Cliven Bundy Betrays Rightbloggers, Forcing Them to Denounce (Some of) His Crazy Ideas

Back at the libertarian corral, Reason's J.D. Tuccille was mad that liberals like Jonathan Chait were laughing at the seemingly natural tendency of conservatives who are crazy about Big Gummint to also be crazy about race. "Maybe it's because the cameras and journalists focus on one loudmouth on horseback," harrumphed Tuccille, "even as representatives of nine state governments meet in Salt Lake City at the Legislative Summit on the Transfer of Public Lands." See, it's Fox News' job -- which it did remarkably well before the fall -- to focus non-stop on the "loudmouth on horseback," while the MSM types are supposed to mainstream the states'-rights argument behind it by covering the suits. Don't you statists know anything about journalism?

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Haw haw... arugula! (Via.)
Mark Steyn tried to turn Bundy into a Bizarro-world discrimination case: If you abandon Bundy because he's a racist nut, he argued, you're being prejudiced against racist nuts.

"Let's stipulate that Cliven Bundy is a racist... So what?" asked Steyn. "Does that make criticizing the Bureau of Land Management 'racist' or 'homophobic'?" That would be a great argument, if Bundy were being discriminated against for his beliefs in a court of law, rather than in the court of public opinion. Nonetheless Steyn went on as if public sympathy for the crazy rancher were mandated by the Civil Rights Act: "If you run a red light and hit a pedestrian, it makes no difference whether the pedestrian you hit is Nelson Mandela or Cliven Bundy. Or at least it shouldn't: one of the basic building blocks of civilized society is equality before the law..."

Eventually Steyn seemed to realize the futility of his cause, and descended into wingnut bathos: English-speaking people used to resist tyranny, he sniffled, but "as the Bundy example illustrates, a free people will cheerfully abandon bedrock principles like equality before the law if state power is being used to torment a racist or a homophobe or someone whose very presence offends against the citizenry's sense of its own virtue." We have sometimes been in sympathy with Steyn, but now, for the first time, we actually feel sorry for him.

We salute those rightbloggers who stood forthrightly with the madman Bundy before, and by God stand with him now. Kerodin III, for example, the comic-book villain who declared two weeks back that "the war is begun" and advised his comrades to "give your local BLM detachment something to occupy their time" to give Bundy cover, this week angrily told the Republicans who'd abandoned Bundy, "For everyone who cut and run - thank you. You have revealed who you are... we will remember." You won't be getting this absentee ballot from the Republic of KerodinIIIastan!

A few cowboys insisted Bundy wasn't racist at all and that the New York Times was lying about what he said. "The reality is the mainstream media is attempting yet another sneaky psy-op geared to further demonize the rancher and is relying on its favorite propaganda tactic: painting the opposition as racist," decreed Bundy's pal Alex Jones. When the Times released tapes of Bundy spewing his bilge, some insisted that sure, the short version looks bad, but the extended club mix version of Bundy's ramblings exonerated him.

What the liberals didn't want you to know, said Kyle Becker of Independent Journal Review, is that in the long version Bundy "says that there has been 'progress' made and no one would want to go back to the days of slavery, but he indelicately wonders if some would be better off if they were 'picking cotton.'" Wonder, emphasized -- and how can there be anything bad about wonder? "Racially insensitive," admitted Becker, "but he's not saying that blacks are worse than whites." Though presumably there's no need to wonder whether whites on welfare would be better off picking cotton on a plantation, for some reason having nothing to do with race.

"Are the remarks controversial?" asked The Conservative Tree House. "Yes, however - No more so than the remarks made by Shirley Sherrod." They refer to statements that were actually trimmed to twist their meaning... by rightwing activist Andrew Breitbart. Give them credit for chutzpah, anyway.

Others found a few black people who were pro-Bundy, and ran with them to the camera crying, Look, some The Negroes agree with us!

One Kira Davis said in a well-circulated video that while Bundy's point was "awkwardly-made," that's okay because "we have basically enslaved ourselves all over again to the government by depending on them for so much" -- except without the enforced and uncompensated servitude, whippings, status as property, etc. While Davis admitted Bundy was "probably a bigot," she still accepted the "veracity" of his case: "We could talk about the legalities and the technicalities and we can talk about the taxes he owes," she said, "or we can talk about all of the things in this country that have been legal that were unjust -- slavery was legal, and Jim Crow was legal," and thus Cliven Bundy, because he has to pay grazing fees, has something in common with slaves (except for the enforced and uncompensated servitude, whippings, status as property, etc.).

Among the other black Bundyites:

• Tea Party fixture Lloyd Marcus, who said his relatives "lived wasted lives because they were addicted to government dependency. They were Democrat party slaves... robbed of the self-esteem, pride and joy of individual achievement," and so he agreed with Bundy, we guess, that it might be better to be owned by white people than affiliated with the wrong political party;

The black guy who's hanging around the Bundy compound ("Bottom line is that we are all slaves in this waning republic, no matter our skin color");

Niger Innis, son of black conservative Roy Innis, who claimed to have successfully explained to Bundy why slavery was bad -- "it was almost like a lightbulb went on," said Innis -- but generally approved of his statement, which Innis said was just "clumsily" expressed: "What would've been better is if Cliven had said, 'Look, there are a number of blacks and Latinos and poor whites now that are involved in a real slavery,'" etc;

Cuh-razy motherfucker Alan Keyes ("[Bundy] wasn't talking so much about black folks, but about the harm and damage that the leftist socialism has done to blacks").

There -- that's five, and there may be dozens more! Check and mate, libtards!

The funny thing -- or the depressing thing, depending on how you look at it -- is that while many of the brethren understood the necessity of decoupling from Bundy because his comments had made him toxic, they still clung to the old Confederate dream of threatening violence against the federal government and demanding a separate legal standard with impunity.

We suppose the next time a posse comitatus nut summons shooters to a confrontation with ZOG, he will first have been briefed by a public relations team. The question is whether this will make any difference. For one thing, despite general rightblogger claims that Bundy is, or at least was, "AMERICA'S NEWEST HERO," there was never any evidence of it; the only polls on Bundy were run by rightblogger outlets, e.g. "Are you Team Cliven Bundy or Team Federal Government?" asked by Fox News' Greta Van Susteren. Bundy did well among that constituency, as would anyone with a grudge against the government. But among ordinary people -- who unlike Bundy think the United States exists and expects its laws to be observed -- the idea that a mooching rancher can and should hold off John Law with his firepower might not go down so well.

But that discussion has been tabled because Bundy couldn't keep his trap shut about black people. And though for the moment it looks embarrassing to rightbloggers, considering how important neo-Confederate ideas are to their movement and how unkind long public scrutiny would be to them, it may be that with Bundy's fall they actually dodged a bullet.

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McSalmon
McSalmon

In light of recent events, I have to say that while it was fairly predictable that a gaggle of yahoos, flushed from victory after a massive stand off in the name of liberty (Of some people from paying fees for services accrued over 20 years), that they sort of forgot what the hell they were doing, and slowly degenerated into paranoia, infighting, disillusionment, and now they're at each others throats. These guys will very likely all go home soon, and Cliven Bundy's legacy will go from 'Conservative Icon' to 'Prisoner 453201A' very rapidly. And not a few of these men will visit him there as well. 


This is why I don't trust conservatives with political power - they don't have any policies anymore, beyond 'I don't like the enemy, whoever that is today'. Beyond this, they really have no long range vision for anything, and any 'revolution' they envision is going to go down like this, with a bunch of angry guys walking away from the mess they made, burning their uniforms, and leaving some guy holding the bag. And so it goes.

hakon39
hakon39

McSalmon, the fact that you "have no respect" for "these people" is pretty typical. 


Try looking at this from another point of view;  Al Sharpton owes the Feds 2.6 MILLION dollars in taxes, plus just shy of a MILLION to the state.


When are they going to show-up at his house, isolate it with paramilitaries, threaten and assault his family, and confiscate his property?


Yeah.  Not in this lifetime.

hakon39
hakon39

Racist?  Only if you feed on the soundbites and don't look at the actual words he spoke.


The real story, which so many on the Left AND Right are trying so hard to ignore, is that American Citizens are getting close to the point of doing a little regime-change of their own.


As long as people buy into the left/right dichotomy and are content to drink their beer and let others think for them, we will continue to devolve into a Police State.


Pat yourselves on the back for being good progs, but you should try to remember that the FedBacon managed to turn out something on the order of a thousand armed Citizens within a few days time by bullying one old man and his family.  That could be magnified pretty radically without trying too hard.


TOSIAR

merl.allen
merl.allen topcommenter

There are more white people on Government Assistance than there are black people. Are the white ones also on the plantation? And another thing, why the hell are people surprised or outraged that some old Mormon is a racist? I would expect him to be one.

frank124c
frank124c topcommenter

Bundy's statements about black people was horrible but as far as the land is concerned he does have a point. The US government rules by force of arms. They took the land from the indians by force of arms, they kept the country from breaking up into tiny pieces by force of arms and they collect taxes by force of arms. If the US government didn't have the threat of jail hanging over our heads, how many people would pay their taxes? Chairman Mao was right when he said, "Power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Unfortunately, us little people do not have the guns to fight the government. Bundy thinks he does but he will find that altho he won one standoff he will lose big time in the end.  

cjmcwaffle
cjmcwaffle

You know, it's hard to trust a freedom fighter who thinks slavery was a good idea.


Just saying.

ssmith73
ssmith73

Ted has some good points. He has not betrayed all the American people like all the left wing nut jobs in the media and Obama. Labelling people racist is counter-productive. But that's the strategy of the illiberal left distraction and division. Not a bright person amongst the lot of them. Maybe Obama should have spent more time with mum if she could have taught him much more common sense. If you want to be a left wing fascist go and do some social science courses at university. That's where common sense and plainspeak is replaced with incoherent elitism.

ssmith73
ssmith73

I see Bundy is backed by an enlightened black American and the protestors at the NRA mustered 25 people. Looks like they got blown away.

glennisw250
glennisw250 topcommenter

"Obama-styled communism."  AKA, Reagan-era policies.

McSalmon
McSalmon

So, the conservatives have yet again backed a 'revolutionary hero' who turned out to be a retrograde asshole with a Jesus complex and a fondness for times when a white guy could do anything he wanted and the wogs couldn't say boo about it. Surprise! Who could have known, except for, say, some sort of news gathering organization who might have maybe tried to find out what skeletons were in his closet before rushing him to the front of their War Against The Future. Do the conservatives have one of those? No?


Cause I saw this happening - it's not hard. You just have to remember all the folks who flocked to the border to 'defend it' against the brown hordes coming to maliciously clean things for low pay. Same folks, same guns, same stupid 'heroes journey' where they dramatically shoot the enemy while diving through fireballs and maybe seeing the hot chicks booby, just like Red Dawn promised us. 


But these folks aren't heroes at all. Heroes, even the two fisted gunman who is too hard to love, actually try to solve problems. They actively try to engage with issues that affect people, and their lives. The defenders of Bundy had one plan - force the government to attack them, and then toss some women in the front to spark outrage, and something something they win! They actively sought a civil war, in other words, or at least a massive civil uprising. There's a word for folks like that - it rhymes with 'Ayter'.

McSalmon
McSalmon

@hakon39 When a thousand wanna be Wolverines converge on Al's property, defy authorities, push around passersby and demand the IRS disarm unilaterally, you would have a point. You will note that government agencies usually have a process for payment plans for those who owe, and due process to appeal a decision. Al Sharpton is still going through his, Bundy went through all that, three times, and is still denying to follow the directives of a court to pay back fees that he had accumulated for 20 years. 


So, no - I don't respect people who have taken to stopping people on the roads in the name of the freedom from paying fees on the common land that everyone else has to. This is the same gang of fools that is ready to flock to any cowboy fantasy that holds the faint glimmer of promise of a world where they fight an enemy that they made up in their head.

The BLM? Really? Bundy's defiance of paying those fees is one step above disobeying the denial of a local zoning variance, and these dummies are willing to fight on that hill? More likely, these guys will end up in jail, and learn just how much water a 'you aren't the boss of me!' defense holds.



McSalmon
McSalmon

@hakon39 I think it is admirable to want to create change for the benefit of society as a whole. Working with a host of other people in tandem for the purpose of achieving a common goal is a good thing, and the pinnacle of what a democracy can do. Even when there are opposing viewpoints, a calm and reasonable discussion of the issues, concerns and plans can lead to long lasting positive policy for the benefit of all.

This is exactly what the Bundy militia is not doing. No one elected them, or Bundy, to represent him. No one certainly would want to at this point. And, since current reports have them stopping people on the roads to check their ID, I doubt they are well loved of the people of Bunkerville and surrounding areas. These aren't revolutionaries, they aren't freedom fighters - they are LARPers in camouflage. There used to be a name for people who banded together as a paramilitary  I have no respect for these wanna be SA; let the desert sun wither them away. 

MattinNOLA
MattinNOLA

Thing is, though, Bundy directly benefitted by the government's actions, and most assuredly would not be in the position he is currently in were it not for the government doing the very things you mention. Anyone with any measure of economic power and success did, especially if they achieved it through natural resources and agriculture and double especially if they're white dudes.

Let's face it Bundy's only real complaint is that the rules we all have to follow, for good or ill, apply to him, as well, despite his thinking he's somehow above it. Like most right-wingers and loony anti-state types, he wants the milk without having to do the work of maintaining the cow. Plus, the whole fantasy world "sovereign citizens" live in, but that's a whole nother argument.

McSalmon
McSalmon

@ssmith73 Cliven (Not Ted) Bundy didn't just drop that interesting view, but also that he was receiving revelations from God to disarm government agents and that the government is illegitimate. They are his words, from his lips, freely given. But what you're saying is to ignore his beliefs as a racist, an anarchist, and a zealot, and merely focus on his great cause that he shouldn't have to pay his fees. Is it OK if I call him a deadbeat then? 


If this was some sort of one off event, it wouldn't be so bad, but the Right has hooked it's wagon to a number of similar nags of late, with the same sort of baggage in various volumes. You say labeling people isn't productive, but to my mind, it's not only what's needed, but it's also something you are doing as well, unless 'fascist', 'not bright' and 'elitism' were just random words you decided to throw in for giggles. 

merl.allen
merl.allen topcommenter

@McSalmon @ssmith73  I guess he couldn't fit Robert Byrd was in the KKK almost a hundred years ago into whatever the fuck he was trying to say.

ssmith73
ssmith73

Look at your nation mate. It is falling apart and dividing. That is not from people like Bundy its your nutter politicians and your nutter left wing journos you defend. Politicians who do Fast and Furious...try and put FCC monitors in newsrooms...put the IRS onto conservative groups. You have no reason to be smug as an ignaramous like most lefties nor even tie Bundy's shoelaces. C.S Lewis talked about the people you criticise little. Perhaps you are one of these. America has taken over from Britain as being the leading milksops of the world. Go back to watching the Simpsons McSalmon.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis"

markymark2112
markymark2112

The fact that the law enforcement establishment in our country are a bunch of jack booted thugs is because of policies made by right wing politicians.

McSalmon
McSalmon

@ssmith73 The 'Nutter politicians' you want are the ones on the GOP side - they are the ones fighting passed legislation tooth and nail. They are the one forcing cuts o services to pay for upper tier tax cuts. They are the ones deciding that the poor need to be starved out of poverty. They are the ones who cannot read a high school science text without seeing treason. You want to know why this nation has issues? Take the log out of your eye, brother, and look to the Right. 

Bundy is no hero - he didn't pay grazing fees, and his reasons for doing so are asinine. He's been laughed out of court three times, and now he's being pig headed. Unfortunately, this nation has a crop of seething assholes who love guns more than they care about the law, who showed up and forced the BLM to back down, or start a violent confrontation - which they seem to have wanted, since the plan was to hide behind women for propaganda purposes. So Heroic. 

You may not care for my smugness, but I sure as hell don't care for being lectured by some berk who thinks that conspiracies blown out of proportion by the Mighty Wurlitzer somehow comprises an argument.

GeoX
GeoX topcommenter

@ssmith73  Aw, that's cute.  Good luck convincing anyone of anything with that tasty word salad of yours!

MattinNOLA
MattinNOLA

Maybe he actually meant Ted Bundy, and what America really needs to do to stop its milksop-y ways and get properly butch is to start stalking and murdering college co-eds. Makes about as much sense as taking a two-bit crooked businessman with a cheap whine seriously.

ssmith73
ssmith73

Cliven Bundy has more brains than you my friend but you cannot respond beyond pointing out a name error. We both know who we are talking about but like most lefties you offer no argument just ridicule. That's a sign of being really dumb.

GeoX
GeoX topcommenter

@ssmith73  Oh man, it's really funny that even a supporter would accidentally refer to him as "Ted Bundy."  Guess you guys really are as dumb as you look!

ssmith73
ssmith73

That's where the source of your liberties come from but an ignoramus like you would not know that. Go back to watching the Simpsons.

MrWonderful
MrWonderful

@ssmith73"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."

You mean like Christianity?

MattinNOLA
MattinNOLA

Man, that socialized education and Thatcherism did you no good whatsoever, did it?

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