Damien Echols Just Moved to New York and Wants to Teach You to Read Tarot

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Damien Echols, with wife Lorri Davis, will be teaching tarot reading classes in the city this summer.
Damien Echols doesn't want to talk about the West Memphis 3 anymore. These days, Echols, one-third of the infamous trio of teenagers convicted of murder but freed amid a groundswell of support nearly 20 years later, would much rather talk about reading tarot - something he plans on teaching to New Yorkers in the very near future.

Echols and his wife, Lorri Davis, are currently on tour for their book of love letters, Yours For Eternity. In a recent telephone interview, he told the Voice he's tired of being known simply as one of the three Arkansas teens who were imprisoned for 18 years after being convicted of raping and killing three young boys in 1993. Echols and his alleged accomplices all maintained their innocence and were released in 2011. As far as Echols is concerned, his days of talking about the case, his imprisonment, and the very public movement that eventually set him free are coming to a close.

"I told Lorri that after [the book tour], that's it," Echols says. "It's awful to have to dredge up this horrible time in my life. I want to move forward."

Part of moving forward involves making plans to teach the art of tarot reading -- something of a passion for Echols -- in New York City.

"I got my first deck [of tarot cards] when I was seventeen years old," he says. "It was a gift from my mother. I hated it at first. I thought the pictures were awful, the colors, gaudy. Obviously, I've changed my mind. I think it is a bridge to magick." He made a point to specify that he was referring to the occult version of the word "magick," as the letter 'k' was historically used to differentiate between it and traditional stage magic.

Echols taught two packed classes this past winter at Soho tattoo parlor, Sacred Tattoo. The focus of the classes were the 22 Major Arcana (cards that indicate big life events).

Echols is currently scheduling dates for an additional series of classes on the Minor Arcana (cards that focus on more basic, day-to-day events) to be taught again at Sacred Tattoo later this summer.

"When I was in prison, Lorri and I would each draw cards at the same time as a way of staying connected. It was our ritual. I was in solitary for ten years. I wasn't allowed a 'real' tarot deck. I got my deck out of a book by Juliet Sharman Burke. The book had tiny replicas of each card, each smaller than a postage stamp. I cut them out, one by one, with a dull razor blade. When I was released, I left them behind in my cell."

Echols, who recently relocated to Harlem from his home in Salem, Massachusetts, says one of his long-term goals now that he is in New York is to open an art gallery. He wants to showcase not only his own work, but the work of other artists. And, of course, he will have his own space for teaching tarot.

Echols admits he has gained a bit of a following thanks to his infamy. The very things, he says, that prosecutors used to convict him nearly 20 years ago -- his interest in practicing magick, his mostly black wardrobe, his renegade persona -- have earned him a number of supporters both during the years of his imprisonment and after his release.

"The things they tried to murder me for -- my love of witchcraft, the tarot, my spirituality, these are the things I never changed about myself during all the years in prison," he says. "The guards couldn't beat it out of me. People thought I was crazy. But what can I say?"

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cwolmak
cwolmak

Until I watch all 3 Paradise lost I'd not heard about this case. It was so obvious in the beginning the 3 convicted did not kill these children. 3 on 3 would never tie up their victims, they wouldn't have to.  I thought it could be John Mark Byers, he was so much in the media and condemning the boys that were arrested. Terry Hobbs now has dna linking him to at least one. I'm not sure Terry Hobbs is guilty after knowing about the truck stop so close by. Most likely who ever killed these children killed before and has killed after. It's a shame police don't realize killers move and make sure mo's are in place in a data bass so all police know how a killer kills. The killer doesn't change how they kill, but they are smart enough to know the cops can't look across lines on there killings. It's God damn time we are in the 21th all MO's should be in a data bass. 


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w.e.reed79
w.e.reed79

The truth about Misskelly is he confessed multiple times not only to police but his own freaking lawyer. 

lorilee
lorilee

I believe they are innocent. It had to be family that killed them boys. The cops took advantage of a mentally incompetent teenage boy Jessie Misskelley Jr. You can read his so-called confession on-line. Them cops are as crooked as they come. Someone had to be the fall-guy for the crime. That was the biggest crime in West Memphis probably still is. Someone dropped the ball there. Its not against the law to read tarot cards. Don't take his class if you don't want to. This is America. Free enterprise. 

art.emis
art.emis

He and Jason might rightly think people are stupid because supporters appear gullible and let him get away with sadistic comments and fall prey to the PL/WoM/DN defense theories tailored to mislead people. Can anyone explain to me how someone who previously asserted he was never into sports now alleges he loves Red Sox, I mean the Red Sox? Maybe loves batting, maybe bloody socks, but not baseball, fans.

JonnyRay
JonnyRay

Echols warned everyone that he was "homicidal" on his welfare application.


Magick, Wicca--and now yoga and tarot cards--are simply abject expedients.  Expedients to channel the anger of being an abandoned nobody in poor Arkansas.  Expedients to excuse mutilating and drowning helpless kids.

Dori1110
Dori1110

Well, If it matters or not. You can all ask God when You see Him. All the answers WILL come out when it really matters. In The End.

PongoStick
PongoStick

Actually, Asher and BTaylor make some very valid points. The WM3 were offered a chance to be exonerated and clear their name in the form of an evidentiary hearing.

Their lead Attorney Dennis Riordan, who also represented Phil Spector, wanted to skip the hearing and go straight to trial. The reason being, Riordan knew winning a 20 year old, high profile case was a slam dunk.

I also believe that Riordan knew the "new evidence" that was pitched in the movies was weak and might not have had the same effect on the court as it did people who paid money for the Paradise Lost Box Set and treat Damien like a celebrity, and fawn over his fortune cookie bullshit on twitter and Instagram.

If he's truly innocent, then he should answer a few questions from doubters and skeptics. And believe me, I have a few.

Dori1110
Dori1110

And not to mention the Bail BONDSWOMAN...that took me in the bathroom at the courthouse and stuck 2000.00 of mine down in her bra and told me to be quiet about it and the lawyer that took us out of the courtroom and asked us how much money we came up with, said that's not enough. Come back tomorrow with MORE MONEY!  Enough said?

Dori1110
Dori1110

Wow! Just live in West Memphis for a little while and U All will get it. When I left that place I felt like there is no other World like that one. Very backwards and very crooked Law Enforcement. I HOPE THEY READ THIS ONE and take it to their grave knowing they did these Guys wrong. I could share a few stories with the Public about Their Law Enforcements and their Political Beliefs.Mabey like the cop who broke into Our House and the neighbors house and the cop that robbed the corner store and the Cops that busted our door down with no Search Warrant, Stole our guns and money, etc etc. Should I continue? They SUCK!  Sorry! It is What It Is!!!!!!

owl42
owl42

There is no doubt in my mind that Terry Hobbs is actually the monster behind this horrible tragedy. It was Terry's DNA found at the crime scene, not the three boys. And Terry Hobbs hit Steven before and had hit Steven's mother before, almost breaking her jaw. He also shot her brother when her family tried to go to her aid. And Stevens own sister had told that Terry had sexually molested her before. And in his divorce from his other wife Angela Timms and Angela accused Terry of molested their own son, Bryan Hobbs. Terry also had a history with drugs, he smoked weed, did cocaine and crystal meth. He had a very bad reputation and he was very angry. He has also tried to take Stevens items, and he got mad at Pam Hobbs for talking to John Walsh who simply told her she had courage and to not give up. He was also asked by Pam if he knew where Stevens suitcase was and he lied and said no and one officer took him out to his truck and he opened the trunk and Stevens suitcase was there! And the day after the murders Stevens aunt says she saw Terry Hobbs washing clothes, bed linen, etc at weird hours, why was he washing so much randomly ? And it could have been Mark Beyers as well. Mark Beyers was also into drugs and he also beat his wife and Christopher. Mark Beyers ex wifes family contacted police saying he could have done it, 7 neighbors said he could have done it and many people also accused Terry Hobbs of commiting the crime. Pam Hobbs brother Jackie threatened Terry saying that Terry killed Steven. Terry Hobbs said he went with friend David Jacoby to search for the boys and Jacoby denies this and says he saw Hobbs with the three boys behind him. He also claimed he went with Jacoby at 6-6:30 to search the woods and that there were many people also searching but the boys were last seen at 6p.m. and reported missing at around 8-8:30 and there wasn't an immediate massive wide search. He keeps changing so many things in so many of the things he's said and its ridiculous. This is the real monster.

btaylor1217
btaylor1217

The headline for this article should read:


Is a convicted triple child murderer and his prison groupie wife living in NYC?


The answer is YES!

Please do not support a baby killer.

asherhardstark
asherhardstark

There is a misleading statement in this article:


"convicted of murder but freed amid a groundswell of support nearly 20 years later,"


Hughes fails to mention that the real reason Echols and his accomplices were freed is because the Arkansas Supreme Court granted a hearing to present new evidence, but months before that hearing was to take place, Echols offered to plead guilty. We'll never know if his evidence would have proven his innocence, or even if there was any real evidence at all. Echols and his accomplices remain convicted child murderers.


If you are comfortable taking a class from a man who tortured and murdered three eight year old boys, enjoy.

mungallha
mungallha

@PongoStick I was wondering if you would share your questions with me. This case has always perplexed me. And the article above he says he never changed things but I remember reading an article where he said he no longer practiced magick as he had seen the "error" of that and had converted to catholicism. 

dana1974
dana1974

@PongoStick If he's truly guilty, then the state of Arkansas was criminally negligent in letting him go.


There was at least one stepfather connected to the little boys who behaved in peculiar ways AND his wife (the boy's mother) turned up dead some time after the boys' murder.  Doesn't that strike you as odd?  Stepparents are known to be more likely to be dangerous to children.  My best friend is a social worker and she said they were taught that in college.  He and any other stepparents involved should have been the FIRST looked at by the cops, not the weird-looking Goth kid in the black clothes.  That was irresponsible on top of intolerant.

Dori1110
Dori1110

THEY FRAMED THOSE KIDS> BOTTOM LINE!!!


PatrickGrady
PatrickGrady

@btaylor1217 Looks like the trolls from the WM3 "Facts" page have come out with their pitchforks. 


You people seriously have no life. Quit playing detective and let the REAL court system handle the situation. Oh wait. They did. The 3 just had to take a crappy deal in order to get out. 

Do you think in your right mind that the court system would let 3 people out of prison if they actually did the crime?

You can go back to working at Wawa or whatever meaningless job you have. You're not wanted here.

etc1988
etc1988

@asherhardstark Alford pleas do NOT necessitate that the defendant/convicted must be released through time served. The state could have rejected the defense's proposal for the plea, and even countered with an offer to reduce his sentence to life or something less. They instead accepted the plea and allowed him to walk out of prison when he was on death row. You don't let someone walk free without a trial after being on death row unless you're confident that they would be acquitted in the trial. 

dana1974
dana1974

@asherhardstark And by the way, an Alford plea is not a guilty plea.  It says "I assert my innocence but you have enough evidence to declare me guilty," which is not an invalid thing to declare in the WM3's case since Arkansas had already declared them guilty once and that guilty charge upheld in appeals courts.

It has no bearing on objective physical reality.  We convict and imprison people based on legal fictions all the time.  Like getting life imprisonment for stealing designer jeans because you had two other convictions and you're in a state with a three-strikes law.

dana1974
dana1974

@asherhardstark You can offer up all the evidence you like before a jury but the jury can still decide it's not good enough.  Since the state of Arkansas said "we will free you, definitely, if you enter an Alford plea", Damien and the guys decided they were not taking any chances.  I don't blame them, either.  Damien didn't offer the plea, Arkansas told him he could plea.  Big difference.  And why would the state do that?  What did they have to gain from it?  If he really was guilty then they let a murderer free and any further people he kills will be on their hands.  If he was innocent then he would have made them look like fools.  Which do you think is the more likely scenario?  Why would a state government willingly let someone go who was guilty of such a heinous crime?


God, you people are stupid.  I know who the murderers are here--they're people like YOU, who believe any claptrap any right-wing inbred idiot ever tells you, if it means you can beat up on people who are different.

skates
skates

@asherhardstark no, the state of Arkansas offered to let Damien Echols walk off Death Row if he'd take an Alford Plea, in which he states that he is innocent but acknowledges that the state may have enough evidence to convict him. The state of Arkansas told his attorneys that THEY WOULD LET HIM WALK OFF DEATH ROW if they would come up with a legal maneuver that satisfied both sides. Why must you and your friends continue to lie and exaggerate in order to try to win your arguments?

PongoStick
PongoStick

The first question that comes to my mind is why he's been saying in TV interviews (Piers Morgan) that he didn't even live in West Menphis in 1993 and instead, claims that he lived 15 miles away in Marion. When the truth is, he lived in Broadway Trailer Park which was less than 2 miles from the crime scene and was an easy 10 minute walk, accessible from multiple routes.

In fact, the crime scene was located almost dead center between Damien's trailer park and the neighborhood where Jason and Jessie lived. It would have been a perfect meeting place.

Damien also claims he was unfamiliar with the area. But at one time, lived in the Mayfair apartments directly behind the crime scene. I'm not sure of the dates though.

Damien also told the panel on The View that he was not allowed to call alibi witnesses in court. Which is about as untrue as it gets. In fact, he called several witnesses, but the jury didn't believe them because of glaring inconsistencies in their stories.

The interviews I mentioned above are on YouTube.

veddie80
veddie80

@dana1974 @PongoStick That stepfather, Mark Byers, had a strong and proven alibi. Unlike Echols, Baldwin and Misskelley. Their alibies were all proven unreliable and so fragile that their attorneys didn't bother bringing them into the trial.

I am only saying this because I've been reading and researching a lot about this case and, trust me, there's so much confusion and misconceptions going aroud.

PongoStick
PongoStick

@dana1974 If he's truly guilty, then the state of Arkansas was criminally negligent in letting him go.

It wouldn't be the first time a killer walked out of jail. Arkansas is especially notorious for it. Huckabee pardoned some asshole who killed again. And the perps responsible for the 1998 Jonesboro school shootings are free men. (They were juveniles when they pulled the fire alarm at Westside Middle School and opened fire on kids as they ran from the building)

I believe that Scott Ellison weighed his options and really had no choice. He knew that if the hearing granted a new trial, then he would have had to build a fresh case against the 3 and most likely would have lost. Not because the 3 are innocent, but because of strong public opinion and unlimited defense funding. And it certainly wouldn't have been the first time.

This way, the state saves the expense of the trial as well as the lawsuits that would have surely followed the acquittals.

I know it sucks that it's all about money. But money is usually the reason the guilty go free.

I don't know 100% that the WM3 are guilty. But what I do know is that there are other sides and facts of this story that appear to have been deliberately omitted from Paradise Lost and West of Memphis.

PongoStick
PongoStick

If the kids had been related, I would be more focused on a step parent.

Does it not bother you the way PL 1&2 all but accused Mark Byers as being the killer and in the opening scene of PL3, he was suddenly one of the good guys with no explanation whatsoever? The man always had a solid alibi, but that didn't stop Burk Sauls.

veddie80
veddie80

@PatrickGrady @btaylor1217 We (those who think they are guilty) are not playing detectives, we are READING and basing our judgment on first hand documents. See callahan website for interviews, police reports, trial documents... And please don't forget the parts where:

-Several doctors, phychiatrists, family members, teachers and even Damien Echols himself testify about his mental disorder, violence episodes including killing dogs, stalking young girls and drinking blood from kids.


-Several witnesses report about Echols bragging about the murder


-Police interviews' trancripts where Echols suggests details of the killing which proved right (and were unknown at that time because the autopsy report was yet to come)

-Five confessions by MIsskelley,including a very detailed one to his own attorney

I might play detective, but at least I don't base my judgment upon ignorance. And by the way I love heavy metal and I used to were black as a teenager, so I won't buy "satanic panic" bullshit.


btaylor1217
btaylor1217

Unfortunately states do let murderers free. The courts did handle it. They were tried and convicted of brutally murdering and mutilating 3 eight year old boys. Their appeals were upheld all the way to the Supreme Court. The WM3 had a chance for a hearing to get a new trial. But instead of proving their innocence they entered into a guilty plea.

None of the 3 have credible alibis. Not one. They all confessed or bragged about the murders. Fibers were found that matched items in Echols and Baldwin's trailers. A knife was found behind Baldwin's trailer. Witnesses saw Echols muddy near the crime scene. Two types of blood were found an Damien’s necklace, one type matched Michael Moore.

The state of Arkansas has closed this case. You sir have been fooled by a cold blooded devil worshipper and his PR machine who is shamefully making money off of a horrible crime he committed. I hope the people who helped free these killers are held responsible when they harm people again.

lorilee
lorilee

@etc1988 @asherhardstark Alford Plea so they cannot continue their innocence & come back to sue for a wrongful conviction. Alford Plea-does not admit the act, but admits the prosecution could likely prove the charge. Indiana, Michigan & New Jersey do not allow usage of the plea.

asherhardstark
asherhardstark

@dana1974 You are incorrect. Go read the plea agreements Echols and his accomplices signed - it states 'I plead "GUILTY."' An Alford Plea is simply a special type of guilty plea - the only difference being that they do not have to allocute and are permitted to continue proclaiming their innocence. For all legal purposes, Echols and his accomplices have plead guilty and must now live as convicted child murderers for the rest of their lives.

Carolyn Hughes, like many softball reporters writing on the Byers/Branch/Moore murder case, conveniently left out the fact that Echols and his accomplices offered to plead guilty just months before a hearing in which they could have presented evidence of their innocence and possibly won a new trial. This is dishonest and immoral. Echols's neighbors have a right to know they live next to a twice-convicted triple child murderer who has never been exonerated.

Also, the state of Arkansas did not "declare them guilty," the state presented evidence and two juries unanimously found them guilty - convictions that were upheld on all levels of appeal. No government in the US can declare someone guilty of murder without a jury trial; that would violate the sixth amendment.

veddie80
veddie80

@dana1974 @asherhardstark I am left-winged, I love rock music, I don't discriminate any "different" people. Unlike you, I bothered reading and reading and reading FIRST HAND DOCUMENTS before expressing my opinion. Look how stupid I am! I should have saved time and watched Paradise Lost instead. Or maybe a science-fiction movie, that would have been closer to reality.

PongoStick
PongoStick

I'm as far from a "right winger" as a person can get and I still believe they're guilty. I used to be a supporter, but changed my position after fining out what was left out of the movies that convinced so many.

Besides, This isn't a left vs right issue. We're not debating teacher salaries or unions. There are 3 dead children and their convicted killers are being treated like heroes. It's just plain twisted. So please spare me the evil conservative teabagger crap. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm also a critical thinker.

lorilee
lorilee

@skates All 3 had to agree to the Alford Plea. Jason Baldwin did not want to take it. He wanted to continue his appeals but took it for Damien Echol. They wanted the Alford Plea so they could not sue the State of Arkansas. It came down to the last hour for Jason to agree.

asherhardstark
asherhardstark

@skates You are incorrect. After the hearing was scheduled, Echols's attorneys Stephen Braga and Patrick Benca approached prosecutors and offered to skip the hearing and go straight to a new trial. When they refused, his attorneys pitched the Alford Plea to Scott Ellington in a meeting, which he accepted. You can read about it in an article called "The 'big ask'" in the Arkansas Times by Mara Leveritt (the meeting is described on pages 3 and 4). According to the article, "Braga presented the proposal." So I don't see how you or anyone could come to believe that the idea for the plea deal came from the prosecutors.


I do not know if Carolyn Hughes is lying by omission or is simply a sloppy journalist who is too lazy to do rudimentary fact-checking, but the result is the same - her readers are deceived into thinking that the state came up with and pitched the offer.

owl42
owl42

@btaylor1217 if you actually read every single court document and look at the actual facts there is no way these boys murdered those three little boys.

DNA EVIDENCE SHOWS TERRY HOBBS WAS THERE! AND SO WAS ONE OF HIS FRIENDS. EVEN STEVEN BRANCH'S OWN MOTHER DOES NOT BELIEVE THEY DID THIS. SHE FOUND STEVENS KNIFE IN TERRY HOBBS TOOL KIT THAT HE PUT ALL THE WAY UP IN THE ATTIC. WHY WOULD HE PUT THE KNIFE THERE? AND HIS MOM SAW STEVEN WITH THE KNIFE THAT DAY. HE ALWAYS HAD THE THINGS HIS GRANDPA GAVE HIM. ISNT POSSIBLE THAT BECAUSE OF AT THAT TIME WITH THE "BIBLE BELT" SHIT GOING ON THAT THESE THREE BOYS WERE CONVICTED BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DRESSED AND WHAT THEY CHOSE TO BELIEVE IN. PEOPLE WERE SCARED OF THEM AND POLICE COULDNT FIND THE REAL PEOPLE SO THEY HAD TO PIN IT ON SOMEONE. AND WHAT ABOUT THE MAN IN THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT THAT HAD THE SAME MUD ON HIS PANTS THAT THE INVESTIGATORS HAD FROM THE CRIMESCENE AND HE HAD BLOOD ALL OVER HIM. AND THE COPS DID NOT TRY HARD TO FIND THAT MAN. THE PROSECUTION, THE JUDGE, AND THE GODDAMN PEOPLE KNOW THESE BOYS ARE INNOCENT. IT WAS TERRY HOBBS. 

sharonkv777
sharonkv777

@btaylor1217 Your facts are wrong.  One boy, Jessie Misskelly gave a confession after a 12 hour interview in which only 45 minutes were recorded.  He recanted shortly thereafter and refused to testify against Echols and Baldwin at their trial.  A couple of young girls testified that they heard Echols bragging at the softball game...but not one of the people whom he was actually talking to, ever came forward.  The so called fibers that "matched" were a common fiber and one was said to match fibers from Baldwin's mother house coat.  The knife behind Echols' house...no, this was a knife that was conveniently found behind Baldwin's house, in a pond...with reporters on hand to witness the "finding" of the knife, which was found after less than an hour of "hunting". No blood or DNA evidence has ever found that connected the boys to the three murdered boys. The witness who said he saw Echols near the crime scene, said that he saw Echols and his girlfriend walking down the road...not Echols and Baldwin. And eye witness testimony is suspect at best. Especially when mass hysteria is into play.  The "facts" that you have presented as evidence against the WM3,  are all bogus.  Please, if you are sincerely interested in this case, please investigate other sources and get the real facts.  You may not like Damien Echols. You may not like his religion...personally I don't either. BUT none of that makes him or the other two a murderer.  . 

sharonkv777
sharonkv777

@btaylor1217 Your facts are wrong.  One boy, Jessie Misskelly gave a confession after a 12 hour interview in which only 45 minutes were recorded.  He recanted shortly thereafter and refused to testify against Echols and Baldwin at their trial.  A couple of young girls testified that they heard Echols bragging at the softball game...but not one of the people whom he was actually talking to, ever came forward.  The so called fibers that "matched" were a common fiber and one was said to match fibers from Baldwin's mother house coat.  The knife behind Echols' house...no, this was a knife that was conveniently found behind Baldwin's house, in a pond...with reporters on hand to witness the "finding" of the knife, which was found after less than an hour of "hunting". No blood or DNA evidence has ever found that connected the boys to the three murdered boys. The witness who said he saw Echols near the crime scene, said that he saw Echols and his girlfriend walking down the road...not Echols and Baldwin. And eye witness testimony is suspect at best. Especially when mass hysteria is into play.  The "facts" that you have presented as evidence against the WM3,  are all bogus.  Please, if you are sincerely interested in this case, please investigate other sources and get the real facts.  You may not like Damien Echols. You may not like his religion...personally I don't either. BUT none of that makes him or the other two a murderer.  . 

veddie80
veddie80

@daisy @veddie80 

One of girls who telephoned to Echols tried calling him around 9 pm and was told (don’t remember if by his mother or sister) that he wasn’t home. She called back later after 10 pm. So he did not have an alibi covering a crucial time window.

As for Misskelley’s alibi, the witness (Revelle) stated he remembered seeing him at the wrestling on a certain night because of a contract he had signed that night, but he was proven unattendable. From the page you just linked:.

DAVIS: You told him it was May fifth but you also told him it was the day you paid $300 dollars, right?

REVELLE: Yes sir.”

Except the date on that contract is April the 27th!

I don’t call myself well-versed and if I sounded nasty I apologize but English is not my mothertongue and I might have limited linguistic skills. Anyway, I don’t call those who disagree “stupid” or “right-wing” either (like Dana did).

Reading about this case (on books, newspaper articles, forums and websites) what astonished me the most is how those pro-WM3 always recall the “Satanic fear” or rednecks’ mentality but rarely discuss Echols’ mental illness, creepy statements and lies, witnesses stating he admitted the murder, previous episodes of violence (animal killings, stalking, death threats) and so on. These things don’t automatically prove he killed the boys, but prove he is a liar and a violent person.

You know what, I truly hope you are right. Because thinking that three child murders walk free acting like rock stars, signing autographs and making money with books and tattoo classes is something both creepy and deeply disgusting.

btaylor1217
btaylor1217

I hope between yoga classes, tarrot card readings and book tours Damien is able to find the REAL KILLERS!

btaylor1217
btaylor1217

The DNA evidence does not show that Terry Hobbs was there. The hair matched 1.5% of the population or 4.5 million people that did not exclude Terry Hobbs. Even if the hair was Terry's it could have been a secondary transfer since the boys were best friends.

The WM3 were not covicted because of the way they were dressed. They were convicted in 2 trials by 24 jurrors based on the evidence presented at the trials.

Jessie arrived at the police station at 10:00 am. His father signed a waiver for Jessie to take a polygraph at 11:15. Jessie confessed at 2:30. Saying Jessie was

interrogated for 12 hours is a lie.

Don't believe me? Read the documents yourself at www.callhan.8K.com

Or find the truth about these baby killers at www.WM3truth.com (yes this site believes they are guilty which they are).

PongoStick
PongoStick

Actually, it's you who are wrong. Jessie was in police custody less than 4 hours before he began confessing his involvement. Some of that time was even spent tracking down his father to get signed permission for a polygraph,

In fact, there are at least 3 additional confessions from Jessie. He even confessed to his own lawyers without any police interference. This is documented and easily fact checked information.

I stick by my position that anyone who bases their opinions solely on what they saw in Paradise Lost is lacking in crucial information and not making an informed decision. Im a former supporter and it wasn't an easy conversion. But if you're interested in learning the facts, visit www.callhan.8K.com. There, you can find all case and investigation documents. Including Jessie's additional confessions.

daisy
daisy

@veddie80 I was merely pointing out that there WERE alibi witnesses at trial (you specifically said there weren't), though even more who were willing to testify were not called.  I am not analyzing the alibis as reliable or otherwise. I'm not interested in this new wave of wm3 internet truthiness, I am interested in a new trial.

crow83
crow83

@veddie80 Are you trying to say all mentally ill people are killers? If so you know nothing about mental illness. Mentally ill people are most often and most likely the victims of brutality and homicide. More "sane" people kill people than "insane" people. In fact most people are more likely to be killed by family members or friends than strangers anyway last time I checked... 

Dori1110
Dori1110

@PongoStick  Were You there? I lived there and knew the People involved in this mess and knew the Cops and know that one of them actually quit the Force because he could no longer stand what they were doing to these boys. I know that he said they stomped on Jessies hands as he reached down to pick up his so called confession which they conveniently dropped on the floor. And should I continue? You people need to get your facts straight and then get a Life. Let them Live theirs for a change.

veddie80
veddie80

@daisy Yes, techically I was wrong (thanks for pointing that out - not sarcastic), still those alibies turned out weak, at their best, if not unreliable, if not false. 

Anyway, unfortunately we will never have a new trial because WM3 choose to plead guilty and to close the case.

After gathering 20 million dollars in donations to get the best attorneys, pay forensic experts, produce biased documentaries/movies and promise prizes to helpful "witnesses", they still couldn't get any decent evidence to advocate their innocence.


veddie80
veddie80

@crow83 @veddie80  No, of course I'm not saying anything like that. I am only stressing the fact that there were many, many good reasons for suspecting Echols and none of these had to do with the "witch hunt".

The witch hunt was only a defense strategy created by their attorneys and, most importantly, by the media (Paradise lost and following documentaries). Please don't over-simplify my arguments. I am not a narrow-minded or right winger or anyone who discriminates "different" people. I myself believed in their innocence at first, but I kept reading and searching for information. It's only information, not prejudice, which led me to my conclusion. Then, again, I might be wrong but I'm strongly persuaded they're guilty.

Echols lied and keeps lying about many things (he said he wasn't familiar with that wood while he had lived in Mayfair apartmens; he said he never killed a dog and he had, and so on).

daisy
daisy

@veddie80  The case is closed because of the state of Arkansas, not the convicted. I'm not denying public bias, but denying the fact that the state of Arkansas played the lead role in botching the case is just absurd. Why not blame Ellington, too? He admitted he just didn't feel like going to trial on it. Hardly the attitude of a prosecutor who is interested in keeping murderers in prison. At this level the burden of proof is on the Arkansas/US justice system, not a private defense fund. 

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