Scientology's Idea of a Rollicking Sermon: Watch This Gem From 1984

Here at Scientology Watching Central, we often get asked, is Scientology really a religion? In general, we tend not to get into a debate about that -- Scientology calls itself a "church," so we do the same. We find that it only makes the organization's alleged abuses -- including ripping apart families with "disconnection," forcing women in the Sea Org to have abortions, and holding its executives in a brutal concentration camp -- even more startling, since it's a "church" that's involved.

But there are other reasons why thinking of Scientology as a religion is, well, bizarre.

As we pointed out recently, one of the very strange things about Scientology is that its members can experience amazing personal journeys as they recover memories of themselves in daring exploits from millions of years ago on other planets -- but they must not talk about these experiences even with their fellow church members.

Instead, what Scientologists end up talking about with each other is about as far from space opera as it gets: they talk about statistics, production lines, and "bodies in the shop."

To help you understand, we thought we'd lead off this Friday morning post -- a day we usually set aside to look at Scientology history -- with this gem of a video, which has been floating around the 'net for a couple of years.

Even if you knew very little about Scientology, this awkward briefing by two of the church's highest-ranking officials should give you the general idea that the members of this organization see themselves as deadly serious soldiers in a war to attract people into Scientology, keep them coming back, and most importantly, to keep the money flowing in.

In 1984, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard was in hiding. His third wife, Mary Sue, was serving prison time for Scientology's massive 1970s infiltration of federal government offices, Operation Snow White, and Hubbard worried that the FBI might pull him into a similar prosecution at any time.

With Hubbard in seclusion, the young David Miscavige was consolidating his power over the church that he leads to this day. In this video, two of Miscavige's most loyal executives lay out a strategy for all of Scientology's worldwide "orgs" (short for "organizations," their word for "churches") to attract more people and reach "5.4X" -- to expand their numbers by 5.4 times.

The two men are Marc Yager -- who identifies himself as the commanding officer of the Commodore's Messengers Organization International ("CO CMO Int," in Scientologese) -- and Guillaume Lesevre, the church's "ED Int" -- executive director, international.

Yager and Lesevre were not only two of Miscavige's most loyal Sea Org lieutenants; over the years, they've also been known to be two of his favorite whipping boys.

In February, former church executive Debbie Cook testified under oath in a Texas court that in 2007 she saw Yager and Lesevre attacked by her fellow prisoners in Scientology's concentration camp for executives, "The Hole," in order to get them to confess to a homosexual affair, admissions that Miscavige wanted beaten out of them. (When Cook objected, she was treated to her own hellish hazing -- she was made to stand in a trash can for twelve hours as the other prisoners hurled insults at her, called her a lesbian, and dumped water on her, she testified.)

Back in 1984, Miscavige still trusted Yager and Lesevre enough to make this video briefing, which would have been sent around the globe to give local officials their marching orders.

What it amounts to is this: if you lunkheads running local orgs will just follow L. Ron Hubbard's policies to the letter, you'll attract more followers, and eventually you'll grow your org 5.4 times, to the size of "Old Saint Hill."

What they mean by that is that in the mid-1960s, before he became "the Commodore" and took to sea to run Scientology from a yacht in 1967, Hubbard was living in Sussex at Saint Hill Manor, an estate that he purchased from the Maharajah of Jaipur in 1959. By 1965 or so, Scientologists will tell you, the place was booming with huge numbers of people coming in to be audited, to train to be auditors, and to spread the word about Hubbard's "technology."

To this day, the Manor is the UK headquarters of Scientology, and all orgs are told that they must strive to become "Saint Hill Size" -- the size of the Manor at its height, in the mid-1960s -- as their everpresent goal.

As we've pointed out before, there's a problem with that comparison: Scientologists are urged to make their orgs Saint Hill Size, but they're never actually told just how big that is. Go ahead -- look through all the online resources you can, you won't find an exact definition of it anywhere. Was it the number of people auditing? The number of auditors being trained? The physical size of the facility?

Scientologists are simply told to "boom" their stats by 5.4 times. (And that in itself, if you think about it, is a sleight of hand -- 5.4 times what, exactly?)

Anyway, as stilted as this video is, I think it's extremely important for one reason that may not be obvious: the Scientologists who would have been required to watch it would naturally have been worried about Hubbard's absence. Since 1980, almost no one in the church had seen him, and longtime church members would have been concerned about the direction the young new leaders were going in.

With this video, Miscavige is really reassuring Scientologists that Hubbard's own policies were still their focus. It was Hubbard who tended to bring in new bodies, and it was Hubbard's policies that would keep them there.

So it's useful, for church historians, to know the contents of this video.

But it's also just a hoot. I mean, you have to love those Sea Org naval outfits.

Now, if you haven't had enough of the comedy stylings of Yager and Lesevre, here's part two!

"Vital data to help your org expand."

Wow, that's good stuff.


On the next page: Our regular Friday feature, Scientology on the High Seas...



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aaryjan
aaryjan

This stuff must be, or must have been, pretty numbing for those being bombarded with it... and there is so many words and terms it kind of disguises the completely illogical, 100% non-reason (that by the way is present in pretty much all of Ron Hubbard's rambling productions)

cherkas009
cherkas009

"service your existing field for all it is worth"  lol  and "ask anyone who was at st hill" well most have been declared suppressive and are not allowed to communicate with existing scientologist because of disconnection. 

cherkas009
cherkas009

 By memory I think it was 200  advanced students  and similar number of staff along with about 50 students completing a course every week.  :

sidsnakey
sidsnakey

I love the videos, although I have got some very strange looks from people nearby as I couldn't stop myself from laughing out loud, and it's very difficult to explain to a wog.

 

My favorite part are the little diagrams they felt the need to put together. That's right, the "sell to existing customers and get new customers" message was so complex that they had to put diagrams together. I wonder if they have created Powerpoint versions of those yet? I hope so.

 

And the best part of the diagrams is where Lesevre feels the need to explain that the "little green characters" at about 7:10 on the first video are new public. I guess if you didn't realize that the little green characters were new public you might get confused and completely fail to understand the strategy. Although Monty Python has been mentioned

 

I look forward to the follow-up videos in this series which I understand are entitled "Breathing In and Out  - Why You Should Care" and "Gravity - Not Just Another Word".

 

 

sidsnakey
sidsnakey

"August 7 1970"

STAT

Did you know that a Statless person is Fair Game?

Persons with high stats, if the stat is reported to HCO on time, has Ethics protection.

 

Unbelievable: Hubbard considered a member of his own group without good production statistics to be Fair Game. And note he uses upper case there, it's clearly already a term with special significance in his group.

 

This is what drives me nuts about Scientologists, their inability to think too critically about Hubbard. Here is a man who says if you join my group and don't have good production statistics than you can be utterly destroyed. If on the other hand, you have great statistics but behave diabolically in other areas of your life then you are protected from punishment.

 

What kind of leader, what kind of guru, what kind of religious "pope" would even entertain a thought like that, let alone write it down as policy and enforce it?

 

How can Scientology be the solution for the problems of mankind with that mentality? I shudder to think what a Scientology planet would entail.

 

I guess at least Hubbard was more meritocratic than Hitler, for whom blonde hair and blue eyes was the Ethics protection.

 

And we are asked to believe, by some quarters, that the problem with Scientology is David Miscavige?

 

The problem with David Miscavige, is Scientology.

deElizabethan
deElizabethan

Wow the robots!  Just to mention one thing that stands out for me, beside the XXXX's of stats. That is Hubbard's bust. It's most ugly and almost embarrassing, very bad. I mean it's worse than the worst picture and it's everywhere. Maybe it's the bad vibes I got off of it, who knows.

Jgg2012
Jgg2012

5.4 times zero is still zero.

thehat
thehat

omg all the video is missing is a Sieg Heil! muahaha

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

I'm just glad Colm McLaughlin is free now. His story might be is the most heart-breaking and inspiring at the same time. I was truly worrying about him. Time will tell.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

BREAKING NEWS: Janet Light, her husband Colm McLaughlin and one of their sons are all out of the Sea Org. Janet was IAS President (TonyO covered it before), who ended in the hole and somehow got out. Colm was imprisoned on Freewinds for 4 years or so to this day, until John Duignan talked to Irish authorities and Colm was freed. He never signed any papers and CAN talk. Their son Carl and his wife Sara are out too and expecting a baby. 

 

Karen#1 and Smurf are all over it on the Internetz. Waiting for Marty to comment.

 

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/key-scientologists-abandon-scientology-again.103444/page-2#post-2162395

jonhendry
jonhendry

Anyone else waiting for them to tilt the LRH bust's head back, revealing a switch, which when pressed causes the bookcase to swing open, revealing the Xenu-poles that lead down to the Xenu-cave?

michelekalis
michelekalis

Is it me or is the bust of LRH behind the babbling "officers" making a duckface?

wannabeclear
wannabeclear

I was trying to come up with an apt description for those videos and at first I was thinking that they were like a sixth grade civics class show and tell as seen through the eyes of Mel Brooks and presented by Inspector Clouseau.  But then I realized they were much creepier than pure comedy and were closer to the Dharma Initiative Orientation videos from Lost.  Am I wrong? 

http://youtu.be/8JZItP_xrA8

http://youtu.be/l3ye8e-V32M

Sherbet
Sherbet

Several posters have mentioned Jada Pinkett Smith -- who seems to be a friend of scn -- and her seemingly hypocritical initiative against human trafficking.   I believe this is her website.  Perhaps some exes who have details of scn's abuses (of children in particular) want to report them.  http://dontsellbodies.org/

Lemont
Lemont

I know it has been said before, and I sincerely hope my  opinion is not completely irritating.  But I think 1 or 2 more levels in the comment hierarchy would be exponentially helpful.  As it stands, there are only 2 levels in the hierarchy beyond the original post.  So any heated discussion "flat lines," i.e. if there are a lot of comments, the lack of hierarchy makes it impossible to determine which comment is responding to which. 

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

I'm sure the plastics facility having issues was entirely due to evil lurking ghosts. Surely it had absolutely nothing to do with it being managed by people who would hire someone with no relevant experience at all to work in a facility with complex, potentially dangerous machinery...

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

To be fair, you can pretty much say that the entirety of $cientology is 'from 1984...' 

FLUNK
FLUNK

I heard that story before. The one where he steers the ship, then he runs down to the engine room.

The punch line? He stirs the soup on his way back. He stirred the soup, but who would want to eat that shit?

Can you imagine being stuck on that rust-bucket?

 

The sparkle of you china

The shine of your ja-pan

Bodhisattva!

StillKeyedOut
StillKeyedOut

Man. Talk about a slow burn

That Sea Org cinema builds with such an intensity. When I saw the bust of LRH at the end it was like I was peaking on acid with trumpets blaring!

the1d
the1d

How could anyone be inspired by this monty python video.This is just nuts.Are there really that many people in the world that would find this inspirarational.This is a  cult that has proven that they can do anything to anyone and not worry about anything  just like goldman sachs and I would only say to everyone even though I know I will get hate mail,stop waving the flag and start speaking out about every abusive cult as well as every abusive government decision.I think that that is the only way to fight,less flags could mean more justice and freedom.

chuckbeatty77
chuckbeatty77

Just for history, Guilliaume was an actual Executive Director for a while in a Class 4/5 org, the meat and potatoes church, I think Vienna.  He was pretty good at the Continental management church of Europe, in Copenhagen, he had a tight team of help though, namely Anne Kirsten Urskov and Jens Urskov, that married couple were either both Class 6s or Class 8s, and true good people, and others at Copenhage like Tommy Gustaffeson (?), who today have been used and discarded like all the rest, but Guilliaume at least knows what it's like on the ground for staffs in churches around the world.    And he was an accomplished Continental management leader.   At the Int Base, there is so many people who all were at the beginning stages of their "manager" education learning curves, and plus there is so much of Hubbard's management and church policy rules which are questionable, it is a very weird and challenging mix, and with a guy like Miscavige waiting in the wings to browbeat people not performing, over the decades, it's descended into the current "Hole" scene at the top.  

 

Yager's a smart smart guy, but never ran anything except CMO International, which he was pretty good at, and likely better than the other only mentionable Comanding Officer of CMO International Mark Ingber.

 

But the criticism and chip that Guilliaume had for decades is that both Marc Yager and Miscavige didn't know what life was like on the ground for staffs in the meat and potatoes "org".

 

That's always been this last 40 years' problem.

 

Hubbard was a hands on guy who knows every nook and cranny of his hairbrained orgs and all the bureaucratic echelons above and below the "Class 5" org today.

 

Guilliaume and Yager would be better than Miscavige any day, at management, and likely if the movement would just lighten up, and let all the exited and quitter management people enter into some hindsight discussions, they would likely be able to majorly reform the worst of Hubbard's over penalty laden system.

 

The sermon is not a sermon, it should be looked at in light of Hubbard's initial theoretical writing, called "Essay On Management" written way back in 1950.   Hubbard says that the movement idea man founder should NOT be involved in management.

 

Hubbard, if you happened to be able to stand reading all her wrote, you'd learn that he by necessity had to violate his first big theoretical writing, namely "Essay on Management"  for the duration of his life, except for the very end, when he just wasn't able to sanely stay on top of it all, and he wished a tiny amount of "retirement" time, which is the time with the Broekers and at the Creston ranch.

 

Hubbard wanted to leave the movement with a management team, and in his final years he came up woth the Watchdog Committee to be the senior HR and authority on all things relating to the undone Hubbard orders the movement had yet to execute; and the Int Exec Strata, the "think tank" which is headed by Guilliaume.

 

Yager headed Watchdog Committee, since the Commanding Officer CMO Int is designated alwasy as Watchdog Committee Chairman.

 

So factually, those two ought be the "management" the top strategic thinker coordinating approval and masterminds of the movement, NOT Miscavige, who is the RTC Chairman of the Board only, and while senior, the RTC people were NOT ever in Hubbard's mind, nor in Hubbard's writings to Author Services Inc, NEVER did Hubbard envision the ASI top people nor RTC to be the movement management people.

 

Authority wise, yes, Hubbard wished RTC to have a leg up on WDC and Exec Strata, but not "thinking" theory/strategy wise.

 

These last over 20 years, in technical terms, we in the management ranks would consider that Miscavige has been "bypassing", an actual Hubbard somewhat derogatory term, for when a superior has to "single hand" the functions of a slacker or non existent subordinate or subordinates.

 

It's a huge mistake, how things have actually turned out, and what I say is backed up with dozens of Hubbard writings.

 

Anyways, sorry for this adavanced "apologist" briefing of Hubbard's own theoretical writings, but when all of us are long dead and gone, line the Wall Street Journal once wisely reported, scholars have noticed that future followers turn to the writings of the "founder", and believe me, as a long term training staff supervisor, the new grunts wishing to join staff get the cleansed version of history, no meat and blood about all the long train of discarded staff and executives, but they just get the Hubbard staff duties theory and procedures, and the new people, once we're all and gone, will be following Hubbard's extensive detailed and MUST study writings.

 

I've said this many times, we're living a period of Miscavige violating a whole bunch of Hubbard policies.

 

If in 5-10 years, the Watchdog Committee and Exec Strata, if those top management councils get formed up and operational, then the movement will be back on track, management wise, per Hubbard's writings, is all.

 

And yager and Guilliaume, in Miscavige's eyes, the two have failed miserably, and Miscavige is hurting trying to replace them.

 

When I saw the list of who was in the "Hole" category, I realized the dire scene.

 

They simply don't have the personnel to wear Hubbard's fantastic "boots" , and some think that's a good thing.

 

The sad thing, is Hubbard has a whole bunch of people playing a game of Sisyphus, trying to accomplish Hubbard's fantastic undoable administrative orders and setups.

 

They'll keep trying, even long after Miscavige, and Yager and Leserve and all of us are all dead though, since Hubbard's are kinda catchy, at least for long enough to keep them staffed long enough, until the next crop of newbies get lured into taking up Hubbard's Sisyphus challenge (Sisyphus being the guy slated to eternally roll the ball up the hill, and the ball kept slipping and rolling to the bottom of the hill).

 

Hubbard's whole runway is so long and convoluted, but intertwined and pressuring, it keeps a whole bunch of people engaged, until they quit, and by that time they're in the mindset to walk away with their tails between their legs and it takes some time to get their wits about what the hell they just went through.   

 

Chuck Beatty

ex Sea Org 1975-2003

my main contributions were training staff for the Class 4/5 churches, 

and I did a multi year project trying to make Class 4/5 staff do their jobs easier.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Llama
Llama

 @sidsnakey 

 

Those diagrams are necessary to give you mass.  

Llama
Llama

 @sidsnakey 

 

Yes indeed. 

 

The most embarrasing thing about Scientology (aside from it's human rights abuses) is the founder of Scientology.  He was a joke of a human. 

TheHoleDoesNotExist
TheHoleDoesNotExist

 @DodoTheLaser Oh please, please, please let me hear they went straight to the authorities.  I wanna see the lawyers in jail, personally.  The financial fraud list must be a tome by now.   When the IAS major salesmen and President slip out the back, Jack,  that's a sign. 

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

 @jonhendry Hubbard's proctologist is the only one who should ever see the 'xenu-cave.'

britinokinawa
britinokinawa

 @wannabeclear You ask, "Am I wrong?" 

 

Well, you certainly are about Mel Brooks and Inspector Clouseau.

 

So you probably are about the rest of your post too!

exileandcunning
exileandcunning

 @wannabeclear lol!  I didn't think of that but I LOVED Lost and you are so right about the tone... in fact the entire Dharma Initiative is very analogous to Scientology... both became popular in the 70s, they both have this kind of New Agey feel but at the same time are very Big Brother and use creepy techniques to keep their members in line... also, the identical uniforms everyone wears, the larger than life mission to save the universe, claims about supernatural abilities, all the little worker bees living communally for the greater good of the cause... I'm sure there are more similarities... That is hilarious, thanks for pointing that out!

all.clear
all.clear

@Sherbet The Smiths run a scion school but say they aren't scions! Yeah right. It's bad enough to wave the Jolly Roger flag but to steal souls, smile and lie about it is pure evil.

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @Lemont I agree vehemently!  Also, does anyone else have a problem with iPads crashing the page when you scroll down to comments?  I can't read them on my iPad with either Google or Safari.

FLUNK
FLUNK

And I'll be there

to shine in your Japan

To sparkle in your China,

yes I'll be there

Bodhisattva!

 

And what about the "Rollicking Sermon"?

 

C.L. Franklin comes to mind.

Have you ever heard him give a sermon?

He could work a crowd into an orgiastic frenzy.

He had a daughter. She sang beautifully. She gave a little more of herself every verse. And OMG! What she saved for the end!

 

Hey Nineteen

That's 'Retha Franklin

 

Lemont
Lemont

 @FLUNK 

 

See the glory of the Royal Scam!

exileandcunning
exileandcunning

 @StillKeyedOut haha... my favorite part was the illustrations.. can you imagine how LONG it took the Sea Org artist to make all those poster board pictures of people going IN to the Local Org... and people going OUT... and so on... all drawn in excruciating detail.  

exileandcunning
exileandcunning

 @the1d Are you saying Tony Ortega is NOT speaking out about the abusive cult?  Everything he writes about Scientology helps expose it for what it is.

AussieCase
AussieCase

 @chuckbeatty77With all do respect, I do not want to let Hubbard off the hook for it is his writings, and his technology that is driving this.

 

Power may have gone to David Miscavige's head, but Hubbard created the structure which David uses to wield power. I suspect many of the people in the Hole believe, at least at some level, that they should be there, or that they are handling their respective barriers to production.This idea is based on Hubbard's writings.

 

Mascavige may be like Hubbard without the desire to go make nice after, but he learned the game from Hubbard--his mentor.

 

Hubbard was capable of extreme cruelty, he had a 4-year old boy locked in a chain locker for days without access to a bathroom or toilet paper. He held many people in animal like conditions.

 

The people on the video are under Hubbard's influence, they are in love with Hubbard's ideology, and they want to save the planet using Hubbard's techniques. They do not appear to be making rational statements.

 

In my experience at our class IV organization, we had some brutal Executive Directors (EDs), and some less brutal ones, but **none** were rational, and all had to resort to doing nasty things. Such is the logic of Scientology, and such is the of logic of the culture Hubbard created.

 

ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

 @Llama So they get you ahead in MEST? Or something MEST-y?I think they MEST people up.Hey-oooo! See what I did there? Ha ha ha!!! 

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @TheHoleDoesNotExist Can't wait 'till Tony O reports on this...I was unfamiliar with this story until just now...it's another jaw dropper.  

SvenBoogie
SvenBoogie

 @exileandcunning I loved Lost too... until the last season, and especially the last episode, when it became clear there was absolutely nothing behind any of the mysteries of the show all along. 

Lemont
Lemont

 @FLUNK 

 

The Cuervo Gold

The fine Colombian

Make tonight a wonderful thing

the1d
the1d

 @exileandcunning

 No,i'm saying that people in this country as well as others are just for the most part apethetic and will fall for anything.Doesn't matter if it is a cult or if it is government propaganda.I think Tony is awsome.He has done so much on this issue and I give him a lot of credit because of it.

chuckbeatty77
chuckbeatty77

 @AussieCase No arguments  that   Hubbard is Scientology's "TYpewriter In the Sky" (his sci fi story is one of the stories that an expert of the cult ought read), and has laid numerous Catch 22 policies protecting any of his built in flaws that movement members cannot outstep to fix.

 

It's for sure the Hubbard SP rules that protect whoever are the top principals (top leaders) of the movement,.   Hubbard made it an excommunicatable offense to criticize movement leaders (principals) other than through reports on them or to Scientology justice bodies.

 

Mutiny against Hubbard's self serving rules is out.

 

Disaffection and mutiny against the top managers is an SP act (excommunicatable offense).  

 

I've concluded that Hubbard's blindness to his own faults, he's institutionalized.

 

The "Keeping Scientology Working" all important original 1965 writing is Hubbard at his supreme most arrogant worst.

 

And his 29 Sept 1982 "Misrepresentation of Dianetics and Scientology" writing repeats the self serving Hubbard blindness to his own faults:

 

"Standard tech [Hubbard's non peer reviewed pseudo quack mental spiritual counseling  therapy and this includes Hubbard's high volume dead space alien soul exorcism] has never harmed anybody."

 

. . . .

 

"When people complain and are 'dissatisfied with results,' it will be found that Dianetics and Scientology were NOT being used on them.

 

"Someone was doing something else and calling it Dianetics and Sceintology."

 

all quotes from L. Ron Hubbard, 29 Sept 1982, green vol 7, page 1110. 

Jgg2012
Jgg2012

  Oh, they're just bitter, defrocked apostates who know nothing about Scientology.

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @wannabeclear Ha ha! Yes, like Scientology and "Absolutely nothing behind the mysteries all along"!  Actually from insiders in the writers' room I hear that there was pretty much a clear story arc (that's arc, NOT 'ARC'!)  to take them through the first couple seasons but after that they were pretty much making it up as they went along.  That last season was the pits.  But it's incredibly hard to come up w/22 episodes of jaw dropping material and cliff hangers week after week and ultimately they did an AMAZING job.  

But the big difference between LOST and Scientology?

 

EVERYBODY KNEW LOST WAS FICTION!!!!!!! :-D

FLUNK
FLUNK

Thank you man. You made my night.

You hit the nail on the head.

Only it was 

 

The Glenlivet Scotch

Afghanie Kush, my friend

Make tonight a wonderful thing

uncover
uncover

 @chuckbeatty77 

I think we can agree, that from 1980 Hubbard was hiding and only a few people really saw him.  The Broekers, Mayo, Miscavige and Denk.  I doubt, that Hubbard had a telex-machine there, because this could have easily been traced.

 

As Hubbard wrote by himself,  if somebody is sitting on your communication lines, he can control the game.  Broekers, Mayo, Denk and Miscavige were sitting on Hubbards communication lines.  Miscavige even played notary:

http://www.xenu-directory.net/topics/lrh-signature.html

 

The only people who could have seen Hubbard writing and handling over orders were only a few.  Maybe something was on tape, but the tapes are .... nowhere.

 

>> So, having seen a lot of the raw traffic,....

>> "...traffic that presumably came from LRH (and not from Pat Broeker's pen)."

 

As you say: "presumably"

 

I doubt, that Hubbard was much interested or had the time for the org/tech-stuff because he had a lot of problems to solve.  And then there remains always the question: on which "selected" censored informations were his orders based ?  And from his orders, what "got lost" on the way from Hubbard to the typists ?

 

Every medium-skilled sound engineer can edit you any tape the way you want to have it - cut out or add sentences, words or even only individual phonems.  On a tape running at a speed of 15"/sec this is really not so hard.  You don´t need a Fairlight for this.

 

Therefore I can see not enough proof, that "Hubbards writings" after (at least) 1980 can be  assigned to him without any doubt.  The only who really know the truth, are the untrustable mutinees under the leadership of Miscavige - and that is not enough for me.

 

chuckbeatty77
chuckbeatty77

 @uncover 

 

I trust them, having seen the raw typed despatch orders from Hubbard.

 

But I'd love to chat someday with Susy Benneck and Ted Karbowski, the two "Comm Center" transcription and typists who typed up a lot of the late 1970s and early 1980s traffic that presumably came from LRH (and not from Pat Broeker's pen).

 

I saw plenty of raw ASI traffic from LRH, and I saw plenty of raw Int Base traffic from LRH, and I witnessed how Phoebe Maurer executed an order from LRH to write the "Routing Forms How to Write One" policy letter, how she followed LRH's long list of "compilations" private orders, and she created an LRH policy letter, all from his dozen or so early 1980s traffic to various Int Managers relating to the routing forms.

 

So, having seen a lot of the raw traffic, and seen exactly how LRH also ordered that his various bits of traffic be turned into this or that policy letter, I've witnessed an LRH compilation as it happened.  

 

So, I've often said, the people who know, are the compilations branch people, and two of those people, Russ Williams and Dan Koon, are public today and can detail hundreds of compilations raw material and the final issued products.   

 

It's all done based on LRH's orders how to compile his traffic and other bits, into final policy issues or technical bulletin issues.  Russ and Dan each have done dozens of such compilations!   Talk to them.  

uncover
uncover

 @chuckbeatty77 

>>  "And his 29 Sept 1982 "Misrepresentation of Dianetics and Scientology" writing...."

 

Sorry, but do you really trust, that any writing from (at least) 1978 on was from Hubbard himself  ?  I don´t....

 

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