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What If They Had Congestion Pricing Hearings and Nobody Came?

By Michael Clancy, Monday, Nov. 26 2007 @ 11:29AM
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By John DeSio

The handful of New Yorkers that bothered to show up at the public hearings on Mayor Bloomberg's traffic mitigation proposal see compromise as the key to congestion pricing. It's just too bad that only a total of 149 people — or 42 people not counting elected officials, civic organizations and other interested parties — showed up at the seven public hearings held by the New York City Traffic Mitigation Commission.

Last week saw the release of yet another Quinnipiac Poll indicating that New Yorkers are against Bloomberg’s congestion pricing plan, which would see drivers charged $8 and commercial vehicles $21 to enter Manhattan on weekdays during peak driving hours. According to the poll, 61 percent of New Yorkers oppose the plan, while just 31 percent support it. Even in Manhattan, which had been the only borough to give the plan a thumbs up for months, opposition has crept to a majority level.

But at almost the same time Environmental Defense, a not-for-profit organization that supports congestion pricing, released its own survey of the speakers who participated in any of the seven public hearings recently held by the traffic mitigation commission, the 17-member body that has been charged with tweaking Bloomberg’s original plan into something the State Legislature might find a bit more palatable.

The Environmental Defense survey found that compromise, not blind support or opposition, ruled the day during the seven commission hearings. Though equal numbers, 26 percent, testified for and against the proposal, the survey found that more speakers, 40 percent, offered suggestions to improve the plan.

The same survey also paints a grim picture of the state of civic engagement in this City, illustrating what could be described as a disturbing lack of interest on the part of the general public when it comes to voicing their opinions on a plan that would radically change the urban landscape. Just 149 individuals testified at the seven total hearings. When you subtract elected officials, civic organizations and other interested parties, you are left with just 28 percent, 42 total regular people, who felt the need to testify.

Neil Giacobbi, a spokesperson for Environmental Defense, concedes that there were definitely problems with the commission’s hearing schedule, calling it “unbelievable” in its planning method. Two hearings, one in Long Island and another in Westchester, were held on the same day, splitting the commission’s members into two groups. The Bronx’s hearing was held on Halloween, keeping many parents away given their more pressing trick-or-treating activities. And the Staten Island hearing was held the night before Election Day, with that borough having the only hot election the City would see in 2007.

Still, Giacobbi said there are great lessons to be learned in studying the responses of the accumulated testimony, that the support for congestion pricing is not as cut and dry as polls might make it seem. “We’re trying to do anything we can to demonstrate that there is more flexibility on this issue than people might believe,” said Giacobbi. When people are given more than a yes or no option, he said, they tend to offer their support for congestion pricing, albeit with their own unique changes.

Giacobbi feels that opposition to the plan stems from wrongheaded criticism, led by elected officials and the parking garage industry. He admits that opponents have done a better job making their case to the media, but does still feel that the tide can be turned. In fact, he noted that his organization has done several focus groups on the issue, and that support for the plan is almost universal when people walk out of the room.

“Most people haven’t thought about this critically,” said Giacobbi. “Once you get into the details of the plan, they come around to it.” Transit improvements have to come from somewhere, he added, and congestion pricing is the best way to pump that money into the system. The sooner people realize that the better off commuters will be, said Giacobbi.

“The poll says that New Yorkers do not fundamentally understand congestion pricing,” he said. “If they did understand it, they would support it.”

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Comments (8)

Julie Field says:

No, just the opposite. The more you learn about CP, the more you realize that is a regressive tax on the middle-class that has little to do with asthma (what asthma below 86th??? asthma's in Harlam & Bronx!) or the environment. The plan has only been released in dribs & drabs & only after Bloomberg spent millions in PR & payoffs. What next? A charge to enter Central Park? If any other country charged poorer people to enter a richer person's neighborhood (the one with the shops & cultural institutions) w/out a working public transportation system it would be called apartheid. Here it's called Congestion Pricing.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 9:06AM
anon says:

Where did you get the 149 people came to all hearings? I don't believe that is true.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 11:56AM
Josh Trutt says:

Actually, Julie, this plan IS used elsewhere-- Singapore, London, Rome, Stockholm-- and it's not called Apartheid, it's called Congestion Pricing. My friends who live in London have been quite happy with it, though of course Londoners complained also when it was first proposed. In Europe, it's fairly simple: remove cars, so buses can actually move in traffic-- then more people will ride the bus-- which removes MORE cars, etc. London started it in 2003 and it works so well, they increased the area affected in Feb 2007. Has it been perfect? No, it seems to have reduced traffic by about 20% instead of 25% as they hoped. It has definitely reduced pollution. (As an E.R. doctor I find it hilarious that you think asthma is somehow limited to "Harlam (sic) & Bronx"-- somehow Manhattanites have evolved lungs that breathe soot?) Traffic fatalities have dropped significantly. Obviously, the funds raised have to go into improving public transportation from the outer boroughs-- more bus and train lines. Bottom line is, every year it gets more and more difficult to move a car in Manhattan. No solution for this is going to please everyone, obviously. But something has to be done. The best days to walk around Manhattan were the weeks following 9-11, when many roads were closed to cars and people had to take public transportation. For a little while, the city was a pleasant place to walk, even outside of the parks. No horns honking, less diesel fumes. A taste of what's possible.

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 10:16AM
Nick says:

I find something a little backward here. Commercial vehicles are, for the most part, delivery men, without whom Manhattan would have no commerce. It's passenger cars that are clotting the streets.

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 1:53PM
Cap'n Transit says:

Julie, where did you learn all those things, from Walter McCaffrey? Too bad they're all lies.

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 1:54PM
laborlibert says:

Julie:

I confess to not knowing the specifics of the plan, but I agree with you in principle that it appears to be another way for the mayor to make this City more convenient for the wealthy (second avenue subway is another prime example). I am really commenting to point out that Dr. Trutt is terribly wrong for criticizing your comment about the high asthma rates uptown. Any real New Yorker knows this. Then again, any real New Yorker would not describe walking around Manhattan after 9/11 as pleasant. While I understand the point that he was making about traffic, it was still a pretty absurd statement.

Posted On: Saturday, Dec. 1 2007 @ 7:34PM
Susan says:

Congestion pricing is just another way to make Manhattan into a safe, convenient playground for the rich, for whom $8 is trivial, but for whom being stuck in traffic is a drag. Meanwhile, the rest of us are stuck on even more crowded, miserable, inconvenient, lengthy public transit rides that, even according to the MTA, cannot handle any more traffic. Their solution, unbelievably, is that we should travel off-peak on lines that aren’t overcrowded because they don’t go where we need to go at the time we need to be there; few of us are riding the subways just for the fun of it—we have to be at work in a specific place at a specific time, which usually involves those trains that are already over capacity. As to the mayor’s let them eat cake attitude, I’m sure the trains aren’t that crowded when you’re surrounded by guards with guns, and you only have to travel one stop after being delivered to the optimal station by two gas guzzling SUVs. And some of us can’t leave home at 6:00 a.m. to beat the rush—we have families and responsibilities, and no staff to take care of them for us.

As to the transparently bogus asthma risk reduction, this plan brings MORE traffic to the worst affected areas, poor neighborhoods outside the designated zone. And the claim that congestion reduction is the aim is also demonstrably bogus; note that taxis and limos are exempted from the tax, even though they operate almost exclusively in the areas of Manhattan best-served by public transportation—but they cater to the well-off, who cannot be inconvenienced.

I certainly do not support a plan developed by billionaires and millionaires to turn over public roads to the rich as a private benefit. When the mayor gives up a private jet and helicopter, among other polluting luxuries such as multiple huge homes, maybe I'll be ready to listen to his plans for the rest of us. And please note that while NYC taxpayers who support the building and maintenance of these roads will pay this regressive tax, commuters who don’t even pay a commuter tax any more, but use all city services, will get a free ride by deducting bridge and tunnel tolls; the mayor confirmed that New Jersey commuters would be unaffected by his plan. Exactly who is supposed to be representing the already maximally taxed residents of this city, the only ones stuck with both DOT maintenance costs and the full freight of this tax, among our elected representatives?

I would like to suggest several alternatives to congestion pricing:
1. Since traffic only accounts for 20% of the pollution, and the plan (probably optimistically)estimates a 6.3% reduction in traffic, for a grand total of a 1.26% reduction in pollution, why not tackle it all with pollution credits that can be traded, as is done now in Europe for industry. This would give each resident pollution credits, and according to how large an apartment, whether they have a car, etc. they could either use or sell those credits. Since rich people tend to have large (even multiple) homes (again, the mayor even has a private jet and helicopter) while the poor and middle class live in smaller spaces, often without cars, this plan would be far less regressive than the current plan and would not require the invasion of privacy up to 1000 cameras present.
2. Or, for a much simpler, cheaper, non-invasive low-tech solution that could work immediately, why not try enforcing the current traffic laws on double (or often triple) parking, blocking the intersections, taxis picking up and dropping off fares from anywhere on the road, etc.?
3. Any plan for easing congestion should charge a per ride premium (at least the same $8 residents will be charged), to taxis and limos, who are on the streets all day, unlike commuters, adding disproportionately to both congestion and pollution.
4. Rescind parking permits for government workers, who park anywhere (even at fire hydrants, on sidewalks, or in no parking zones) for free--50% of government workers drive to work.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 1:30PM
jackie says:

Julie.. I think I get what you were referencing..FYI Doc.. The worst asthma rates are in low income and communities that have more than their share of polluting facilities (for ex. In Harlem, where there are bus depots; in the South Bronx, where there is a lot of truck traffic, in Queens, where there are a lot of power plants sited) The problem has gotten so much worse over the last decade, in the entire country but especially in New York City. Furthermore, the hospitalization rate for asthma attacks in New York City is twice the national average, and in some areas, like East Harlem, the rate is nine times the national average. The condition afflicts 25 percent of local children:(

Posted On: Saturday, Dec. 8 2007 @ 10:30PM

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