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Etiquette Lesson: The LIRR Cellphone Guy

Posted by Heather Muse at 10:24 AM, April 9, 2008

The antics of those who operate outside of the bounds of societal norms are fab fodder for the tabloids. Whether it's the infamous "Weekend at Bernie's" guys or that cranky Bay Ridge super, sometimes you have to laugh at these curmudgeons and wackjobs despite their bad behavior.

The latest entry into the pantheon of "Did he really do that?" is LIRR commuter John Clifford but it's not entirely clear whether he falls into the category of amusing crank or terrifying asshole. But one thing's for sure: Be careful if you wind up in the same train car as this 60-year-old cop-turned-lawyer. Clifford, like many of us, doesn't like people to disturb his ride by talking on cell phones. If you egregiously start chatting away, he'll yell at you to stop. If you don't start, well then all hell will probably break loose. Clifford was in court yesterday in Manhattan, defending himself against charges of harassment, attempted assault and disorderly conduct stemming from an incident in which Clifford tried to get 19-year-old student Nicholas Bender to stop yapping on his phone. The Post described the incident thusly:

Clifford waved his hand at the kid, snapped his fingers in the kid's face, and started cursing loudly, all agreed.

Clifford really blew a gasket - screaming "F- - -ing faggot!" - when the kid then suggested, comically, that Clifford himself not blow his nose and rustle his newspaper so loudly.

Clifford won his case, despite the judge's admonition that his vigilante style of etiquette justice is inappropriate (not to mention homophobic.) The Post includes some hilarious photos of Clifford smoking his "victory cigar" and Bender shrugging off his loss in court. The best part has to be Clifford's lament that "it's about time we brought some civility back to the Long Island Rail Road." Keep up the good fight, John, but ease up on the hate speech.

And it all begs the question: if cell phones cause this kind of havoc on the LIRR, what's gonna happen when the MTA outfits the subways for cell phone service?

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I get the feeling this tough guy picks his targets carefully. So far he has picked on a 19 year old kid and a small woman. He's 6'4".

I get the feeling that if he ran into someone, say, bigger than the two victims in this case, he'd be quiet as a little impotent mouse.

Posted by: Mongbat at April 9, 2008 5:10 PM

Please let Mongbat know that I don't pick my targets at all. Never have. I didn't choose to walk away either. I had over 300 arrests as a NYC cop and was shot at ten times that I know of. So, Mongbat rethink your feelings.

Posted by: John Clifford at April 10, 2008 8:22 AM

Way to go John! I have seen way too many drunk, obnoxious young men and women directly bother their fellow passengers. Some passengers can't just keep quiet and mind their own business. Heaven forbid they should just sit and read a paper or close their eyes and rest. Nope! They must bother others around them. It is about time someone put them in their palce. Kudos!

Posted by: QM2 - Matt at April 10, 2008 11:01 AM

John, John, When you were a cop the distinction was that you had the power of the state behind you. Now it's just you and the person your annoying. I'd be careful fella. That badge aint there anymore and there is nothing between us now but a little air.

Posted by: jaygatsby at April 10, 2008 11:54 AM

John Clifford, what a small, small little man. Won't anyone play with you at home???

Posted by: TraLaLa at April 10, 2008 12:56 PM

John, you think you're bringing civility to the LIRR by shouting, swearing, and slapping at people? Oh, the irony.

Posted by: Tony Alfodonsio at April 10, 2008 3:23 PM

John, Thank you very much for letting these rude people know that they are wrong for abusing everyone around them. I am not willing to do it myself but I get very angry at these asses. I wish I had you in a bottle that I could crack open on those people and their loud car stereo cousins! Bravo!!!

Posted by: crushtone at April 10, 2008 5:39 PM

Frankly you're ridiculous. Regardless if someone is one their phone or not, it is not against any major city transit rules to use a cell phone. You must do so without unreasonable intrusion of other customers. If the person was too loud, oyu could kindly ask then to keep it down (kindly being the operative word there). Further thinking on the matter as long as they talked at normal volume what is the difference between a cell call and a regular conversation. If anything I've encountered more irritating conversations than any cell phone user, granted I'm in Chicago, but I think its comparable. Regardless of any of that, hitting a woman is terrible behavior- though I wouldn't put it past an ex-cop (fairly typical behavior). And using insulting terms like "faggot"? Seriously? What are you, twelve? I agree many people don't behave appropriately on public transit, but you're not helping! IF anything alert the operator before HITTING someone.

Posted by: John A. at April 13, 2008 1:28 AM

Taking up 5 seats? Blowing his nose loudly? Rustling his newspaper loudly? The nose-blowing and newspaper-rustling are about equivalent to talking on cellphones in their level of disruption, and taking up 5 seats is just unconscionable. It seems that Mr. Clifford's behavior on the train is boorish, intrusive, and highly annoying, but he doesn't care. He only cares when somebody else does it because then it affects his need to be in control.

Posted by: Jeff Adams at April 15, 2008 9:19 AM

This jerk is going to get in the wrong person's face, and he's going to regret acting like a bigger jerk than the ones he's out to silence. The court's decision to take no action against him, is tacit approval of his harassment and borderline lunatic behavior. Clifford needs to reign it in, or he's going to get beaten to a pulp.

Posted by: neil at April 15, 2008 6:55 PM

He misses the power of being in the police, so he takes it out on people who won't stand up to him.

Ignore their conversations or have one yourself. It's never been illegal to talk to someone while on the train.

He'll eventually step enough over the line that he'll be charged. It's inevitable.

Posted by: dd at April 24, 2008 11:38 AM

I can't wait to run into this guy

Posted by: at May 4, 2008 10:03 AM

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