The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology -- 2012 Edition!

LRonHubbard4.jpg
Last year's winner, L. Ron Hubbard: will he repeat?
In the doldrums of August last year, we put together a little list that took on a life of its own.

We counted down the 25 people and groups who had been doing the most to get word out to the wider world about the Church of Scientology's many alleged abuses, and who have contributed to its steep recent decline. Our list included current and former church members, academics, attorneys, activists, and a couple of dead people.

This year, summer has not been languid and lazy. In the wake of the TomKat divorce, media interest in Scientology has never been greater and we've never been busier. But with August half over, we thought it was time to update our list from last year. This time, we've put a premium on what's happened in the last twelve months, so you might see some of your old favorites drop off the roster. But never fear -- you can always revisit our choices from last year, or the choices of our readers.

Now, get yourself a cool drink there by the pool, and let's plunge in!




The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology -- 2012 Edition


#25: Xenu

Talosian.jpg
Our favorite galactic overlord manages to hang on to his place in our list, even though much of the news in the past year has been more about Scientology's questionable practices, and not so much about its beliefs. But for many people, their interest in all things Scientology begins with curiosity about the church's space opera secret teachings. And it's still most fun to learn them through South Park's epic 2005 episode, "Trapped in the Closet."

Xenu made his strongest showing at this blog in July, when we made the case that Scientologists accept L. Ron Hubbard's story about ancient alien genocide because they've been dreaming up their own personal stories of galactic swashbuckling for years before encountering the weird teachings of "OT III." (And here's what we said about Xenu last year.)


#24: Kate Bornstein

KateCover.jpg
In May, we put Kate Bornstein on the cover of the Voice, a testament not only to the significance of her new memoir, but also to what she means to New York City. To the theater world here, Kate is a well-known performance artist who for many years has challenged the notions of gender and sexuality in controversial but always entertaining ways.

Before she was the country's most famous "gender outlaw," Kate grew up as Al Bornstein, a deeply dedicated Scientologist who had served as first mate of the Apollo with Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard in the early 1970s. In Kate's memoir, A Queer and Pleasant Danger, she writes about those years in a way that may be the best account yet of the fervor and then disillusionment that characterizes so many people who get involved with the church. And besides, the book is a riot, from beginning to end. If you haven't yet picked it up, you really should.


#23: Lisa Marie Presley

LMPStorm.jpg
In May, we stopped kidding around and made a definitive statement: Lisa Marie Presley is out of Scientology. How did we know that? Well, we can read, and we're not friggin' idiots. A few weeks earlier, we had pointed out that in "You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet," the single Presley released ahead of her new album, Storm & Grace, she was referring to herself as "a bit suppressive," something that a Scientologist would never say, even as a joke. (When a church member is excommunicated, he or she is "declared" a "suppressive person.")

We had heard for years that Presley was disaffected with Scientology and had quietly stepped away from it, and that lyric seemed like a dead giveaway that she wanted the world to know.

But that was nothing. When the album itself came out in May, we got our hands on the lyrics to the rest of the songs (all of which she wrote herself), and that's when we saw what she says in the track called "So Long"...

So Long

This here is a city without lights
Those are all the people without eyes
Churches, they don't have a soul
Soup for sale without a bowl
Religion so corrupt and running lives
Farewell, fair weathered friends
I can't say I'll miss you in the end

Chorus:
So long, seems that I was so wrong
Seems I wasn't that strong
Dead wrong, and now I'm long gone
Wrong side, I've been sleeping on the wrong side
Stains all over my soul I can't hide
Nothing's more clear than goodbye

These roads they don't lead to anything
These people they talk, they say nothing
Actors who don't have a part
Heartfelt people with no heart
I'll find a new crowd
Make a new start
Farewell, fair weathered friends
I can't say I'll miss you in the end

(Chorus)

So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, say nothing at all if you've nothing nice to say

Lisa Marie has not answered questions about leaving Scientology, but that's understandable. The church's toxic policy of "disconnection" keeps some people quiet who leave Scientology for fear of being cut off from loved ones. Lisa Marie's mother, Priscilla, is still a dedicated church member, we hear, and we figure that keeps Lisa Marie from speaking out.

However, her actions, and her lyrics, say plenty all on their own. (And if she did want to tell us more, of course, she'll move up much higher on this list. Hey, Lisa Marie, give us a call!)

Look for the next installment of our Top 25 on Sunday. We'll dole them out every couple of days, and we think we have things timed so that we'll reveal this year's winner just a few days before the opening of "The Master," Paul Thomas Anderson's new film that should explode interest in all things Scientology.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scientology's Desperate Reaction to NBC

For days, we've been giving our readers lots of background on Scientology's drug treatment program Narconon and its history in Oklahoma in advance of last night's report about deaths at the facility on NBC's Rock Center.

We'd heard that in the last week, NBC had been experiencing a big pushback from Scientology and its attorneys.

Then, last night, former Scientology executive Marty Rathbun leaked an e-mail at his blog that showed just how desperately the church tried to derail NBC's coverage.

Rathbun said the e-mail was sent by a Narconon official, who beseeched her fellow Scientologists to bombard NBC producer Anna Schecter with calls...

We need you to call the station and leave a message for the producer. Anna Schecter. It is getting harder and harder to reach her (email full, voice mail full) so that is why I need someone like you, tone 40 who won't back off by a couple of barriers. You call 212-664-4444, ask for Rock Center (that is her show), you want to talk to Anna Schecter, she won't be there, you want to talk to her secretary, you do not want to leave a comment in the general mail box, you want to talk to someone in her office or talk to her personally. Don't use Scientology lingo. Leave a message and let me know when done.

"Don't use Scientology lingo."

Well, as another writer recently put it, Scientology keeps showing up with a squirt gun to put out a forest fire.

Narconon is in the grips of nearly a full-scale meltdown, with local and state officials appearing to be very engaged in the Oklahoma investigations (and perhaps having never forgotten the way they were snowed and intimidated back in the day), and the drug treatment program has been chased out of Quebec, sued in Georgia and Michigan, and reportedly gave up on the UK.

As we've pointed out before, what makes Narconon especially vulnerable is that its "students" have not voluntarily chosen to be indoctrinated in Scientology training, but in most cases had no idea that they were being sent to the church's bizarre and unscientific drug treatment program. Deception, in other words, lies at the heart of Narconon's business model.

With the media now on heightened alert about Scientology and its methods, even a concerted telephone campaign isn't going to fool anybody.

But we'll give it marks for effort. Right?



On the next page: Our regular Friday feature, Scientology on the High Seas...



Advertisement

My Voice Nation Help
299 comments
meidaatit
meidaatit

By focusing on what is wrong with scientology we are missing the bigger point which is what is wrong with how addicts are being treated by the judicial system. Narconnon, which is not a religious organization, tries to help addicts  to a drug free life. More addicts die in prison and jail and do not receive medical treatment or rehab there until the very end of their term. State punishment to a cell is given to  the addcit than rehab at the very end of many years in the cell  is given. The drug addcit is labelled and unabale to get employment. . Have you read how many years an addict has to spend in prison before they get help????  Narconnon has helped many addcits to a better life. I invite the news to write about the numerous number of addict deaths that take place in the drunk tanks in America's jails and prisons. Jails and prisons do not have 24-7 medical nor do they have help for addicts  until six months before their release date. Many addicts sit years and years in prsion before getting help. Some of these addicts are only 19 and 20   years old.

Scientology is a choice. Narconnon does not push religion. It tries to give rehab to addcits rather than punishment and provide work. Many have been helped by Narconnon. What does jail and prison do to help the growing numbers of drug and alcohol addicts in our society? Are jails and prisons held accountable for their treatment of addicts and the many deaths that occur in prisons and jails because the addicts across our country are put in the drunk tank without medical supervision????  This is not just a Narconnon problem this is a problem everywhere. Addicts need rehab not punishment for the rest of their life.

If someone wants to be a scientologist that is their choice. We are suppose to have religious freedom. However I think the news needs to stop making religious and racial issues and focus on how we can make humanity better. Addicts everywhere should receive rehab and not be punished to a cell for years before being helped and allowed back into society. Not all addicts are violent people...at least Narconnon wants to help the addcits which is more than I can say for some places.  

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

L. Ron Hubbard will be ALWAYS #1 in crippling Dianetics and Scientology contest.

Watch and think. Old Man knew his jokes.

Soulo_Guero
Soulo_Guero

@katebornstein @VoiceTonyO i've found you delicately suppressive dahling

Jgg2012
Jgg2012

  So, did that email go out to 22 million people?

FLUNK
FLUNK

It's about time Hollywood paid a little less attention to "Oscar" and a little more to "Tony."

Even with the September release,  Paul Thomas Anderson, Amy Adams, Joaquin Phoenix, Philip Seymour Hoffman, and Laura Dern  were all deprived their chance to be nominated one of  The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology -- 2012 Edition.

 

ziontologist
ziontologist

J.R. Ewing ("Dallas" television show)

"When you throw out integrity the rest is easy."

 

L. Ron Hubbard (Founder of"Scientology")

"The only crime in the West is to be without money."

JohnPCapitalist
JohnPCapitalist

Now that the market has closed and my fellow Global Capitalism HQ minions are stumbling off to buy overpriced drinks at the trendiest bars in Manhattan, I wanted to circle back and explore Hubbard's crazy ideas about the World Bank as a tool of the evil psych conspiracy.

 

This Order of the Day shows all of Hubbard's paranoid "logic" at its finest. I'm not going to go back to 1971 and try to figure out the details of 40-year old World Bank loan projects to prove him wrong on the details as I have done in the past with some financially related OOD's. I'm just going to illustrate with what I know about current trends in international finance and "emerging markets investing" (stuff we think about but we don't actually invest in).

 

1. CORRELATION VERSUS CAUSATION: "Zambia owes the World Bank better than 120 million and has just nationalized its mineral companies." Oh, they nationalized the mineral companies BECAUSE they owed the World Bank money? In general, when people borrow money from one of these international development organizations but can't repay it, the financier lends it more money to pay the interest on the debt so the loan doesn't have to be marked as "non-performing." Just like commercial banks often do with big corporate customers.

 

It is extremely unlikely that the World Bank would have required nationalizing assets, since the assets nationalized often include mines, oil fields or other things that have substantial investments by companies that are headquartered in the countries that provide the money. So imagine the uproar if the World Bank, headquartered in Washington DC, were to advocate that the Zambian government nationalize mines owned (at least in part) by Phelps Dodge copper, Alcoa, etc. in order to pay back the World Bank. Hubbard is a non-starter on this one.

 

Typically, corrupt local officials accept money from the World Bank and then try to loot that big pile of foreigners' cash for all their cronies. If they fail to pass an audit for the use of funds or if they can't repay, the World Bank shuts off the faucet and the local crooks have to go looking for other sources of loot. Next on the list after generous foreign governments is rich foreign companies that have invested in your country. They will scream a lot louder than the World Bank, but they will walk away and you can hand off these key national assets to your henchmen. Of course, the inevitable international sanctions will reduce the amount of ore that you sell, but you will be splitting the profits with your cousins, brothers-in-law, fellow tribe members, etc. Better to have 100% of a pie even if it is 20% as big as it was before -- look at what Chavez has done to the Venezuelan state oil company since he nationalized that.

 

2. ONE EXAMPLE = A RULE OF NATURE. This is inductive proof gone horribly wrong. Hubbard generalizes one or two data points into a rule of nature. This is exactly what he did in developing all sorts of Scientology quack therapy. Just two examples (which probably were bogus in his interpretation of what happened) and Hubbard proclaims, "whoever owes the WB large sums will be persuaded to nationalize something in order to repay its loan."

 

3. ANY SUPPORT OF PSYCHIATRY MEANS THE PSYCHS CONTROL EVERYTHING. Hubbard probably read somewhere a reference to a World Bank publication saying that psychiatric care for the mentally ill among the world's poor people is a good way to keep medical costs down. So immediately, that makes the World Bank a puppet for the dangerous and highly effective psychiatric conspiracy that actually runs the world.

 

"Sounds crazy and of course it is." I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

4. COMMUNISTS HAVE INTERNATIONAL BANKERS, TOO: As @N.Graham below pointed out, there is no such thing as the Communist Country's International Bank. In a reply to his comment, I was unable to find any organization that attempted to provide development funding for countries outside the Warsaw Pact and a couple other related entities (Cuba, North Vietnam, etc). The fact that they had no hard currency was just a small detail that meant they could loan all the rubles that somebody might want, but the recipient couldn't actually do anything with them. Oops.

 

5. WHEN IN DOUBT, THROW A VEILED REFERENCE TO EUGENICS: "The WB advocation of birth control and refusal to loan to those nations which won't practice it is a sample of how far they wander from mere money." Oh, really? Prove it! While many international development organizations did advocate population control as a means to reduce stress on overtaxed governments, alleviate starvation, etc., it is unclear that the World Bank did it.

 

Try graphing per capita GDP, infant mortality, life expectancy and all the other criteria that are commonly used as metrics for overall quality of life in the world's countries, and then correlate those (either individually or modeled as a composite index) against birth rate, and you'll find that the countries with lower birth rates (i.e., advanced industrial economies) have much higher quality of life than countries with higher birth rates. The correlation won't be perfect but it will be statistically material. Then tell me why advocating birth control is a bad thing.

 

6. STIR AND ADD A PINCH OF NON SEQUITUR: "The politician has already been taught and believes that 'the financier is senior to the politician.' The only real danger is that the World Bank considers itself also senior to God."

 

WTF?

 

7. AND THEN THE INEVITABLE JEWISH CONSPIRACY: “Psychiatric front groups tie in to the World Bank via their key members Meyer and Rothchild.”

 

Nothing like a little casual one-line anti-Semitic comment thrown into the mix. As Anons say, DOX or STFU.

 

By the way, the head of the World Bank in 1971 was Robert S. McNamara, a Presbyterian.

 

8. … THE JEWISH CONSPIRACY, AIDED AND ABETTED BY THE WASP CONSPIRACY: "They also sell private bonds and supplant or continue such firms as JP Morgan & Co. who through efforts to protect its loans to the Allies dragged the US into WW I."

 

Last I checked, it was the Zimmerman Telegram that dragged the US into World War I. That didn't have a whole heck of a lot to do with J. P. Morgan as far as I can recall. Time for the tinfoil hats.

 

Incidentally, I suspect that Morgan was smart enough to know that whatever gains one gets in the market from short-term war production are usually more than matched by the pain you take in the slowdown from the recession that inevitably follows. The risk of default from a devastated post-war German economy was immense.  War is rarely a net positive for the economy.

 

9. THEN MAKE A BOLD PREDICTION OF THE UTTER RUIN OF YOUR OPPONENTS: "The relation of WB officers to psychiatric front groups and psychiatric death camps gives the WB a very unpleasant flavor, far removed from its original reconstruction charter and could blacken its name and crash its credit over the world if publicly known."

 

Yep, all those countries that found out about how the World Bank was merely a front for psychiatry stood on principle and stopped taking their blood money. That explains the death spiral in World Bank aggregate loan activity _collapsing_ utterly, going from approximately $3 billion in 1971 to $30 billion today. That’s a rate of growth of 5.9% for 40 straight years, which would be considered pretty good in commercial banking. Obviously, everybody believes Hubbard’s conspiracy theories about the psychs and steers clear of the psych-infested World Bank as a result.

 

 

fileclerk
fileclerk

About depictions of Xenu...

 

In Revolt in the Stars Xenu is described as bitter faced, dark, somber, sardonic, glaring, leaning heavily on a cane, and wearing a civillian suit. In other words, he looked a lot like Freud.

 

Jgg2012
Jgg2012

  Don't forget the intellectual giants, Tommy Davis and Karin Pouw. for your list.

datumomnom
datumomnom

Oh my what a juicy batch of OODs this week!

 

Alex Jones and Hubbard would have gotten along well methinks. Prison Planet is the new Smersh, prove me wrong! (Heh.)

Grace
Grace

OUTRIGHT LIES ON THE VISTA BAY WEBSITE!!

http://www.vistabay.com/vista-bay-at-santa-cruz.php

 

On the right side of webpage: "Santa Cruz <picture of a sunset at the beach> Located in the relaxed atmosphere of America’s quintessential beach town. (sic) the Vista Bay drug rehab facility offers a unique program..."

 

Okay ... I call utter bullshit!

 

I can tell you (with authority) the lovely beach town of Santa Cruz is no where near the Vista Bay Narconon Center!!!!  You might be able to catch a glimpse of Monterey Bay from the Center, located in the mountains above the Bay.

 

I remember years ago riding my horse in Mount Madonna Park, and climbing to get a view of the Bay.  I kept running into barb wire and padlocked gates across the equestrian paths.  Looking back now, I'll bet I was coming up on the northern boundaries of Co$'s property!

 

At any rate, Vista Bay is located at the end of a dead-end road, isolated, monitored by a guard station, and {probably} surrounded by barb wire, some twenty plus miles from the Boardwalk!  Don't expect to be walking on any beaches!

 

LIARS!

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

Hey, just wondering if anyone out there lives in Chicagoland and got the see the screening of  The Master last night???  Reviews please?!?!?

worstcultever
worstcultever

My vote for the #1 Scamtology crippler of the year - Katie Holmes AND Tony Ortega!

 

(Think Oscars '69, when both Streisand and Kate Hepburn shared the best actress honor)

 

But since Tony's probably too modest to cite himself, I'll take Katie and LRH (all-time self-crippler extraordinaire).

chuckbeatty77
chuckbeatty77

 @meidaatit 

 

"Narconon does not push religion....."

 

Hubbard said his secular ideas are not religious, by decree.

 

It's absolutely debatable whether the Narconon program steps are religious or not, and the debate is not going to ever go away.

 

The TRs, the False Data Stripping, the Word Clearing, the Conditions Formulas, the trips to the Ethics Officer, the keeping of statistics, are debatable as to being religion or not.

 

The Sauna to Narconon is the Purification Rundown in the Church of Scientology on the Hubbard "Bridge to Total Freedom."

 

Sure, not all coming through the Narconon program go on to join Scientology corporate entities.

 

But what the addicts doing the Narconon program get, is Hubbard "tech" that is used in all Class 5 churches of Scientology internationally.

 

Narconon doesn't push religion, they are doing it, on the Narconon addicts.

 

What the Narconon addicts get, is the same Scientology that Scientologists in Scientology churches around the world get!

 

It might be more accurate to say, that Narconon addict clients GET Scientology, and that is a fact.

 

Chuck Beatty

ex Sea Org (1975-2003)

866-XSEAORG

meidaatit
meidaatit

 @PreferToBeAnon

 Will regulation of rehabs include regulation of prsion rehabs??? .Addcits are not allowed to attend rehab  until the end of their jail or prison term. Also how about all the addicts  that die in the drunk tank of the county jail or state prsion?? MaYBE IT IS TIME TO LOOK AT HOW ALL ADDCITS ARE TREATED BY OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM. Most people in jail or prsion are incarcerated due to dug or alcohol addcition and crimes related to addcition yet there is not 24-7 medical care on the premises and they are locked in cells with only twice a month visits with their family and no treatment. Ask how much food and the quality of the food the incarcerated addcit is given? Narconnon tries to help addicts. Nraconnon's charge for rehab  is minimum, making  rehab affordable for those who do not have health insurance. Rehabs that bill insurances charge double or triple that price. Maybe it is time for all senators to see how addcits in our society are treated by the jail and prison system...and how many die while incarcerated.

FLUNK
FLUNK

 @JohnPCapitalist 

First of all, I feel your rage.

Regarding the "INEVITABLE JEWISH CONSPIRACY", I wasn't so quick to call good old LRH an anti-Semite. I remember him defending the "always attack" strategy by saying years of passivity had earned the Jews nothing but slaughter. And I shouldn't be telling you this, but LRH gives props to the Kabbalah in the OT VIII materials.

We all know that certain ethnic groups have historically been forced by the status quo into certain occupations.From the year 800 to 1700, Jews in Europe (Ashkenazim) were restricted from doing many kinds of work. We all know they were allowed to lend money. And back then there were no zeroes, just Roman numerals. Anyone know how to compute xvii% of cccl?  It's not a straightforward computation.

After almost a millennium of being forced into mostly managerial and financial jobs, should anyone be surprised at a Jewish banker? Can we get over it already? 

 

(BTW my reference on this is "Before The Dawn" by Nicholas Wade)

 

TheHorse
TheHorse

 @JohnPCapitalist Someone posted on the NBC comments an interesting conclusion, according to Hubbard, the jewish bankers and the WB assisted the psychs and psychiatric death camps who caused the holocaust. Take away the links and Hubbard belived that the jewish bankers funded  and were complacent with the holocaust.

PeggyToo
PeggyToo

 @JohnPCapitalist

 Excellent analysis, as always, JohnP.  Now you can go have some expensive drinks with your cronies. Have one for me.

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @datumomnom My thoughts exactly, oh and David Icke and Lyndon LaRouche also. So did Jones take "Prison Planet" from Hubbard's use of the term ?

PoisonIvy
PoisonIvy

 @Grace Maybe that's why the period is there, between the description of Santa Cruz and the sentence : "the Vista Bay."  They think they can get away with fooling people by the uncapitalized "t".  Seriously, wouldn't that be typically deceptive Scn thinking?

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @Grace Good job. Ahh Santa Cruz, I had one of my best acid trips ever up in the hills amongst the Redwoods.

LemonLemon
LemonLemon

 @PeggyToo

 I didn't know there even was a screening in Chicago!  I would have been there in a heartbeat.  Cannot wait to see it next month!

TheHoleDoesNotExist
TheHoleDoesNotExist

 @worstcultever If we can have a write-in vote just for #1 position:  Three way tie:  Katie Holmes,  Tony Ortega and David Love's balls.

deElizabethan
deElizabethan

No, but thanks for that, since Radar has article, was great.

JohnPCapitalist
JohnPCapitalist

 @FLUNK My comment about Hubbard's anti-semitism in this OOD was based on the sense that the "Meyer and Rothschild" bit seemed to be thrown in randomly.  I hadn't encountered anti-semitic commentary in Scientology before.  Lots of homophobia, stuff about Christ as an "implant," and all sorts of other rot, but I hadn't seen anti-semitism.  So I was kind of surprised.  

 

The key point I was trying to make is that, whatever the role of anti-semitism in his full body of work, he just tossed in a gratuitous reference to "international bankers."  That's a staple of garden variety John Birch-style conspiracy theories that have been kicking around for a long time. So Hubbard's paranoid fantasies were not terribly original by the standards of the cranks, flakes and tin foil hat crazies of the time.  

 

You are correct in your synopsis of how finance became the province of Jews in the middle ages, since Christians were required to follow usury laws back then, creating an opportunity for Jews.  (Interestingly, usury laws prohibited charging interest but people were free to _pay_ interest, including most of the sovereign governments of Europe, who borrowed from the Rothschilds and many other Jewish commercial dynasties to finance wars, colonization, etc.).  

 

Incidentally, I'm not Jewish.  I'm so stereotypically a member of the New England WASP branch of the financial community that I could be a caricature.  But at least my parents didn't name me Tad or Biff.  

JohnPCapitalist
JohnPCapitalist

 @PoisonIvy "Maybe that's why the period is there, between the description of Santa Cruz and the sentence : 'the Vista Bay.'  They think they can get away with fooling people by the uncapitalized 't'."

 

Not deceptive Scn thinking but basic paranoid whack job thinking.  The "sovereign citizen" nutcases, the ones who think that US laws and taxes don't apply to them, believe that when their name is spelled in all capital letters, as in on the front page of a criminal indictment, that is not referring to them because they only capitalize the first letter of each name.  So far, the sovereign citizens are batting 0.00% on that argument in court.  

Grace
Grace

 @PoisonIvy You think like a detective!  You may be right ... or it could be just a grammatical mistake.  

 

I learned that there are three "Vista Bay" Narconon Centers in northern California, including Watsonville, South Lake Tahoe, and Placerville.  

 

I can guarantee that the Lake Tahoe photo on the website link above was not taken from the Narconon Center or its closest beach.  For one thing, there are no boulders or inlets at Pope Beach (one mile from the Center).   I would guess this photo was taken at Emerald Bay (about an 8 mile drive).

 

I wouldn't call this marketing ploy an outright lie, just a possible "stretch", since they mention supervised visits to the lake.

 

More food for thought:

 

http://www.ripoffreport.com/personal-services/narconon-vista-bay/narconon-vista-bay-vista-bay-dee02.htm

TheHoleDoesNotExist
TheHoleDoesNotExist

 @PoisonIvy  @PeggyToo My god that review made me wish I could afford a Venice air fare and hotel because who could wait a month?  Can't wait to see which theatres will be carrying this one in my neck of the woods.  I think it's serious party worthy.

 

AussieCase
AussieCase

 @TheHoleDoesNotExist I actually think that Katie Holmes is not crippling Scientology as much as Tom Cruise is. The "Freedom Medal" winner needs to run around an orange pole, and scrub a dumpster with his toothbrush.

 

FLUNK
FLUNK

 @JohnPCapitalist 

I had a WASP college roommate whose father worked on Wall St.

Great guy.

I remember visiting him in Larchmont, NY over the summer ...

I remember "Biff" being a verb, ... as in "He 'Biffed' her."

Any major dude will tell you my friend!

 

JohnPCapitalist
JohnPCapitalist

 @TheHoleDoesNotExist  @Grace  @PoisonIvy If it wasn't for the suppressive typists mixing semicolons with commas so frequently in the original Hubbard works, there wouldn't have been "The Basics," a way to get $50 to $80 million from the suckers that populate the cult's membership roster.  So the Suppressive Typists League is one of their biggest moneymakers. 

 

That makes me wonder if they put the extra period on their web site so they can contact those Narconon victims in a couple years and tell them to come back and redo their sauna and niacin treatment because of the mis-punctuated web site, which means that drug residues are still trapped in their bodies. 

Grace
Grace

 @JohnPCapitalist  @PoisonIvy 

"Not deceptive Scn thinking but basic paranoid whack job thinking.  The "sovereign citizen" nutcases, the ones who think that US laws and taxes don't apply to them, believe that when their name is spelled in all capital letters, as in on the front page of a criminal indictment, that is not referring to them because they only capitalize the first letter of each name.  So far, the sovereign citizens are batting 0.00% on that argument in court. "

 

Wow, you've expanded my thinking.  Here I just thought they mistakenly used a 'period' when they should have used a 'comma'.  The possibility that it was purposeful in order to justify untruthfulness boggles my mind.

Capt._Howdy
Capt._Howdy

 @JohnPCapitalist  So what's the difference between the Freeman Movement and the Sovereign Citizens Movement ? Oh wait, I forgot this wasn't Stormfront. Nevermnind.

AussieCase
AussieCase

 @TheHoleDoesNotExist Fair enough, Katie did draw the attention back to Scientology this summer, at that gives her high billing.

 

Tom and his disappearing mission impossible freedom medal video brought Scientology to the attention of Anonymous and the protests, and it does look like Tom's gung-ho Seientologist disposition had a part in the break up. At least give the guy a toothbrush to scrub a dumpster with.

TheHoleDoesNotExist
TheHoleDoesNotExist

 @AussieCase Katie Holmes,  The Sleuth/Mother,  in one week got millions exposed to and educated on The Hole,  The RPF,  Underage Children in the Sea Org,  Sea Org slavery/kidnapping/abuse,  Fair Game,  Disconnection,  SP and SP Policy.      In 30 years prior,  all Tom Cruise fans learned was who to call in case of an accident.  

 

Tom Cruise acted the role of an aged Rock Star.   Katie Holmes Rocked every mother in America and multiple countries and innoculated  children everywhere.     And Tom Cruise doesn't deserve a toothbrush.

Grace
Grace

 @V4Vacation I really do believe Cruise is unhinged.  He is particularly vulnerable because he is simply not the sharpest knife in the drawer.  I have been boycotting his movies for some time now.

V4Vacation
V4Vacation

 @Capt._Howdy  @TheHoleDoesNotExist  @worstcultever 

I might try to argue that it is actually Tom Cruise that should take Katie Holmes' spot, or that they should at least share it.  Without question, Holmes took everyone by surprise with her devastating left hook -- maybe her father and her attorneys should get some credit too -- but at the end of the day, she's just trying to get her life back and save her daughter from the nonsense.  

 

But who's at fault for instigating her actions?  Her ex-husband.  His brand of crazy is I think ultimately responsible to the detriment to CoS.  Their divorce got people talking about his older children being kept away from their own mother Nicole Kidman, and all the other ancillary hullabaloo.

Now Trending

New York Concert Tickets

From the Vault

 

Loading...