Scientology's Grip on the Mind: An Ex-Sea Org Member Explains It For Us

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Melissa Paris
In December, we brought you the story of Melissa Paris, a former Scientologist who we got to know after her sister Valeska's stunning claims that she'd been a virtual prisoner on Scientology's private cruise ship from 1996 to 2007.

Melissa had her own shocking tales of growing up in Scientology's "Cadet Org" in the UK. (The Paris sisters were originally from Switzerland and had been brought at a young age to England by their father, who had joined Scientology's hardcore "Sea Org.")

Since we profiled the Paris sisters, we've described the horror stories of others who experienced the Sea Org's deprivations, including the strange office-prison at Scientology's secretive headquarters east of Los Angeles.

Like other former Scientologists with harrowing tales of abuse and escape, Melissa says that she's constantly asked one question more than any other: how did she put up with that kind of treatment for so long? So she decided to give us an answer that she hopes will help non-Scientologists understand the mentality of Sea Org workers.

She provided the following account, and I lightly edited it only for readability. I'm sure she'd be happy to answer additional questions from our commenters.


I've been asked so many times, why didn't you walk away sooner? How could your father and brother disconnect from you? Isn't family more important than a religion? Why do Sea Org members stay if it's really that bad?

I was born into Scientology. Both of my parents were Scientologists, so I wasn't given a choice about what my beliefs were going to be. I had Scientology beliefs drummed into me as soon as I was able to understand them.

Getting thrown into the Cadet Org at 4 years old scarred me for life. [A sort of pre-Sea Org for children, the Cadet Org was disbanded in about 1996 when an edict went out that Sea Org members could not have children. After that, women have come forward who say they were forced to have abortions when they became pregnant, a policy that was only recently changed, we hear, when media reports began to criticize the church for it.] I can't explain the sense of loss that I felt when I finally understood that my mother had left me, that I didn't have a true home anymore, and that my family had now been split up and I had no choice in the matter. We didn't speak English, and we were put into a school where I didn't understand the others. My dad wasn't there to make the transition any easier -- he was on the Estates Project Force, the Sea Org's boot camp. I remember crying and crying those first few weeks. (Anyone that knows Scientology knows that to cry is low on the Tone Scale. To this day, I rarely ever cry. My ex-husband went eight years before he saw me cry. )

As Cadets and Scientologists, we learned quickly that showing any emotion other then a happy face wasn't in our best interests. So I learned to hide my emotions and I was damn good at it. I hated my life and I stored up a lot of anger towards my father and mother for putting me into this environment.

In the mornings, we would "muster." When I got slapped, spanked, or humiliated at muster for something I'd done wrong, I showed no emotion other then a smirk. On the inside I would chant, "You won't break me, you won't break me, you won't break me!"

My mom left my stepfather Albert when I was 10 for my current stepdad Alex. It was like a dam broke inside me. All those years of hiding everything that I'd been feeling finally came to a head and I became mean, argumentative, difficult, and determined to make life hell for the people around me.

The next three years I became the problem cadet. I ran away, I fought other kids, I stole money to escape, I cursed, I yelled, I refused to be sec checked. The Sea Org wanted to declare me a suppressive person when I was eleven years old but they didn't know where they would send me. [Declaring someone a "suppressive person" or SP is Scientology's version of excommunication. All members in good standing must "disconnect" from an SP or face being declared themselves.]

So that's how I became the first child the Cadet Org put on its own RPF. [The Rehabilitation Project Force is the Sea Org's prison detail, and can take adults years to "graduate" from.] I was segregated from everyone. My parents weren't allowed to talk to me, none of the cadets talked to me. I was on MEST work [menial physical labor] from 7am to 8pm. I had no contact with anyone. I was in a room by myself. I did this for months.

After heavy MEST work, barely any sleep, and serious lack of food, I had a breakdown. I started seeing things, I was so out of it. This caused a flap, so they sent me to my stepmother, Angela, who had been fitness-boarded out of the Sea Org. Once again I was on my own. I love Angela but she's a very serious, stoic, a true English woman. My brother Raphael had always been her favorite and my sister and I knew it. I did my own thing, went to school, came home, had no contact with anyone.

The most vivid memory I have from that time is getting scared so badly by a Sea Org member threatening me with getting dropped off in the middle of East Grinstead by myself that I urinated on myself. I was that scared. I walked from Saint Hill back to Angela's in wet clothes. A two-hour walk.

I always tell my sister that I wish people who are not Scientologists could understand the severe mental, emotional, and psychological abuse that we were subjected to. Yes, the physical abuse was horrific but it didn't have the same impact on me. When I say that I walk alone, I mean that. I trust no one. I walk into a room and my first instinct is to look for every exit and plan my escape if I need it. I will never sit with my back to a room. I can't handle people in my personal space and I hate to be touched. These are just some of the things that I believe are left over from my cadet days.

The only reason that I joined the Sea Org at the age of 14 is that I had nowhere else to go, no family member to live with. The Cadet Org and the Sea Org were all I'd ever known. I had just found out that that my stepfather Albert had died, I wanted some kind of family, and the Sea Org was that for me.

Any ex-Sea Org member will tell you about the complete lack of regard that you get treated with. You're not a person with thoughts, feelings, or emotions. You're there to work and "make things go right" and if you don't do that then you're fucked.

I started working to make money when I was 12, I lived on a park bench when I was 13 for a few days. I survived the Cadet Org. I'm tough, but the Sea Org was hard for me. The lack of sleep, the lack of good food, the lack of respect as a person. The Sea Org breaks you down. You aren't an individual anymore, you're just part of the "3rd dynamic," Hubbard's designation of a group.

I remember having done something wrong one time. I was 15 and Frank, a high-ranking Sea Org member, was pissed off. He shoved me against a wall and started screaming at me about an inch away from my face. He kept spitting, and I reached up and wiped it off my face. He lost it and kept slamming me against a wall in front of other Sea Org members, and they did nothing.

But you have to understand that we were so programmed to look the other way. He's my senior and I'm not allowed to back flash (talk back). You are so scared that you're going to be declared and lose Scientology and everything that comes with it, that you do nothing, and say nothing.

I'm the most argumentative person. I'm curious, I ask questions, I'm the most in-your-face person that I know. I'm brutally honest, I don't do fake, and I'll fight anyone that I feel is backing me into a corner. And yet, I sat there for 19 years and believed in Scientology enough that I disconnected from my mother when I was told to.

Parents that have lost their kids today don't seem to understand that it's the ones who are brought up in Scientology who are the most conditioned. L. Ron Hubbard is the god and Scientology is the only life we know.

I want all non-Scientologists to understand that there's no other life for the lost souls that we were in the Cadet Org. We knew that we weren't important in the grand scheme of things. We got broken down to the point where we had no thoughts of our own. We were the future of Scientology. I remember seeing a protest outside the walls of Saint Hill and thinking to myself, "What's wrong with these people, we're trying to save the world here."

One of my fellow young members of the Cadet Org routed out when she was 15 or 16. Her mother and her sisters were in the Sea Org and her father had been declared years before. So she had no one to turn to. Nowhere to go. She ended up working as a prostitute in a brothel in Zurich, Switzerland. You do whatever you can to survive.

I hate the fact that I have a wall up and can't let anybody get close to me, even my sister, who has had to fight to be in my life. I am jealous of people who have had intact families their entire lives. I feel for my daughter, who will never have the chance to get to know her grandfather or uncles.

It pisses me off that I miss my dad so much. To this day I tear up when thinking about him. That man was my best friend. He broke my heart when he disconnected from me. That hurt still hasn't healed and it's been 13 years. I'll never understand how he could have walked away from me. But that's life in Scientology.

All of those celebrities in the news are not the face of Scientology, we are. The broken ones, the kids who wandered the halls and were never important enough to be looked at, with their hollow bruised dirty faces, sad eyes and tear tracks. Unless you walked in my shoes then you'll never understand, but I hope I have given a small glimmer of what Scientology really is. I'll continue to walk alone, never broke, just badly bent.


Melissa Paris now lives in Texas, where she's attending real estate school. She says she and her daughter Jade are doing very well.



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As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and was sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.



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sue03
sue03

What a heart wrenching story. I am glad you are out. I am just reading Marc Headleys book "Blown for Good", as a non-scientologist, it's a really enlightning read, and I see the paralells with your story in some ways. It is heartbreaking to know this stuff actually still goes on, but I hope for not much longer, as I see a definate public interest lately. I have been following $cientology for over a year now, and I see the difference today. I wish you the best. PS for any one who wants a great read, Marc's book is a great read, and even though it's not a funny subjcet, I love the way he manages to put a bit of humour into it as well.

ashleybee
ashleybee

What is it going to take to have these criminals rounded up and made to pay for their crimes against humanity? I DO NOT understand the lack of action on the side of law enforcement.  It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

 

justwondering
justwondering

I have been reading about Scientology, and the things that ex members have done, I mean no disrespect when  I ask this question, have they ever apologized for the wrongs that they committed against their fellow Scientologists? If they left Scientology because they say they figured out what was being done is not right? I know saying those words. "I'm sorry" could never make up for the things they have done, but have they expressed remorse at all? Mostly I'm speaking about the ex members who came out publicly with the abuse they inflicted, even under "orders" from their higher ups. 

1225paris
1225paris

I wanted to get on here and answer a few of the questions that were asked. Did I go and get counseling or see a therapist, yes I did but I was stubborn and waited till 2008 before I went. I thought that I was ok, just keep everything hidden and that way I won't have to face what I went through, big mistake. First guy I went and saw wanted to study me, do some kind of shock therapy, told me I had the worst case of PTSD he'd ever seen, I ran out of there as fast as I could, I then found an incredible therapist that was well versed in cults and saw her for 2 years. There's still things that I'm unable to talk about even now but she really helped me. I still have nightmares about stonelands where I wake up in a cold sweat and a scream in my throat, hopefully those will eventually go away. I'm not the same person now that I was 13 years ago, I'm a lot stronger now. I was brainwashed at such an early age that even though I knew what was going on was wrong, it was just the norm for me, I didn't know any better, I didn't know that there was a world out there where I could be free, and not get hit or yelled at ever day. I was just jealous of all my non sea org friends because they had a mom and dad, clean clothes, food, heat, and they didnt come to school with bruises every day. One person on here wanted me to answer that even though I was so indoctrinated into the church and it's beliefs, I still knew something was wrong, hence me fighting back all the time. Um, honey when your getting beaten everyday, put in a hole in the ground and locked in, sexually abused, yelled at, spit on, slammed against walls, you don't have to be a rocket scientist or smart to know that regardless of what you've been told, something's wrong!!!!! I tried to call the police one time, they took the phone off the wall, I ran away all the time. They always found me or I'd go home cause I was freezing. This was ALL I knew. Do I give a shit about the celebrities, no I don't. I care about the people that I know that have been abused, lost their families or went through what I went through. The only thing I'd tell them is my story and then I'd walk away. They're able to read the news and see the media shows, it's not like they're sequestered like the cadets and sea org members. Id love to be "cross examined" hopefully the sea org would pull out my 2 big ethics files and my pc files that have documentation of everything I went through, I'm not scared. I actually haven't told half of what I know or what I went through. The best part of being out of the sea org and Scientology is the fact that I can BREATH again. My best memories of being at stone lands was the roof, I would climb as high as I could and sit there for hours, those were the only moments where I felt true freedom as a kid. Now I don't have to find the tallest safest rooftop where I cant be found or reached, now I wake up and just breath :-)

Meggie82461
Meggie82461

@VoiceTonyO So important for people to understand, not judge. Thank you for this article.

Cassidy
Cassidy

THERE SHOULD BE A MOVIE ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY AND ITS ABUSES!!!!!

 

This stuff seems like the perfect psychological horror thriller...why isn't anyone writing even a novel about this????  Fine, disguise the cult, call it something else, put in the standard "any similarity to actual events and persons...is purely coincidental"...but this is great material -- WHY ISN'T THERE ANY FICTION/MOVIE!!!!

texan1976
texan1976

Tony Scott ^ Tom Cruise....Hypnotism?  

 I can’t put my finger on it but something feels very odd about the tragic loss of Director Tony Scott this weekend, his close association with Tom Cruise, perhaps it’s just the way unusual deaths and misery that surround some people/organisations      

 

"Family tell police Tony Scott did NOT have inoperable brain cancer... so what drove him to jump from a Los Angeles bridge?"

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191271/Tony-Scott-death-Top-Gun-director-did-NOT-inoperable-brain-cancer-drove-jump.html#ixzz24ArgdJht    

 

 "Tony Scott Spent Final Days Working With Tom Cruise on ‘Top Gun 2′   The duo were in Nevada late last week touring a Naval air station as part of their research for the movie.

As late as Friday, director Tony Scott was meeting with Tom Cruise to research their planned Top Gun sequel for Paramount.

hollywoodreporter.com/news/tony-scott-dead-tom-cruise-top-gun-2-364131

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Melissa said - "Getting thrown into the Cadet Org at 4 years old scarred me for life."

 

I really don't know how you did it, Melissa. 

 

Being thrown into a regular Kindergarten when I was 5 scarred me for life and it's a

lot better than Cadet Org at 4.

 

You lady will survive anything at this point!

 

I'm happy to be your new friend on FB, among many others

and would love to hear from you here in a comment section,

if you will feel like saying anything.

 

Best wishes to you and your close ones, Melissa!

bruarmhin
bruarmhin

My son was born and raised in the sea org. He left (escaped) when he was 18. He has not had an easy time of it but by now he has mostly recovered. He was semi-literate, could not do arithmetic, knew nothing about history, politics, government, pop culture, or even what people his age considered to be cool. That was almost nine and a half years ago. He is now a senior in college and doing well. But his life as a child in the sea org was horrendous. His mother and his brother disconnected from him. As Melissa says, I think the effects of his bizarre upbringing will always persist to one degree or another.

1225paris
1225paris

@justwondering not that I'm aware of which is why I have zero respect for those people. Take responsibility for your actions, regardless of who ordered you to do whatever!!!

ashleybee
ashleybee

 @1225paris My heart bleeds for the children who were forced into the slavery of Scientology at such a young age.... it may not be my place to say so, but I hope your parents burn in hell (or jail) for eternity for leaving their children.   

AnonymousMeg
AnonymousMeg

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but when a new story goes up we get awfully excited and don't come back to the old ones. So we spread the word that you commented and we all came here because we wanted you to know that we support you 100%! Sounds like you don't need our support though...sounds like you are strong enough on your own :)

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

 @1225paris Well I knew I was misunderstood by other readers here, but now I have confirmation that I was misunderstood by you as well, Melissa, and I apologize for not being more clear about my interest in your story. My intention was not to put you on the defensive. I truly was interested in learning more about your own internal thought processes, particularly because you recounted your internal thoughts in response to seeing protesters outside of Saint Hill.  It was more than apparent that you had suffered terribly. I wasn't asking how you were aware of that, because it was obvious that any child in your situation would be well aware of that. I was simply curious about the fact that--despite the terrible abuse, and despite the fact that you had the strength (I believe I said you had the "temerity") to fight back, you somehow had an internal thought-reaction to the protesters that would be, or could be, proof of "brainwashing".

 

It's clear you despised your environment and your abusers. What child left in your position wouldn't be. So something other than your own conscious will must have led you to have a defensive reaction to the effect of, "What's wrong with these people? Don't they know we are saving the planet?" to the protesters.

 

I was hoping to learn more about how you think that came about; how, despite their mistreatment of you and your hurt,anger and sadness, they were able to get you to put up such a wall against outsiders who were, ostensibly, trying to dismantle the organization which had been victimizing you --and so many others around you-- for so many years.

 

It wasn't that your reaction was so surprising. Anyone can see it in any number of youtube videos of other Sea Org youth being engaged in dialogue by critics/protesters. It is a known phenomenon, and yet, it remains difficult to watch and even more difficult to comprehend at times.

 

Anyone who reads enough knows that these kids are going through utter hell behind closed doors, and yet... they are still quite defensive of the CoS and stay "on message" when confronted by well-meaning outsiders, who wish nothing for them but to become free of the abuse.

 

It is one of my greatest hopes that some of these cases finally get to a jury so that the abuse can truly be exposed on a grand enough scale that more Americans become educated about the abuse, because that is what is most likely to put an end to it.

 

If I am reading your comment correctly, you are saying it was  that you didn't know anything else/this was all you knew, which is understandable. I was hoping to learn more about the details of the indoctrination/"brainwashing" process, but perhaps simply being raised inside the SO is all the indoctrination it takes.

 

Thank you, again, for sharing your experience here, and I can only reiterate that I wish you and your child all the very best that life has to offer.

 

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @1225paris Hello Melissa, someone mentioned that you had responded here today.  Your story is heartbreaking and there are many of us at this blog and in the rest of the "wog" world who knew Scientology was bad...but didn't have any idea exactly HOW bad.  I'm sure it took a lot for you to reach out for help - with what you'd been through, how hard it must've been to trust anyone at all!  It sounds as if you have come a long way and now know there are tools out there that can help you and people who really can come through for you, if you choose them carefully.  God Bless, and keep on growing. 

PreferToBeAnon
PreferToBeAnon

 @1225paris Breathe deeply Melissa!  And please know that your story has helped many. Thank you for sharing this. I can only imagine how hard it was.

Btw, I had no idea they still do shock therapy!

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @1225paris Melissa, I am so glad you got out. I am glad you found a good therapist. (((((HUGS)))) We are on your side and are pulling for you. <3 and ((((HUGS)))) and prayers and good wishes. What you experienced was wrong and unthinkable and I am sorry that no adult or authority figure or governmental authority stepped in and stopped it.  

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

 Melissa,

Your story is heartbreaking but your strength is phenomenal. I wish you peace and I hope you do get a chance to testify to what you know in a court of law one day.

All the best to you.

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @1225paris Thank you for speaking out. You should do it more often because you and your story are very moving and powerful. Best wishes always.

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

 @1225paris

 (((HUGS)))  My heart is breaking for what you went through Melissa.  Stay strong for you and your daughter. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

 

P.S. I hope you fight the bastards that did this to you until the day it all comes falling down around them.

victoriapandora
victoriapandora

 @Cassidy

 There are books AND movies. But maybe you are being ironic.

When google isn't spying on you, it's your friend;)

 

the1d
the1d

 @texan1976

 I doubt that anyone will know why.The news has not disclosed what was on the suicide note.I doubt that Cruise or scientology had anything to do with it.We just have to wait and the answers will come.

1225paris
1225paris

@bruarmhin It probably will. I was the same when I got out at 20, I couldn't even divide. The fact that he has you is great though. Kudos to him for being a senior in college. That's badass!!!

1225paris
1225paris

@DodoTheLaser He won't, I don't think he's a big fan of mine cause I don't believe in Scientology period. I think it's fucking bullshit and nothing but a money making cult, he won't post anything I write on his blog.

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

 @DodoTheLaser Not going to check out the link and give rathbun the site hits and attention he clearly desperately craves. Sorry. 

Sherbet
Sherbet

 @DodoTheLaser Say what you will about Marty -- and I know the exes have  plenty to say -- he's the guy with that absurd cos circus going on right outside his house and the Squirrel Buster videos were real eye-openers to me when I knew nothing about scn.   Anything that exposes this platoon of bullies, fools, and thugs is OK in my book, because it all leads to public scrutiny of cos and scn. 

all.clear
all.clear

@DodoTheLaser ^^^ maybe Einstein sent them.

TheHoleDoesNotExist
TheHoleDoesNotExist

 @DodoTheLaser Cool beans, Dodo and thanks.   Here's something back at 'ya, although a little lamer.  It's posted  2010 but the tech used was much earlier.  It's one of mine on an earlier CD (yes,  a CD)  but the other songs were done in Mad Hatter studios,  with Bernie Kirsch,  in L.A. before Miscavige blasted that joyful palace into oblivion like everything else.   As a dedicated rebel,  I did jazz, blues And country pop rock.    Here's the lyrics of one of my fav songs of mine, and then a lame video. I hope all the Ex's heal somehow, some way.

 

EVEN A HEALER BLEEDS   … TheHoleDoesNotExist

 

Even a Healer Bleeds, Even a Hero Sometimes Breaks

Even the Healing takes some time, Sometimes the Hero shows up late

Even a guardian angel, weathers a cancelled flight

Even our Superman had Kryptonite . When heroes fight

 

Even a Healer Bleeds, even a Hero sometimes cries

Even the Healing takes its toll, Sometimes the role of Hero dies

Even the Best Intentions, even the strongest wall

Even the greatest champions drop the ball .  when heroes fall

 

Even a Healer Bleeds, They even have a Dream or two

Even a garden has some weeds, some times they need some healing too

So if you ever see one, crucified across your screen

Dont be so quick to Rave on, someday you just may need a Healer.

But even healers bleed.

Heroes and Healers bleed, They bleed, live and breathe.

 

http://youtu.be/vcMAqr3sY1E

 

 

 

 

 

1225paris
1225paris

@WhereIsSHE No I understand where your coming from but it's so hard to actually explain how and why I thought the way that I did. We had a constant barrage of "wogs are bad, the outside world is bad, we're trying to clear the planet etc..." and I didn't have anything to dispute that. When I left, I finally was able to get a chance to read and do research myself. You'll find that a lot of Scientology was derived from other physiologists etc.... I believe that's one of the main reasons that LRH made sure to say that physciatry was bad blah blah blah. If I could explain to you my thought process then I would but I can't, that's just all I knew and all I'd being taught. When you get a constant barrage of Scientology every day 24/7 then that's all it takes to be brainwashed. Hope that answered a little bit of your questions.

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @PreferToBeAnon  @1225paris I can confirm that they still do shock therapy. Under anesthesia--it's no longer "The Bell Jar" style shock therapy--but it is still practiced. Whether it should be is another question altogether. Carrie Fisher has had a lot of it and a lot of memory loss with it.

1225paris
1225paris

@PreferToBeAnon Some kind of light shock therapy.

1225paris
1225paris

@PeggyToo I have the mentality of, I would rather die fighting then let any mother f*+£€* back me into a corner!!! Trust, I'll fight the bastards till it finally implodes from the inside out ;)

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

 @Sherbet I know, I know Sherbet. Marty's presence and input is instrumental to a significant degree, despite of his whole Indie Casablanca "real bridge to total freedom" thing. I just wish he would do some TR0 with his own cognitive dissonance, a.k.a "great middle path" and stop calling people punks (unless they are squirrel busters). I actually respect what Marty does and appreciate it, as far as exposing abuses. Heck, I visit his blog almost daily. I'm waiting for a day when he will EP Scientology though and will talk about it. Or simply admit being a punk himself at times and publicly apologize to some legendary critics. That's all.  

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

 @all.clear  @DodoTheLaser That's funny!  I bet he did. Seriously though, I think Marty is about to release a major story, mark my words. That's probably why DM sent the poor PI to his porch, TR0-9 my ass. Get some popcorn, folks.

victoriapandora
victoriapandora

 @TheHoleDoesNotExist  @DodoTheLaser

 That's beautiful. I wonder if you were in L.A. when the artists started call ourselves "renegade scientologists"? We were being driven out in droves.

You're teh awesome, even if I never knew you before, I am happy to know you again.

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

I think I have a better understanding now, actually, so thank you for sharing even further.

It's important for those of us on the outside to be aware of what people on the inside--particularly the children/young adults--are being "taught".

Perhaps in learning such details, we can be more sensative when engaging with those who are still so mistrustful of our intentions. That would certainly be a more helpful way to reach out to those who really need some kindness extended their way.

 

Grateful for your reply.

JohnPCapitalist
JohnPCapitalist

 @ClamOnAHalfshell  @PreferToBeAnon  @1225paris Yes, memory loss is indeed a frequent effect of electro-convulsive therapy (ECT).  The good news is that with the improvement in the quality of anti-depressants, ECT is not used as often as it was in the past.  Today, ECT is now relatively narrowly applied to cases where patients suffer severe depression that is medication-resistant.  Most patients who are trapped in that state are willing to put up with the memory loss for a relatively high success rate for the treatment.  ECT is usually considered the last alternative to try when nothing else works, but the good news is that if it is necessary, the odds of success are far higher than what most people believe.  

 

The use of newer paralytics like pancuronium ensures complete paralysis, so the stereotyped images in popular culture of physical reaction to the application of the voltage are no longer seen.  There are some experimental treatments such as transcranial magnetic resonance and vagus nerve stimulation, which have produced interesting results in some cases, which will probably point the way to more effective energy-based treatments in the future.  

 

Too bad Hubbard's view of psychiatry is 60 years old.  A lot has happened since then, most of which makes Scientology's criticisms of the profession all the more laughable. 

 

Be clear that I am a realist when it comes to the benefits, costs and issues with the field of psychiatry.  Personally, I'm concerned that too many people take psych drugs for problems that they could solve through action-oriented behavioral psychotherapy (from a psychologist), people don't manage their medications well (especially tapering off problematic meds that require 2-3 weeks to get off of properly), overdiagnosing of ADHD and various conduct disorders among young males, and other things. These are legitimate concerns, but are a long ways from creating the need for "psych Armageddon" that the crazies in the cult keep trying (with laughable lack of success) to foment.  

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

 @PoisonIvy This isn't new. He deletes any comments on his site that disagree with his views in any way, and bans the commenter. He still reveres LRH as a demi-god. 

 

The man left because he was no longer being given his previous glory and power in the cult. Beyond that, nothing about him has changed. 

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @DodoTheLaser Per that little comment on his blog, apparently Marty considers VV hostile to him now.  I wonder why? (especially since Tony has gone out of his way to treat him fairly.) I feel like the honest and intelligent debate about the indies and what their future may hold here is really useful, for exes of all stripes.  So, does this mean that ANY open discussion, disagreement, debate or criticism are considered "ad hominem" attacks now?  Careful, Marty.  There's someone else who follows that line of black and white thinking...the guy you are trying to take down for doing just that.  Please don't turn into him.

victoriapandora
victoriapandora

 @DodoTheLaser

 Never really thought of us as "degenerates engaging in sick ad hominem" attacks. As a matter of fact this is one of the finest mix of people I have ever seen in a comments section. Heh.

 

From Marty's comments;

 Jay | August 20, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Reply

Hey Marty a while ago I posted the fact that Brian Mandigo is a ….

martyrathbun09 | August 20, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Reply

Listen Punk, you want to make accusations like that go the Village Voice or anti-Marty blogs or somewhere else that thrives on degenerates engaging in sick ad hominem.

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