.

Biblical scholar and author Dr. Rimon Kasher spoke of the Center's vital importance to the region: "I believe Scientology is the only religion that can create a connection or even affinity between the different faiths and the only one that can relieve the tension between religions. It is my hope that with your Ideal Org, you will accomplish your aims. In so doing you will mark a turning point for not just the entire Israeli society, but for all of the Middle East."

 

 

 

Noah_Miller
Noah_Miller

 @DodoTheLaser Am I crazy or did he just say that NOI believes in the reactive mind but that only white people have it? 

Noah_Miller
Noah_Miller

 @DodoTheLaser I'm still completely confused by this. The only thing I could ever see making sense here is if the tops of both organization sat down and admitted to one another that they're massive fraudulent money making schemes who's stats are dwindling. Then they came to an agreement to bolster both groups with each others true believers. 

 

That's about the only way this would make sense to me since the ideologies are so damned opposite. 

MrsVonTrapp
MrsVonTrapp

People buy into all kinds of bullshit pretty hard every day. But Marcotai is a special kind of bullshit-buyer.

 

Marcotai is here to “handle” what is known as “Black Propaganda” in Scientology. Black PR is anything negative that is written about Scientology, regardless of whether it is factual or not. Here’s an excerpt from a policy on the subject, written by LRon:

 

“The way to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as possible.  Thus it is necessary to redefine medicine, psychiatry and psychology downward and define Dianetics and Scientology upwards…

 

The trick is-WORDS ARE REDEFINED TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE TO THE ADVANTAGE  OF THE PROPAGANDIST. Psychiatry and psychiatrist are easily redefined to mean "an anti-social enemy of the people.” - direct quote from L RON HUBBARD

 

Marcotai is an appointed propagandist for CoS whose job is to re-define what is being said here about Scientology. Whistleblower is redefined to mean “disgruntled apostate”. Information is redefined to mean “bad news” and “lies”.  Up is redefined to mean “down”.

 

Marcotai is not even a very good propagandist for Scientology. He needs to get to know his audience a bit better. Until then he is as clueless as he appears to be. He probably “waxes enthusiastic” and thinks he is winning at the game. LOL. 

 

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

Tom Cruise is--as a member of this heinously abusive group (cult, imo) --sadly repeating a pattern of abuse from his own childhood.

DM could not be a better representation of TC's own, abusive father.

 

"He was beaten by his father, who Cruise has said was a bully and coward. He was the kind of person where, if something goes wrong, they kick you. It was a great lesson in my life—how he’d lull you in, make you feel safe and then, bang! For me, it was like, 'There's something wrong with this guy. Don't trust him. Be careful around him.'"

 

The sad part is that TC doesn't comprehend his "attraction" to the abuser, DM, who is nothing but a bully and coward (with the financial means, ironically thanks to TC, to perpetuate his bullying and cowardess on a massive scale.)

 

Sometimes history does, sadly, repeat itself.

MrsVonTrapp
MrsVonTrapp

 @garry90069 That's why Eddie will make such a great Sea Org member. Only a tiny percent of Sea Org members have any stats before joining. Today, the Sea Org relies mostly upon clueless young recruits who can easily be molded into Kool-Aid drinking followers. Those with any real stats quit within a few months. Like Dr. Donna Shannon. You can read her story here: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20459

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

Oy f-ing vey, is right=(!!!

 

Livefyre is like Susan Powder=(!!!!!

"STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!!"

CanuckXenu
CanuckXenu

 @Capt._Howdy

 I wonder if Mila stayed close friends with "That 70s Show" scilon castmates Laura Prepon or Danny Masterson.  I'm sure Paul Haggis's name is mud around their circles, and they could resent Mila for working with the "bitter, defrocked apostate."

 

I'm sure they could both resent her for having a much more successful film career than either of them (so much for scientology ensuring success).

 

Masterson will be in a new CBS comedy called Men At Work this fall.  Something else not to watch.

 

 

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

 @Capt._Howdy On a completely off topic note, that photo of Mila Kunis is one of the least flattering I've seen. That dress does unkind things to her chest...

deElizabethan
deElizabethan

 @CanuckXenu  What a bunch of bull shit. Because they got caught up in a lie that they opened and supposedly took a win on that, late last year, now they use IAS money into it to make themselves right, little late. If that even really happened since I don't believe anything they say anymore, since they will lie no matter what.

I didn't read it closely but didn't see "anti -Tony blog" anywhere in fact didn't see any blog. But then who cares,. We know what they promote, bullshit!

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @CanuckXenu  Everyone should check out the "Children are People Too, Right?" column on that link featuring some Hubbard quotes that are vaguely reminiscent of the Jose Canseco quotes rationalizing sexual intercourse with teenage girls (or boys).

Marcotai
Marcotai

 @CanuckXenu It's called "Ideal Org", not  "Idle Morgue".

Get your info straight, please.

 

TheNextMrsTomCruise
TheNextMrsTomCruise

 @Marcotai "Scientology-sponsored humanitarian programs"

 

 

Like the one Melissa went through, perhaps? 

Let's call it what it is, child abuse. 

michelekalis
michelekalis

 @Marcotai It's the only place that would tolerate them.  Coconut cake, Marcotai.  Answer the question.

LemonLemon
LemonLemon

 @Marcotai  "Growing membership"?  Are they still really telling people that?  I think at this point, even active members are looking around their own orgs, seeing the lack of people and have come to the realization that when scientology says, "growing", it's one of those double-think words that means the opposite.

 

And YOU "feel the need to tell us" this?  Anyone can copy/paste an article.  Here's a tip, next time you want to paste an article someone else wrote, make sure you replace the capital letter of the first word with a lower case.  Dead giveaway.

 

 

 

deElizabethan
deElizabethan

 @Marcotai  You and your organization are so miniscule and small that you are hardly seen, let alone heard. They are the laughing stock of the world! Of course you are too small to see it. Maybe when you decide to open your eyes and look, just maybe, you will learn something.

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

 @Marcotai we are glad you feel the need to let us know what we already knew because we are not kept....TRAPPED IN THE CLOSET!

Noah_Miller
Noah_Miller

 @Marcotai Show me a thousand Scientologists in one place and I'll show you a bunch of busses. 

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

I guess Marcotai just overlooks the following facts:

1. In Israel, scientology has never claimed religion-status. Instead, it markets itself as a secular, tax-paying enterprise.

2. Israel has called scientology "a CULT, and a MEDICAL, MORAL and SOCIAL THREAT." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH376PSFpg8 (after the ad)

 

Hey Marco-

Can you explain how scientology is a "religion" in some countries, but a tax-paying "enterprise" in others?

Enquiring minds want to know.

 

SilverLining
SilverLining

 @Marcotai 

Oh, and the word is out officially in all UK Church of England schools in the UK, to not engage in any way with NarCONon.

 

So not all are so easily duped by the old forked tongue as these poor saps appear to have been.

 

If only they knew about the Tone Scale, and the Hubbardy plan to deal with those low on it (which would include ANY non-Scion, such as themselves), whereby they would be "disposed of quietly and without remorse" ?

 

I guess that's what was really meant by "relieve the tension between religions". At least, in the mind of the Scion writer preparing the script for the naive innocent reading it. The Scion writer knew that what was meant was to relieve that tension by simply destroying those religions completely and totally; no religions, no tension. Simple. And evil.

 

Unusually there, not a straight lie from the Scion puppet masters. The truth, hidden in plain sight.

 

Did you have to really sweat and strain, wrestling with your innermost self, to write Bible with a capital B ?

SilverLining
SilverLining

 @Marcotai

 

Is that "thousand" from the same school of adding up as the Scion claim of millions of members ?

 

FACT: the 2001 UK census recorded precisely 1,839 self identified Scientologists in the UK. Compare that to the 390,127 who self identified their religion as "Jedi Knight".

 

So, Scientology was 1/212 the size of the followers of the works of a GOOD purveyor of sci-fi fiction.

 

Oh, and Scientology shrunk further since them. Back then you couldn't move in East Grinstead without tripping over the blighters. Now ? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

 

And don't you dream of saying that Scientology can create a connection or affinity between religions. Hubbardy was a follower of Crowley, and a self professed Satanist. We've all here read the nonsense about the Wall of Fire, and the R6 implant, so what Hubbardy thought of real religions is manifest and self evident.

 

Truly an evil, evil man.

BosonStark
BosonStark

 @Marcotai Tell us about it when Shelly Miscavige shows up for one of these clam shindigs (clam-digs?) would you?

RealOhioan
RealOhioan

 @Marcotai Sad that this ignorant biblical scholar is so profoundly misinformed about the rampant human rights abuses, even to children, happening within Scientology as we speak. Or has been subtly coaxed, courted, etc. into making this promotional statement. 

 

Scientology as it is today can't even relieve the tension within itself, due to the rampant greed, lies, abuse of the law, and utter contempt for both the physical lives, much less the emotional wellbeing, of its pawn members. Don't you read what it going on reported by ex-members?

 

If you think that they are all lying, after having sometimes given decades of their lives obeying every command given to them and paying fortunes to proceed through the system and having left at terrible emotional, financial and physical cost to themselves, then you are simply lying to yourself.

 

You are a disposable pawn in the grotesque delusions of first L. Wrong Hubbard (deliberate word play, for those Scientologists who ditched their senses of humor when they signed their billion-year contracts) and now Miscavige. If you can get out before you pour more precious time and money down the bottomless pit that is Scientology, do so as soon as possible.

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @Marcotai That doesn't begin to make up for the entire Haifa Mission telling Miscavige to go get screwed, does it Marco ? And never mind that the Orthodox Jews and Arabs in that area think scientology is satanic. More dupes money pissed down the rabbit hole on Idle Morgues.

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @Noah_Miller  @DodoTheLaser There's so much crazy going on in that video it's breathtaking. For one thing the idea that Allah would take human form is so antithetical to real Muslims it's beyond offensive.

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

I am familiar with the details of the cult, and all of the things you mentioned. Sometimes it's just hard to accept that people could still be so gung-ho about supporting such a blatant scam as $cientology. 

PreferToBeAnon
PreferToBeAnon

 @MrsVonTrapp  @garry90069 Wow!  I went to your ocmb link MrsVT and read the whole thread! That sure put a perspective on things that I didn't have before.  Thanks!

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @CanuckXenu I'm not sure about Kunis but I remember reading that Topher Grace avoided his scientology castmates like the plague soon as the camera stopped rolling.

CanuckXenu
CanuckXenu

 @deElizabethan

I didn't mean to imply that they said anything negative about Tony per se.  I just meant it as the opposite to Tony's blog, anti as in "anti-Christ."  Their blog is a bunch of cult members getting together to discuss their concerns about scientology.  We're a bunch of anti-cult activists who get together to discuss, and do something about, our concerns.

 

 

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

@Capt._Howdy @CanuckXenu When I read that I was picturing Melissa being yelled at and spit on. Scientology lies to itself in an endless circle jerk.

NoMoreVisitsPlease
NoMoreVisitsPlease

 @Capt._Howdy  @CanuckXenu I love how they are giving examples of how we talk down to or differently to children, asking "would you talk to an adult like that?"  Yet they keep referring to the child as "Little Johnny."  Would they refer to an adult like that?

michelekalis
michelekalis

 @Marcotai   You still haven't answered the question about coconut cake, Marco.  C'mon, now.  Inquiring minds and all that.

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

 @Marcotai  @CanuckXenu He is called "My dead cat" and not "My ideal pretend-alive-feline-companion" for a reason.

 

DEAD (just like Scientology is on its way to being).

 

(Yeah. I know you're just a troll. But it's fun playing anyway.)

 

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

 @Marcotai  @CanuckXenu Regardless of what it's CALLED, what it IS is a kind of front business. The more empty orgs your cult builds, the easier it becomes for them to try to explain where all that money is going they extort from the masses. Goes over better than 'Tom needs more burlwood pens.'

ashura
ashura

 @Marcotai 

Given scientology's mastery of destroying lives, I think morgue sounds about right.

LemonLemon
LemonLemon

 @Marcotai  @CanuckXenu Oh Marco, you're really coming late to THIS party, eh?  Do we really have to explain why people call it "idle" and not "ideal"?

 

RealOhioan
RealOhioan

 @Marcotai  @CanuckXenu Um, probably a deliberate play on words. Like calling Miscavige "Mismanage". Joke, but with echos of truth.

CanuckXenu
CanuckXenu

 @Marcotai

 You don't care that I call your leader a teeny tiny midget but you correct what is obviously a joke, a parody of "Ideal Org"? I am well aware what you call those empty buildings--now you are aware of what WE call those empty buildings.

 

By the way, when is the Super Power Building supposed to open? Earlier this year the Keebler Elf said it would open "before the dawn of summer."  Did he mean the summer of 2013?

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

 @SilverLining  @Marcotai While I'm fully aware of the connection to Crowley you speak of, 'fatty' wasn't exactly a follower of Crowley, just to nitpick. Other than that I agree with everything you said. 

Marcotai
Marcotai

 @Capt._Howdy "entire mission" ? LOL

That " mission"  is made out of only 4 disgruntled "scientologists"!

I'm sure that those few "mission'.s squirrels are going to be sent to the Advanced Shack in Texas  for their "training".

I heard that Marty is planning a Independent Marijuana  Convention there :) 

 

MrsVonTrapp
MrsVonTrapp

 @WhereIsSHE Marcotai is definitely trolling, but he may not actually read TO's work. He is given a list of talking points, and he seeks out opportunities to repeat those talking points. Most CoS followers police themselves and do not read the "bad news" and "lies" that the media put out. But they still respond with the talking points, even though they haven't read the article. "You people are haters and bigots who only have bad things to say about Scientology" is one of CoS's most used talking points. This is exactly what Marcotai repeats here. You hear this repeated by every CoS propagandist volunteering or working for the church. They've been doing this for decades, ever since the Black PR Series (series of many policy letters written on the subject) was issued by LRon). If you've read the Black PR Series, you will know exactly what Marcotai is doing.

 

The best way to deal with the Marcotai style troll is to expose, expose, expose, same as TO does with CoS.

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

I have to agree with SvenBoogie.

 

Marco-whatev is too internet-access-free. (Gets to read all of Tony's articles and comments, and only rarely chimes in with semi-convictions.)

 

Go to any blog expressing a particular view and you will find trolls.

 

IMO, this person is a troll and nothing more.

 

 

deElizabethan
deElizabethan

 @CanuckXenu  Got it, yes! Thought they were rippin' on Tony and us. Thanks.  I went back to the blog to see if I could see comments, went to leave a comment (didn't) but still didn't see any, they don't show any comments. I think it's empty and they have few readers. Not a real blog, just like them, not honest and true, but a farce for articles by this scientologyb person (?)   

CanuckXenu
CanuckXenu

 @NoMoreVisitsPlease  @Capt._Howdy

Little Steven? Little Richard? Guess it only works with musicians...

:)

 

Scilons don't demonstrate that same respect when they hand their kids over to the Sea Org, or abandon them altogether (kind of the same thing), stories we've read here over the past few weeks.

 

Like I'm going to take any parenting advice from a scientologist?

SilverLining
SilverLining

 @CanuckXenu 

 

Canuck, call it the SP Building.

 

We know they do love an acronym, so what's not to like ?

SilverLining
SilverLining

 @SvenBoogie  @SilverLining  @Marcotai 

Sven, you may have me there, on a technicality.

 

Hubbardy had been a follower (or adherent) back in the Jack Parson days, during the Moonchild episodes, and he's on records as referring to "my good friend Mr Aleister Crowley".

 

Later it's clear he simply stole a bunch of ideas and control techniques from Crowley. Obviously the same objective as OTO and Thelema, to achive  total control over fellow humans by duping them with the illusory promise of being "at cause" over themselves, others and everything (MEST in Hubbardy speak), all the while progressively denuding them of there own humanity and independence of thought and will, so that something else (OTO, cientology) is completely "at cause" over them.

 

He also pinched the crossed out cross from OTO, but Hubbardy had one insight that knocks Crowley into a cocked hat; don't keep banging on about the Devil (or the "Beast", to Crowley). It's just bad marketing in the 20th century.

 

As Baudelaire said, "The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist".

 

I'm not sure it's important whether ones own belief system includes a Theistic dualism encompassing God and the Devil, or whether one thinks Hubbardy believed truly that he was doing the Devils work, to see that the "intention to Evil" is the single constant thread running through his writings. The Scientology apparatus exists to turn that Intention to Evil into the Commission of Evil.

 

You can choose to interpret Evil theologically or not, as you choose. It also works if your world view is that Hitler was just a bad and damaged person: Evil works as commonly understood shorthand there too.

 

 

 

 

SilverLining
SilverLining

 @CanuckXenu  @SilverLining  @Marcotai 

 

Yes, I think I preferred Mediaatit on balance; the "baloney" retort made me smile for days.

 

LOL, by contrast, just doesn't cut it.  No originality at all, whereas introducing a sausage theme to the debate was a real surprise.

 

Come back Mediatit, we miss you. You must be able to clear it with your handlers, surely ?

SilverLining
SilverLining

 @Marcotai

 

Goodness, your powerful arguments and startling presentation of facts simply overwhelm me.

 

 

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

 @SilverLining  @Capt._Howdy  @Marcotai Exactly.

 

I noticed that every time he gets drawn too far into an actual conversation about a reality he can't find a way around, he happens to suddenly disappear for a while. Can't allow too much truth to seep through without some re-indoctrinati... uh... 'retraining.'

SilverLining
SilverLining

 @Capt._Howdy  @Marcotai 

Er, I doubt he does.

 

Any contrary information to that dispensed by the Scientology machine seems to result in the "fingers in ears, singing La La La in a loud voice" response from our friend.

 

Still, he's alowed the Net, even if someone is standing over him.

 

Something will filter through. Lot's of former OSA posting drones on the slow road to recovery on the outside.

 

It's just a matter of time.

LaLa104
LaLa104

 @Marcotai  @Capt._Howdy

 Morcotai... Feel free to read Tony's blogs to get informed....Deny, Deny then ATTACK...it's all been done and said here before on this blog...Happy Viewing....

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