Narconon Not Scientology? Then Why Is Its Leader in the Church's Concentration Camp?

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Where's Rena?
On Saturday, we took you inside the troubled Scientology drug treatment center in eastern Oklahoma, Narconon Arrowhead.

Three deaths have occurred at the center since October, and the most recent of them, Stacy Murphy, 20, was found on the morning of July 19.

A former patient who knew Stacy told us what conditions were like at the center, which uses Scientology's odd "training routines" rather than drug counseling. We also talked to a former employee of the facility who told us about the shaky history of Narconon Arrowhead's certification by the state of Oklahoma. Even before the recent deaths, he told us, officials at the center had worried that its certification was "vulnerable."

And now, we have startling information about the connection between Narconon and Scientology itself which, like so many other stories we've explored here, brings us right back to church leader David Miscavige's concentration camp for executives, known as "The Hole."

We've noticed that news organizations have a tendency to characterize Narconon as "affiliated with" the church or, as one Oklahoma TV station put it, "associated with the teachings of Scientology."

We even found one story about the investigation into Murphy's death -- in the Tulsa World -- that didn't mention Scientology at all.

That tells us that reporters either don't understand the real connection between Scientology and its drug-treatment front group, or worse -- they're operating under the notion that it's for some reason inappropriate to go there.

We're hoping this story addresses that.

It's true that Scientology and Narconon sometimes do their best to give the impression that they have little to do with each other. The drug treatment centers are each non-profit corporations of their own. They pay licensing fees to a non-profit umbrella organization called the Association for Better Living and Education, or ABLE.

ABLE, in turn, is careful to say that it is a secular "social betterment" organization that uses the ideas of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, but is not a part of the church itself.

These are smokescreens. As researchers have shown for years, Narconon is under the tight control of Scientology and its elite corps of quasi-military leaders in the church's "Sea Org."

-- Only Sea Org members can be employed at ABLE, which itself grew out of Scientology's notorious "Guardian's Office," responsible for a vast 1970s infiltration of federal government offices that was broken up by the FBI.

-- From the beginning, the connections between the organization that would become ABLE and Scientology were obfuscated so Narconon and the other "social betterment" programs could be kept strictly under Scientology control while masking that connection from the public.

-- Narconon Arrowhead itself was designed at Scientology's International Base east of Los Angeles, says an executive who worked there at the time.

-- And the most troubling connection between Narconon and Scientology, which has not been reported previously: For at least the past five years, the woman who is the president of ABLE, the umbrella group that runs Narconon and Scientology's front groups that try to get Hubbard's "technology" into public schools, has been a prisoner of Miscavige's hellish concentration camp for Scientology officials at Int Base.

Her name is Rena Weinberg, and we have eyewitness accounts that place her in "The Hole" from at least 2007 to 2012.

We put it to our fellow journalists, and to the officials looking into Narconon in Oklahoma and Quebec and Georgia and Michigan and everywhere else the drug treatment centers are being investigated and sued -- if Narconon and its parent company ABLE are secular and independent of Scientology, why is ABLE's president languishing in the church's notorious California desert prison?


1. SoCo and Snow White

As we mentioned in our previous story, Narconon was started by an Arizona prison inmate named Bill Benitez in 1966. Narconon's website has a glowing history of Benitez helping other inmates after he'd discovered value in the books of L. Ron Hubbard. What the website doesn't mention, however, is that when Narconon was incorporated in 1970, two other people involved in that incorporation were Henning Heldt and Arthur "Arte" Maren, senior members of Scientology's "Guardian's Office."

British historian Chris Owen explains why that's significant:

A decade later, Heldt was in prison along with L. Ron Hubbard's wife and eleven other Guardian's Office staff, Maren and Hubbard himself were named as "unindicted co-conspirators" and the Guardian's Office was exposed as the instigator of a massive international campaign of espionage and intimidation aimed at anyone who Scientology saw as a threat: governments, newspapers, businesses, individuals. It was eventually disbanded in 1982 after losing a power struggle with the present management of the Church of Scientology.

The extent of the Guardian's Office's espionage became clear in 1977, when the FBI raided Scientology offices in Washington D.C. and Los Angeles, seizing documents which spelled out the program of infiltrating federal offices, a program Hubbard had called Operation Snow White. Among the documents seized, Owen points out, were Guardian's Office records which showed that Narconon and Applied Scholastics (Scientology's school curriculum arm) were part of a group of organizations collectively known as Social Coordination, or "SoCo," and were intended to be front groups with their connection to Scientology hidden.

When the Guardian's Office was disbanded as Mary Sue Hubbard and the others went to prison for Operation Snow White, SoCo remained in existence and was later transformed into ABLE.

"Formerly our name was Social Coordination. ABLE's purpose is 'To create a total revolution in the fields of drugs, crime and education by pushing LRH tech into wide, wide use'," announced ABLE's first newsletter, in 1988.

If Scientology sometimes plays down how much its Sea Org and its top entities, like its secretive "Watchdog Committee," exert control over ABLE, it's less shy in internal documents meant for other Scientologists. From a 1988 document showing how the church entities were set up following a complex reorganization years earlier, there was this diagram that made it quite clear that ABLE was just another "sector" in the world of Scientology:

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And more recently, the Voice obtained secret plans for Scientology's new "Flag Mecca" building in Clearwater, Florida that has been under construction since 1998 and is still not open. Also known as the "Super Power Building," schematics show that much of the building's first floor celebrates Scientology's various divisions with elaborate displays. In the following diagram, you can see that ABLE's various programs -- including Narconon and Applied Scholastics -- will be honored along with Scientology's "orgs" (its word for churches) in a set of circular rooms (click the image to expand):


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[In the left room, you can see the displays set aside for the "orgs," the program WISE, which targets chiropractors and dentists and accountants and other businessmen with Hubbard "admin technology," IHELP-- the International Hubbard Ecclesiastical League of Pastors (an association for field auditors), and the Volunteer Ministers, the yellow-jacket wearing Scientologists who show up at disaster sites to offer a faith-healing technique called "touch assists." In the room on the right are displays for the groups under ABLE -- Criminon, the church's reform program in prisons, Narconon, The Way to Happiness Foundation, which disseminates Hubbard's 1980 booklet of generic life advice, and Applied Scholastics.]

From its incorporation in 1988, ABLE has only employed members of the Sea Org -- the hardcore elite of Scientology, who tend to be recruited very young from the ranks of second-generation church members.

A year after it was founded, ABLE hired a 16-year-old Sea Org member to become its vice president of personnel, and he was put in charge of staffing up a crucial new project, to open Narconon's first really large residential facility on an Indian reservation in Chilocco, Oklahoma.

His name was Marc Headley.


2. ABLE bodied seamen

We've written about Headley's later adventures at Scientology's International Base, where he labored for pennies an hour as one of the technical workers, helping David Miscavige put out taped Hubbard lectures, put on video displays at events, and develop new e-meters. Eventually, Headley escaped from the base in 2005 with his wife Claire, and the two later sued Scientology for their years of sub-minimum wage work and for the two forced abortions Claire says she had to endure. (That lawsuit was dismissed and recently failed to be reinstated on appeal.)

Before he went to the base, however, when Marc was a new Sea Org member, he found himself working at ABLE in Hollywood, where he was at least paid minimum wage.

"It was supposed to be a separate entity from Scientology. So we got paid minimum wage and wore civilian clothes -- 'upstat civvies,' they were called," he says. "It was minimum wage, but we were only being paid for a 40-hour week, even though we were working 100-hour weeks."

While he was making a few dollars an hour, meanwhile, Headley says there was a push for ABLE to bring in big money. And the executives in charge of that effort were told to find a way to get the government on the hook to pay for the social betterment programs, as well as to go the tried-and-true route of hitting up wealthy Scientologists and celebrities.

"All the big time Scientologists were being pressured to give money to ABLE," Headley says. "When I was there Kirstie Alley gave $300,000 to Narconon."

And getting her to fork that over had been an elaborate operation.

"We recorded a video of Jeff Pomerantz talking like a news anchor about Narconon, to reg her," he says, using the word, pronounced "rej," which is short for "registrar," the name for church officials who pressure members to donate money.

"She came down to the Celebrity Centre, saw the video, and gave $300,000. It was a really big deal. You didn't normally bring in that much in a week," he says.

Headley, meanwhile, was tasked with a major undertaking a thousand miles away. "My job was to put together a mission, to put together all of these people who were going to set up Narconon Chilocco," he says, and admits that he failed miserably. "I could never get anyone who was qualified."

As we wrote in our previous story, at the time Narconon was courting several Indian tribes in Oklahoma who were trying to figure out what to do with an old school that had been closed down. Saying nothing about its ties to Scientology, Narconon persuaded the Ponca tribe to sign a 25-year lease for several former school buildings.

They were opposed by Bob Lobsinger, the editor of a local newspaper, the Newkirk Herald Journal, who had discovered the connection between Narconon and the church.

"That guy at the Herald Journal, he was the nemesis of ABLE. That guy was so far up their asses," Headley says.

Despite that local opposition and the state Department of Mental Health's refusal to grant the center certification, Narconon eventually won its battle with the state when it obtained approval from a private certification group.

Scientology was determined to expand its drug treatment program and make claims that Narconon was the biggest, most effective program in existence. (Experts have repeatedly debunked the 75 to 90 percent effectiveness rates that Narconon claims -- the best legitimate drug treatment programs never claim that more than about 25 percent of their patients will stay off drugs in the long term.)

Why was Scientology pushing Narconon so hard? It's important to remember that in 1989 through 1991, when it was fighting the battle of Chilocco, Scientology did not have tax-exempt status. The church's all-out war with the IRS had been going on for 25 years, and the government had repeatedly won court decisions backing up its position that Scientology was a business, not a church, even if it did have social betterment programs. Then, suddenly, in 1991, the IRS threw in the towel. Over the next two years, it hammered out a secret agreement with Scientology giving the church just about everything it was asking for.

That secret agreement was leaked in 1997, and from it we can see that the IRS clearly characterized ABLE and Narconon as "Scientology-related entities."

By then, Marc Headley had been moved to the International Base, east of Los Angeles, where, a few years later, he watched as a new, even larger Narconon center in Oklahoma was being planned by church executives.

"That whole place was designed and set up by Sea Org members, and approved by David Miscavige," he says. "I was there when we did it, at Int Base. I saw it happening."

Although Narconon had a 25-year lease at Chilocco, in 2001 it closed the facility and moved to the Arrowhead Lodge about 200 miles to the southeast, where it is today.

Headley says the Narconon facility is treated by Scientology the same way it treats one of its local churches, called orgs.

"It's set up the exact same way an org is. Any Scientology org is its own corporation, but they have to get trademarks and licensing from the Religious Technology Center," he says, referring to Scientology's controlling entity. "And they have to be inspected by RTC, and that's how they control it, but not own it. The Narconons are all set up the same way. It's a shell game they play."

And the point of the game?

"So Scientology can say it has the best drug treatment record in the world," Headley says.

Marty Rathbun, formerly the second-highest ranking official in the church until he defected in 2004, noted recently at his blog that Scientology is quick to claim Narconon as its own when it wants to raise funds from wealthy members, but when the drug treatment center runs into trouble, the church claims to have no connection to it...

When failed products of Narconon brought complaints to media or authorities, Scientology Inc. did everything it could to distance itself from Narconon, claiming zero connection or responsibility for its operation. The public at large, possessing a good measure of common sense, couldn't help but note the hypocrisy.

As I talked with Headley, several times he mentioned the name of ABLE's president, Rena Weinberg.

She was from South Africa, he said, and had been recruited into the Sea Org at a very young age. For her work with Applied Scholastics, she'd been named an early Freedom Medal Winner, the highest award David Miscavige can bestow on a Scientologist.

Every time Headley said it, Weinberg's name struck a chord in my memory. And then I remembered where I'd seen it -- in our story last Thursday, Weinberg's was just one of more than a hundred names of Sea Org executives who had spent time in Miscavige's notorious office-prison, known as "The Hole."

"Yeah, how does that work? If ABLE has nothing to do with Scientology, how did she end up in the Hole at Int Base?" Headley asked when I made the connection.

But how long was she in The Hole?

I checked first with Mike Rinder, who had been Scientology's chief spokesman and who had been a prisoner in the Hole in 2006-2007 -- was Weinberg in with him at that time, which was during the gulag's most hellish early period?

Yes, he told me.

And was she still a prisoner in 2010, when John Brousseau left the base in April of that year?

Yes, Brousseau tells me.

And I now have a report that Weinberg was still a prisoner in the Hole just a few months ago.

So three witnesses tell the Voice that for at least five years, Rena Weinberg has been confined to the special prison detail for the Church of Scientology's fallen executives at its International Base in Riverside County, California -- through its most nightmarish period and up to more recent times, when more humane conditions have been introduced.

ABLE's website, however, still has a happy message from its president, giving no indication that she's fallen from favor, or was made to eat slop three times a day, or has spent years taking part in brutal mass confessions...


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Weinberg apparently continues to run Scientology's "secular" programs while confined to its ecclesiastical prison.

On Thursday night, NBC's Rock Center will give the Oklahoma Narconon deaths national exposure. And we've heard that the network is fending off a severe pummeling from Scientology's attorneys in advance of the show.

Gary Soter, the church's mouthpiece attorney, has never answered my requests for comment.

Hey, NBC, do us all a favor and ask him this question.

Where's Rena?



See also:
"Tom Cruise worships David Miscavige like a god"
Scientology's president and the death of his son: our complete coverage
What Katie is saving Suri from: Scientology interrogation of kids
Scientology's new defections: Hubbard's granddaughter and Miscavige's dad
Scientology's disgrace: our open letter to Tom Cruise
Scientology crumbling: An entire mission defects as a group
Scientology leader David Miscavige's vanished wife: Where's Shelly?
Neil Gaiman, 7, Interviewed About Scientology by the BBC in 1968
The Master Screenplay: Scientology History from Several Different Eras
And a post that pulls together the best of our Scientology reporting

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Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.


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614 comments
jayed
jayed

With all the information that's available about this infamous "Hole" and its prisoners, what I do not understand is why the FBI hasn't gone in and raided the place! The prisoners were taken from various states (across state lines), so that would seem to make it a federal offense (as if kidnapping weren't enough).

deeh
deeh

Dear livefyre

thank you so much for totally destroying a really good blog due to your program ineptitude and it's one click a comment reading system when we was told that we was getting you we was all so happy when it was pointed out just how much better our blog/comment life would be but after trying you out for a month i have to say that if this was a marriage i would want a divorce!

 

unfaithfully your's bring back disqus 

 

deeh

sue03
sue03

This may have been posted but there is a NBC Narconon Rock Centre Party on facebook. David Love, Tory and a host of others have joined including myself. Please join us!!!

PreferToBeAnon
PreferToBeAnon

This has me so upset I couldn't sleep...  http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/841009

This is a press release about Narconon Georgia participating in a community event in Atlanta. When will civic leaders wake up and understand what they are promoting?  I hope the press keeps reporting on this.  Tony, you are doing such a mitzvah--keep it up!

exileandcunning
exileandcunning

For anyone who was arguing with Carisa down there (or was just enraged by her) I have to recommend this link, originally provided by  Capt._Howdy: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/sources/reports/hogg.htm  It goes through and debunks a bunch of things about the "Purif," step by step, with quotes by Hubbard contrasted with real science.  I hadn't seen anything like this before, maybe the rest of you have but for me this is great background and actual proof as to why the Purif is based on quackery and is harmful.  It's not super long, basically a good intro to why Narconon is BS.

PreferToBeAnon
PreferToBeAnon

I just heard that Rev Sun Myung Moon has been hospitalized with pneumonia. Do you think he saw someone with a Xenu t-shirt?

FLUNK
FLUNK

disqus wasn't perfect, but it was better.

Those were the days. You could "discuss."

Now we can post URL's, but there ain't no groove.

FLUNK
FLUNK

Did you know that some "anti-oxidants" speed the growth of certain tumors?

I was a Scientopoulos for a while, and I know the culture. They are consumers of mega-vitamins.

 

Sherbet
Sherbet

Sigh...LiveFyre is still a mess.  A post I made yesterday just loaded AGAIN.  And I can't load "50 more."  The only good news is that Twitter message is gone.

Sherbet
Sherbet

Like others here, I'm so annoyed with LiveFyre today.  It would be nice if, when I click on a post listed in my activity list, I'd get transported directly to that post.  It used to work, maybe once in 12 tries.  Today, nuthin'.

Lemont
Lemont

At least I can load some comments today.

 

What seems to prevent me from loading the older posts is a twitter post.

 

I can load about half of the posts, and the "load 50" comment button sits alone.  Then, suddenly, the "load 50" button has a twitter comment next to it, and at that point it's a 100% guarantee it wil not load.

honeycat155
honeycat155

wow great info tonite all posters,really enjoyin your view.

deElizabethan
deElizabethan

OK, OLDEST and NEWEST i'm stuck with the twitter which won't move. Dang, will take a break!

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

What wogs do not understand is that Narconon is the only 100% effective program that gets people off drugs and keeps them off drugs forever. If getting people permanently off drugs is a bad thing, thing we in RTC plead guilty as charged of helping others.

 

Our social betterment programs have improved the lives of billions of people all over the world for decades. Again, if improving the lives of billions of people everyday in countless ways using safe, proven, and effective social betterment programs is a crime, then we in RTC once again plead guilty as charged of helping others.

 

Because we are the most ethical group on the planet and deliver 100% standard on source Tech, we in the Church of Scientology have never produced an overt product.By definition, only someone who has overts can produce overt products. Therefore, anyone who has a "complaint" about any Scientology product or service does so as they have hidden crimes -- and usually quite evil hidden crimes in which they have destroyed planets, enslaved populations, and implanted others.

Respondent
Respondent

@jayed, because it's a "church" and thus protected and we can't go in an investigate its "religious doings"

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @exileandcunning Actually I believe someone posted that link before me. I think it was either "TheHoleDoesntExist" or "AussieCase". Thanks anyway.

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

 @PreferToBeAnon No, he must have read OT3 without having properly applied tech.  Quick....let's call up Marty Rathbun or Carisa so he can be healed with correct application of the woooooo.

exileandcunning
exileandcunning

 @PreferToBeAnon I just wish they had contested the 75% success rate more.  They quoted it twice, the second time claiming it was from a survey of graduates (as if it was a real study), and neither time mentioned that there is no documented data, or that it would be impossible to have such a high rate, given the industry norm... If I didn't know anything about NN or SCN and read this article, I might actually believe that stat, since they give no indication it's not true until the very end, when David Love says the stat is false, but the article ends right there.  I hope no desperate parents read that article and think it might be worth a try... hopefully anyone reading it will be scared off by the scn connections and the deaths.

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

 @PreferToBeAnon

 

Quote by Pouw......

 

 As for recent incidents that generated unfavorable publicity for Scientology, Pouw said: "There is no relationship to any of these things, other than the continued growth of the Church and its social and humanitarian programs.''

 

Can anyone translate this into english???

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

@PreferToBeAnon

Karin Pouw is back!  And back on the ol' broken record:

"Pouw said media have misrepresented facts about the Oklahoma investigation, but offered no specifics. As for recent incidents that generated unfavorable publicity for Scientology, Pouw said: "There is no relationship to any of these things, other than the continued growth of the Church and its social and humanitarian programs.''

Move along, nothing to see here.

Oh, and David Love "Has an anti-Scientology agenda."  

So much for my theory that DM had brought in an outside damage control PR team.

 

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @PreferToBeAnon I love those guys.  Like Tony O, they have steelier cajones than the rest of the media put together.

ziontologist
ziontologist

 @FLUNK 

 The rate of vitamin use is higher among cancer patients than in the general population.

exileandcunning
exileandcunning

 @FLUNK That's an interesting theory... also, a lot of them have been exposed to asbestos on their stupid cruise ship, although I think that only causes one type of cancer... they could have also been exposed to other harmful building materials too, I'm guessing that DM and other scilons are the type to disregard safety warnings.  It could be a combination of a bunch of factors, with sleep deprivation and high stress levels not helping matters.  And of course I don't think most of them get chemo or treatment... Their OT powerz will cover it, right?

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

 @Sherbet

 It's still there. I am able to scroll '50 more' about 4 times, then the Tweet shows up and freezes the system up again.  Refresh and start all over again.  I swear, I think a Scilon tweeted on purpose to screw things up.

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

 @Lemont

 JohnP has a memo in to Tony. Apparently the situation is being looked into. John thinks he knows what the problem is. Woo hoo, lets hope HellFyre can fix it.

sue03
sue03

 @PreferToBeAnon

 Hi not very good at this but if you are on facebook look up  NBC Rock Centre Narconon Watch Party then all you do is join!  

PreferToBeAnon
PreferToBeAnon

What happened to my post?  Grrrrrr... and, of course, it wasn't saved in the box after I posted it like it was doing yesterday. 

PreferToBeAnon
PreferToBeAnon

 @exileandcunning I agree on that... a bit more research and factoids would have helped.  But at least the relationship with $ci is made clear and, obviously, the deaths are made known. Pouw's comments were unambiguously lame.  Let's hope Childs and Tobin will keep on this and do a followup!

Sherbet
Sherbet

 @PeggyToo   Translation:  "Nothing to see here.  Move along, move along."

JakobCracker
JakobCracker

 @PoisonIvy so how come all Narconon's have to send a percentage of their profits to Scientology?

sue03
sue03

 @PoisonIvy

 But is she really back, did anyone see her, I'm thinking she is on vaction at Hemut 

Sherbet
Sherbet

 @PeggyToo Thanks.  The post below is one I made yesterday, and it mysteriously showed up again a little while ago as if I had just posted it.  As my son would say, What the frack? 

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

 @Lemont

 480 comments and probably 150 are about this crazy system.

(eyes rolling)

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 @MrsLibnish Please! We in RTC don't need a dilettante like you shoving Psych videos at us. For your information, Jason Beghe is a declared SP whose only terminal in is the IJC.

 

And yes, Jason, we in RTC can show you a motherfucking Clear. In fact we can show you 11,962,013,489 Clears that Scientology has made this year alone at Flag. We can also show you 4,796,185 OT's that the Church has made this year at Flag and on the Freewinds.

 

With  3,287,222 Ideal Orgs scattered across the 15,901 countries of the globe, Scientologists stand at the vanguard of social betterment with programs that promote literacy, drug prevention, and guarding the Earth from a Marcab mass invasion.

 

We in RTC are doing are part; are you?

 

Please donate to Project Mouse Table today.

AussieCase
AussieCase

 @WhereIsSHE This is the logic. Someone is making fun of Scientology, but it cannot because Scientology is so insane that it seems funny when you step back and look at it.

 

No, no that cannot be it. The must have crimes if they are making fun of Scientology, so attack the criminal. Ron said they must have crimes.

 

But what crimes do these people have? Ahh "baby rape!"  Let me accuse them of raping a baby, that will point out that they are criminals for instituting Scientology is crazy.

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @WhereIsSHE Why am I not surprised ?

 

" "AIDS is a state of mind, not a disease," is the reason (Jenna) Elfman gave in 1999 for refusing to support a charity for HIV-positive children. "

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

Sort of like when the poor low-level PR folks who work for whatever crappy PR company represents Lindsay Lohan these days.

These poor saps who are assigned to say crap like this after LL crashes yet another pricey rental vehicle: "There is no relation between Ms. Lohan's rental Porsche and the damage to Mr. Honest Citizen's vehicle. Lindsay Lohan is a big Hollywood Star! She can act, and sing, and dance!! Her lips are NOT enhanced! If you think they are, you CLEARLY need the "Visual Rundown! We will help you to SEE more clearly than ever before! And it only costs $10,000 US per week (but may take you several weeks to complete, depending on which CRIMES you have committed and how long it takes us to see how much more money we can extract from you before we know the full list of your crimes). And YES, we have the "tech" to help you SEE things that ordinary humans will never SEE! You will become a SEE-OLOGIST! You will SEE that you are not just YOU. You will SEE that you are INHABITED by OTHERS from past lives who are weighing you down=( But do not despair! We have the ONLY true "tech" to help you safely dispatch of these miserable OTHERS, and it will only cost you as much as we can clear out of your bank accounts and other assets that can be liquidated! But getting back to our STARLET! Lindsay Lohan is exponentially expanding her amazing success right this very moment! She is now a director, 1st assistant director, 2nd assistant director,  producer, executive producer, unit manager, production coordinator, post-production supervisor, screenwriter, script supervisor, stunt coordinator, stunt director, locations manager, assistant locations manager, location scout, location production assistant, legal counsel, accountant, insurance broker, systems administrator, art director, illustrator, set designer, set decorator, buyer, lead man, set dresser, greensman, construction coordinator, head carpenter, key scenic, props master, props maker, weapons master, costume designer, key costumer, costume standby, art finisher, costume buyer, cutter, make-up artist,  grip, key grip, best boy.... --gulp of air-- and did we mention that Lindsay Lohan is not only a BIG HOLLYWOOD SUCCESS STORY, but she is a LONG-STANDING and COMMITTED MEMBER OF THE SEE-ING-NESS?!!!!  There is no need for you to be an every-day, run-of-the-mill, unenlightened MEAT-BODY. Come take our friendly test and see if you are elligible to be a SEE-er. DO it TODAY. Do it NOW. A second ago is too late!!!! HURRY, HURRY!!!!!!!! Bring your bank account info; your D.O.B.; your SS#; your DRIVER'S LICENSE; your PASSPORT; your BIRTH CERTIFICATE; your SPOUSE (sorry, we do not take "domestic partners"--we'll explain our nasty discrimination policies later); your CHILDREN (it's OK if the kids are gay; we'll "HANDLE" that later via our SHAME-RUN DOWN); your SIBLINGS (if you want to see them/speak to them ever again); your PARENTS (if they have $$$$$ or if they can do hard labor); your co-workers, neighbors, babysitters, dog-walkers, etc. It's the ultimate BIG TENT PARTY here!!!!! And don't forget... Lindsay Lohan is a STARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @PeggyToo  @Sherbet Scientology sentences tend to use  a lot of words and say nothing.  I think what she's trying to do is say that these media-created scandals are non-related while also slipping the meme that the Church of Scientology is going through an unprecedented world expansion and spreading its social and humanitarian programs near and far.

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

 @Sherbet

 I'm really glad they don't tiptoe around the fact that Narconon is Scn owned.

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

 @Sherbet

 Yeah got that, but the sentence doesn't make sense to me.  But then again, does anything in Scn make sense?  I guess I answered my own question.

exileandcunning
exileandcunning

 @LaLa104  @MrsLibnish  @OTVIIIisGrrr8! The first time I read OTVIII I thought he was real too... the only thing that threw me off was his handle, so i kept reading and eventually I realized it was a parody... Real scibots that post here are so over the top and crazy almost nothing would seem unbelievable at this point.

exileandcunning
exileandcunning

 I'm glad "number of countries in the world" is upstat this week! 

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 @PoisonIvy  If  @Jgg2012 does not pay the aforementioned freeloader bill then they will never be allowed to do A-E and re-enter the Church of Scientology. All people who fail to pay their Freeloader Bills automatically lose their eternity and forfeit their Bridge forever and ever and disappear into an inky blackness located that way -->

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 @Sherbet $40,000 to get the car badge and the T-shirt.

 

And no, Katie did not get Tom's burlwood pen. Factually, Tom  traded Suri for the burlwood pen.

LaLa104
LaLa104

 @MrsLibnish  @OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 Mrs. L... OTVIII is our resident humorist... I look forward to his  posts... He does come across as the real deal, don't he?..LOL

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @Jgg2012 Referring to my favorite picture of L Ron Hubbard EVER???!?!!

Lemont
Lemont

 @Sherbet  @Jgg2012 

 

He also would have liked to dynamite the trout.  That's widely practiced in Indonesia, and seems like it might be right up DM's, umm, alley.

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 @PoisonIvy We in RTC are happy to see that you as a wog understand that you, by your very nature, have a lower IQ and abilities than Scientologists. This is a "VGI" (very good indicator) that means you are "in need of change" and reaching for Scientology.

 

You will need several thousand hours of Scientology processing to raise your IQ and abilities. Please drop by your nearest Ideal Org today to get started. A few hundred hours of talking to an ashtray is the right way to begin your Bridge.

 

To clarify the Org chart: We in RTC only handle secret compartments, hideouts, boltholes, and contingency escape planning for COB RTC David Miscavige.

 

CST handles all other secret compartments, etc.

Jgg2012
Jgg2012

It would show up on the emeter.

Sherbet
Sherbet

 @Jgg2012 That's the only thing DM liked about trout fishing.

Jgg2012
Jgg2012

Miscavige would die to have him.  He's glib!

Jgg2012
Jgg2012

The emeter would show that the trout are in pain--it said that about a tomato.

Jgg2012
Jgg2012

"That is just too much work for us."   Not if you have 8,000 locations and 22 million members.

"the first person to be declared an SP on VV"  What about Tony Ortega?

"$2,000,000 FREELOADER BILL" OK, I'll pay it over a billion years--that is one cent every 5 years.

MrsLibnish
MrsLibnish

 @PoisonIvy  @OTVIIIisGrrr8!

Damn you 8!  I had to post that shit twice!  Windows wanted to download the latest updates and kicked me out...oh well...I'll save it for later.  Hopefully, a Scientologist will call my phone or come knocking on my door.  Wouldn't that be fun! 

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @MrsLibnish  @OTVIIIisGrrr8! Mrs. L, welcome.  The subject is addictive.  Mr. OTVIII is a master of satire and irony.  He's not a real Scion!  (He's THAT good, he's fooled a lot of newcomers!)

MrsLibnish
MrsLibnish

 @OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 

Weeeee, and we're off!

 

Easy there 8, don't get your panties in a wad.  Based on sales figures of the latest version of the E Meter there are about 10,000 to 15,000 practicing Scientologists.  So, your figures above don't jive at all mathematically, on any level.  Even outer space.

 

I will say that before TomKat split the sheets I didn't know jack shit about Scientology.  But after seeing how covertly she extricated herself from her marriage and came to a speedy resolution, I said to myself "Self, maybe there is something to this Scientology crap".  Since then, I have logged more than 100 hours researching Scientology.  I have read everything I can get my hands on.  After I was done with the Paul Haggis vs COS, I was bummed out.  Like the feeling you get when you finish a really good novel.  Then I realized...THIS SHIT  IS REAL LIFE! WTF!!.  I have scoured the internet and when I came accross OTVIII written in LRH's own hand, I couldn't believe what a fantastic find I had made!  I just don't see how, after reading that, you don't pee in your pants from laughter. Guess what? I know everything I need to know about the cult of Scientology and I learned it for FREE!!

 

I am very excited to come accross this webpage and Marty's blog.  I want to be able to keep current on Scion happenings.  Because someone is going to jail very soon!  Most likely COB.  But he will bring down anyone and everyone he can kick under that bus.

 

The Outies that post here have some of the best senses of humor I have come accross on blogs.  These Exes have survived the most tremendous mind fucking financially, emotionally and mentally and exited with their sense of humor intact.  That is hardcore and says alot about their strength.

 

So, 8, when you are ready to blow, at least you know that there are strong people here that can pick you up and dust you off.  Consider yourself lucky.

 

I don't have time to argue semantics with you (regarding your post) as I just got home from work and have a house to run.  Someone forgot to replace the toilet paper roll.  Maybe I should RPF them.  On one point, however, I will disagree.  I don't think Jason is SP.   His video compared to the infamous Tom Cruise video is miles apart.  Tom Cruise rambles, makes no sense and looks like he is hypnotized or on drugs. Mr. Beghe is concise, humble and honest.  I would submit that he isn't SP, David Miscavige is SP.  He gives several good facts that point to that and it's all over the internet.  Go look.

 

 

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @OTVIIIisGrrr8! Now that  @Jgg2012  has officially been declared SP by you, what possible motivation would he/she ever have to pay his/her freeloader bill?  The RTC may have to eat that one.

Sherbet
Sherbet

 @PoisonIvy  Auditing can raise your IQ.  I know it's true, because LRH said so.

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 @Jgg2012 We in RTC were just about to mail you your SP Declare when we realized that WE NEEDED 5,000,000,000 SHEETS OF GOLDENROD TO LIST ALL OF YOUR CRIMES!!!!!

 

That is just too much work for us.

 

Consider yourself to have the honor of being the first person to be declared an SP on VV.

 

Congratulations.

 

NOW PAY US YOUR $2,000,000 FREELOADER BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @OTVIIIisGrrr8! My mistake.  Your organizational charts are very difficult for us mentally limited wogs with lower IQ's to decipher.

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 @PoisonIvy   We in RTC do not handle secret compartments. You want the Church of Spiritual Technology (CST), the people who build the underground nuclear proof vaults for the Tech. You need to talk to CST about secret compartments, lairs, vaults, and other surreptitious enclosures.

Jgg2012
Jgg2012

  OT8, when am I getting my SP declare?  I've waited over a year now.

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @Lemont  @OTVIIIisGrrr8! If I cannot have a burlwood pen at this time, I at least want John Brousseau to personally build me a secret compartment in my car that WOULD hold a burlwood pen IF I could have one. 

Lemont
Lemont

 @OTVIIIisGrrr8! 

 

See, what did I say?  He gets all hot under the collar about the burlwood pens.   O.K. fine, OTVIII, I will stop cluing people in to their deserved perks; I promise we will conserve your burlwood. 

 

One of these days, there should be another burlwood hunt, maybe even some TROUT fishing.....  so relaxing, a great time for introspection...

Sherbet
Sherbet

 @OTVIIIisGrrr8!  How much would I have to contribute to Project Mouse Table to receive a complimentary car badge and a "Totally into it" T-shirt?  BTW, I think Katie got TC's burlwood pen in the divorce settlement.

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

 @Lemont  NO LEMONT NO!!!!!!!

 

WE IN RTC HAVE MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT NO BURLWOOD PENS WILL BE GIVEN OUT UNTIL PROJECT MOUSE TABLE AND THE NUCLEAR REACTOR ARE COMPLETED!!!!!!

Lemont
Lemont

@MrsLibnish 

 

If you contribute the the thermonuclear MTP, you will get a burlwood pen.  OTVIIIisGrrr8 would rather that this not become public knowledge, but it is the case.

Sherbet
Sherbet

 @AussieCase I want to know what's in George's little bag.  I hope it's Paxil and Xanax.  (It's probably Kools.)

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

 @AussieCase  

Be nice Aussie....she's fairly new here. I don't think she's had any exposure to our resident OTVIII.  ;-)

 

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

And for those here who have trashed the 9th Circuit (Fed. Ct. of Appeals) recently regarding the Headley case....

You may wish to take a look at how the same court ruled on the Prop 8 (a/k/a Prop H8-- translation for those who need it: Prop HATE) case.  Check out Perry v. Schwarzenegger. (Or I'll make it easy for you: The 9th Circuit AFFIRMED the Federal District Court judge's decision, declaring the Prop 8 BAN ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.)

In short:

The 9th Circuit stood up for CIVIL RIGHTS. (They also held that the district court judge was not required to recuse himself from the case due to the fact that he is gay.)

 

While we all wish the Headleys --in all of their bravery for pursuing a legal action against the CoS-- would have been able to have their day in court-- I maintain, as I have since the decision was handed down-- that it was due to the fact that the statute under which they/their lawyers pursued their case was simply not the proper cause of action. Unfortunately, the Headleys got to their lawyers too late, i.e. after the state statute of limiations on their very viable tort claims had expired, leaving their lawyers with little option but to attempt to pursue the case under a statute which was not meant to address their "injuries"/"damages".

 

Those of you in the ex-scion world who are known to assist newly free members.. please do your best to counsel and assist them with getting legal counsel as soon as possible so that someone can finally get a case to a jury. Nothing but nothing will expose the abuses like an actual trial by jury. The news coverage will be through the roof, particularly at present.

 

Strike while the iron is HOT.

 

 

WhereIsSHE
WhereIsSHE

FWIW: That t-shirt is a favorite of my OUT, LOUD & PROUD friends. Not because it is "outing" TC or JT (whose sexuality they don't give a flying-F about). It is about the fact that TC and JT are members of a completely homophobic group. It OUTS them as part of --and thereby promoting--organized homophobia. (The CoS is just as responsible as the Mormon Church for the organized support of Prop 8 in California.)

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @BurytheNuts  @WhereIsSHE  @otviiiisgrrr8! I don' t like the homophobic tenor of it.  Now, a shirt that says "The Church of Scientology Violates Human Rights" (or something more clever, which I will ask JohnP or Captain Howdy or OTVIIIisgrrr8 for)...Now I could get behind something like that.

deElizabethan
deElizabethan

 @ziontologist  Yes, quite a difference between abuser, rapist or molester.  Scientology = child abuse say's what it says.

ziontologist
ziontologist

 @AussieCase 

Speaking of baby-rape ...

John P suggested the slogan "Scientology=child abuse."

Any kind of child abuse is bad.

But a mother who put her children on a wacky diet is not going to inspire the same kind of rage as a Jerry Sandusky.

The "child abuse" that occurs in Scientology is not sexually motivated.

In the iconography of our times, being a child molester is the worst thing you could be. Any implication of that would be taken as an accusation. You wouldn't want to be seen as having accused someone of that without it being true.

John P's raging against Scientology has a paternal quality which makes me wonder if someone in his family was scino-fried.

BurytheNuts
BurytheNuts

 @Capt._Howdy And these people have no idea how repressed and programmed they have become.

Sad really.

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