Bravo! Spread this like wildfire.
inb4 Terry Olsen

Posted by: anon at April 21, 2008 10:57 AM

This is a fascinatingly detailed interview. I found the section in which Beghe dealt with the sense of regret over having invested so much time, money and energy into what he now calls "a con" to be deeply moving.

It also sheds light on how seemingly rational, well-meaning people can convince themselves and the authority figures in their lives (in this case "auditors" and other higher ups) that they have had great successes as a result of the things the authorities are selling them.

They're too financially and emotionally invested in speaking the truth.

It made me feel very very sad for people caught in this trap.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 21, 2008 11:01 AM

Fabulous stuff.

Finally an intelligent person speaking about Scientology in an intelligent manner.

At one point, he made an analogy to domestic abuse. The now deceased, ex-Scientologist and critic Robert Vaughn Young drew the same parallel.

I can see how it starts the same--you start out on cloud nine with the most wonderful process/person in the world for you (the fit seems so perfect) and when one day you wake up and realize that it has all been a lie, the "information" can be impossible to assimilate. PTSD.

Which is why so many people would rather stay in and go crazy rather than go through the pain of getting out. Jason is fortunate in that he has money and friends and family outside Scientology that he can go to, but many "in" -- especially those in the Sea Org have no money and no human relations outside Scientology. Much like the women of the FDLS compound.

Posted by: Anonydog at April 21, 2008 12:02 PM

Digg this Fucking Shit. The Scilons are burying it down & trying to hide it hard & fast. They are seriously shitting bricks this time.

Posted by: Freddy at April 21, 2008 12:16 PM

It so chilling and evil that the cult of scientology is trying to hide thing by yanking exposure (they don't care who they hurt). The criminal syndicates actions prove that this realy is a criminal business organization and NO church. Lawmakers need to know that the cover-up is over and this tax-exempt fraud must be stopped and criminals jailed.

Posted by: JH at April 21, 2008 12:19 PM

I'm having problems with the sound. Anybody else? It's not my sound card or codecs.

Posted by: moronymous at April 21, 2008 12:22 PM

Thank you Jason Beghe and Mark Bunker for this fascinating, honest and at times disturbing insight into what life is really like inside the intensely secretive Church of Scientology. Hearing this story really helps me to understand how normal people get sucked in and exploited by the organization, even to the point where it is destroying their lives. I am glad that Jason got out with his mind intact and his family together. And thank you Tony Ortega for your great reports on this subject.

Posted by: Steven at April 21, 2008 12:34 PM

God Bless Jason Beghe! What a mature man for sharing his experiences in Scientology. He's very intelligent. He is well versed in the Scientology lexicon and yet able to explain it to the no- member. He will become a champion in exposing every form of historical/societal control. My question is; "Do you think this will help Catholics cult members awaken also?"

Posted by: RonR at April 21, 2008 12:38 PM

I also cannot hear it all. IF you close your link and try it again in 5 minutes it should work. Having been in SCN until 2001 when I just stopped all communications I can atttest to alot of this being true.

Posted by: Stefan at April 21, 2008 1:06 PM

WIN.

Posted by: win at April 21, 2008 1:12 PM

thank god Free Speech is alive and well at the Village Voice.

Posted by: ball at April 21, 2008 1:13 PM

Apparently the Right sound channel is used for Jason and the Left for Mark (the interviewer). So if the sound is only coming from one speaker, that's why.

Odd production decision, but he's the Emmy winner, not me.

Posted by: AnonYmous at April 21, 2008 1:13 PM

The weird sound editing is to make it easier for TV people to use this material, its better to get the mono sound if you will be mixing music or something over the top of this...

Posted by: IceAnon at April 21, 2008 2:08 PM

Kudos to Jason, Bunker at XenuTV.com, Tory (Magoo / Bezazian)Christman and Andreas at Xenu.net

On one of first couple of tapes, Jason mentions his wife losing her close friend, actress Keli Daniels, who took it very hard when the Beghe's left Scientology.
I can see why Keli was upset, and rightfully so. That was disconnection policy in action folks.

I new Keli Daniels and her husband Paul Landry years ago when I was member and you couldn't meet a nicer and more down to earth couple. I hope she's as level headed as she once was and will get up the courage to see this interview. Better yet, Keli Daniels, please call your friend Angie Beghe. Even LRH gives you permission when he wrote: "Never permit your affinity to be alloyed"

FYI, Keli is a cutie and a good actress. Here is some info on her.
Voice Overs: http://tinyurl.com/4dzdsk
Acting Resume: http://tinyurl.com/5x9f3w

I hope she gets this message, calls Angie and and stops letting Scientology's policy dictate who her friends can be or should be.

Thanks also to Tony Ortega and The Village Voice staff.

Posted by: Mary at April 21, 2008 2:44 PM

Wow. Jason is just so open, so vulnerable, so straightforward, and blunt. He is absolutely credible, and really helps us all understand the quicksand that traps people. It looks like a nice sandy place to lie down and meditate, improve yourself, but it's quicksand that sucks people in and won't let them go.

It's just very, very sad, but inspiring that he's speaking out about those nagging inconsistencies that woke him up. I bet he'll validate lots and lots of others who have those same thoughts and realizations, and they will find the courage to leave. Take care, people. We're rooting for you.

Posted by: Janie at April 21, 2008 3:08 PM

Bravo! It's about time this evil cult is getting pulled into the light of day for all to see.

Posted by: Jack at April 21, 2008 3:35 PM

David Miscaviges' head just exploded. Really, his tiny, angry little head just exploded.

Posted by: Artoo45 at April 21, 2008 4:50 PM

Great deal! Everyone should copy this video and plaster ScrewedTube (YouTube) with it.

BTW, where is our pet Scifag OSA loser Terryeo? Won't they make him wear ashes, go without food and clean toilets with his tongue again for missing an opportunity like this?

Posted by: Centurian 10 at April 21, 2008 5:30 PM

Scientology with its many front operations is a vicious cult and a ruthless multinational criminal enterprise. It has harmed many, many people. Why do you think it has been thrown out of (or is in the process of being thrown out of) so many countries? Civilized countries like Germany, Belgium, France, Italy, Greece, Norway, etc. It's a dirty and dangerous criminal racket that has made a few people fabulously wealthy, driven others to suicide (most recently the 20 year old daughter of a Norwegian MP, who killed herself a few hours after taking a Scientology "personality test," that she had "failed"), and driven others insane. It needs to be destroyed.

Posted by: Janey at April 21, 2008 5:50 PM

It's good to see that someone is willing to post these. It's a shame that youtube has completely buckled to special interest groups in terms of trying to silence Bunker, especially when you realize the obvious that more than half the material on youtube is copywrite infringing stuff.

So good on you Village Voice, for stepping up to the plate and covering this, hopefully others in the media will follow suit.

Posted by: h20 at April 21, 2008 6:00 PM

That poor man. So very deceived. Scientology is the sickest thing I have ever seen. Right up there with Nazi-ism. If our government continues to do NOTHING about it.....I am leaving this country.

Posted by: Judimus at April 21, 2008 6:06 PM

i am in awe of his cojones

Posted by: at April 21, 2008 7:44 PM

A Scientologist responds:

Even though Jason speaks the language and has undoubtedly rubbed shoulders with the top Scientologists, there are just a few inversions-inconsistencies within his own story:

Why was Jason upset that his son was "kicked out" of a "Scientology school" AFTER he left Scientology? If he left Scientology because out of concern for his own sanity and well-being, what then about the well being of his 4 year old child? One would think that this parent would have removed his son from the perceived dangers prior to himself disconnecting. It's not logical.

When Jason talks about Hubbard's disagreement with psychiatry and CCHR's role, he says that no info. is ever provided about "psychiatry's side". However, CCHR's primary function involves compiling enormous amounts of documented information for the general public.
Throughout the basic books of Scientology, Hubbard goes to great pains in describing and differentiating the approaches of Wundt, Pavlov, Freud, Jung, Adler and others. Beyond simply "railing" against that field, Hubbard repeatedly provides conceptual and technical explanations as to the workabilities and unworkabilities of various approaches to mental therapy throughout history.

Anyone, including Jason Beghe, can read the basic books of Scientology for extensive dissection about what makes people more able and what doesn't. The subjects of hypnosis and brainwashing are addressed at great length-- as well as how to reverse the effects of such practices.

Check the CCHR website or even yet, as an alternative, consult the works of Dr. Thomas Szasz (a non-Scientologist) instead.

How could an NYC born & raised, street savvy, no-BS, practical minded guy like Beghe spend so many years in Scientology before finally realizing it was making him worse off? In all that time, through all those levels, did he NEVER experience a win or a gain? And now everyone, Scientologist or not, is just supposed to believe his rant? How masochistic is that? How victim is that? Mr. Integrity-- NOT.

I know that he attempts to address his experience and the years, but I just don't buy it. I will acknowledge that he's a pretty good actor. Whether you are a Scientologist or not, you can't not come away from this without at least considering that Jason Beghe has some interesting personal integrity issues. C'mon, 14 years in Scientology! I'll admit to being excited about Amway for about a week, and I'm not even a street-wise New York born Hollywood professional. Perhaps there's more to Scientology than Jason Beghe's spin zone tale of woe.

The general public has known Tom Cruise for awhile, but Jason Beghe as never been nor will probably ever be a household name. If he'd suffered any other misfortune, it wouldn't be a story worth the media's attention. He's not as cute as Lindsay Lohan, so a DUI wouldn't spark his publicity. He's no Mel Gibson, so an anti-Semetic rant would probably go unnoticed. One way or another, Jason Beghe's success is rolling along because of in spite of Scientology. Either way...

Speaking of the "other side of the story", Scientology has one. Many Scientologists, who Beghe STILL credits as "good people", have plenty to say in support of Scientology and in their own ability to be individuals.

Beghe talks Scientology savvy but he doesn't speak for Scientologists, plus he reverses key Scientology fundamentals for his own dramatic effects. His complete story must be a real doozy.

A truly compassionate humanitarian like L.Ron Hubbard would probably say have something like this to say about Jason Beghe: "He'll get it all sorted out on up the line."

To Beghe, I say: "You can't handle the truth!"

Posted by: Sec at April 21, 2008 7:54 PM

WOW! Not only a stunning and gripping interview, but also so many profound and thorough comments!! Kudos to all of you and God bless!

Posted by: Jules at April 21, 2008 8:17 PM

I see in Jason disillusionment, resentment, regret.....but also hope for the future. Jason, thank you for sharing your story; I hope you find the answers you’re looking for, and I wish for you nothing but blessings and happiness.

Posted by: Sherry at April 21, 2008 8:19 PM

There but for the grace of God might have gone I, in my younger and more vulnerable years.

I think it's just terrific that this man has shared his wrenching personal experiences and find it hard to believe that Scientology has managed to silence so many for so long. But thanks to this interview, I see how they manage to do it. Well, may this be the beginning of the end for the cultists who have hounded people into silence and isolation. May each and every "celebrity" who continues to shill for Scientology be called to task for what they may be leading others into.

Thank you for having the guts to link this interview by the man who had the guts to give it to the man who had the guts to film it and post it. May everyone with guts stay safe and out of harm's way.

Posted by: The Truth at April 21, 2008 9:46 PM

VV: Excellent reporting on the Beghe-Scientology story.

For more on Scientology, visit:

http://xenu.net, also my blog's large Scientology section:
http://theframeproblem.wordpress.com/category/scientology

Posted by: L. Ron Brown at April 21, 2008 9:49 PM

"it makes me feel baaad"
all gravel
this guy's great
put this motherfucker on a cop show
after he comes out of hiding, i mean.
could somebody PLEASE ask beghe if anybody talked about the l.ron connection to the infamous JACK PARSONS, occult rocket scientist at the jpl?
i'd love to hear about that...

Posted by: m. cameron at April 21, 2008 10:12 PM

I just became a HUGE fan of Jason Beghe's!

I will in future watch, buy and rent every movie or TV show that he will appear in (I forsee a mega movie deal in his future now that his brains aren't scrambled like Thetan Clusters!!) and I'm going to start with his classic Monkey Shines.

Thank-you Jason for speaking out so unreservedly and honestly about your experiences in the Co$.

Posted by: Sunny at April 21, 2008 10:59 PM

All I can say is after watching this is,
if you know someone in Scientology tell them not to drink the Kool-Aid !

Posted by: randomx at April 22, 2008 12:50 AM

beautifully put. an amazing interview with sincere insight. his honesty and genuine personality comes across. ty for this inght Jason. bravo!

Posted by: anonfreedomintruth at April 22, 2008 1:17 AM

To: "A Scientologist Responds."

After reading your comment, it seems clear to me that you did not watch the entire interview. Please do, I think it will clear up some of the missing DATA for you.

It is a shame that you, as a "scientologist" were unable to put this in perspective.

As an outsider, I find it interesting that any Scientologist would feel the need to attack Jason after seeing this series of videos. He said what he felt, and that is far more powerful than any "church" propaganda that you spew out to the masses.

Why is it that Jason should not disseminate THE TRUTH about your "church", whereas the Scientologists can say whatever they want about this man who stayed loyal as long as he was brainwashed to do so.

Being a human in the real world gives you psychic abilities, and I predict a shortened life for the Church of Scientology, thanks to people like Jason Beghe, who will keep children and other people from being sucked into the vacuum that is the Church of Scientology.

My wish is that all Scientologists be honest with themselves. No more justification! The truth is there, should you choose to acknowledge it.
Scientology DOESN'T WORK!
AC2

Posted by: AC2 at April 22, 2008 1:34 AM

Sec,

I guess you had to try given crashing stats 'n all, but we all know about the Co$'s policy of "handling" negative criticism by smearing the critic. How do we know? Becoz we read the internets and find out for ourselves. Um, that's how real TOTAL FREEDOM works.

Unlike LRH tech, which doesn't.

Pro-tip: If Jason is upset because his wee son was kicked out of his day-care and lost his friends at a time when the family was busy with a new babe and in the process of moving, I don't think there are any of us Wogs who are going to fault him for that. Though we may fault you for accusing him of lying when he's expressing the concerns of any normal loving parent.

And, since Jason didn't seem to know so perhaps you don't either, Wogs everywhere will tell you that Tom Cruise, in that leaked in-house video, LOOKS AND ACTS INSANE. Scientology's Ideal? Now that is scary.

Posted by: I See Wut U Did Thar at April 22, 2008 2:47 AM

Dear Sec,
I hope you can see that Jason deeply respects most Scientologists. I respond in that spirit.

1. Q: Why was Jason upset that his son was "kicked out" of a "Scientology school" AFTER he left Scientology? A: Because his little boy lost all his friends (who presumably, aged 4, weren’t driving him insane) at once. His son was sad and lost. Of course Dad was upset.

2. “Psychiatry’s side” - By that, Jason meant “what will psychiatry argue against the CCHR data?” He wanted to be prepared to put CCHR’s case against the best arguments psychiatry could put up to counter it. But no one in CCHR could articulate psychiatry’s arguments.

3. Jason told about his first and most significant win on day 1. He also said that he had many wins in the early years. He was honest about that – and honest about the fact that he’s struggling to explain fully how he could have “bought” the con for so long. It’s not hard for many of us to understand when we compare Jason’s experience to that of anyone who has stayed in an abusive relationship for too long. The person is usually in denial – trying to hold onto their image of the other person and the relationship even though the facts have begun to show that person/relationship doesn’t or no longer exists. The human mind has incredible capacity to lie to self. I do accept that this is evidence of a lack of integrity, but only in the sense that no one has 100% integration of thoughts, beliefs, values and actions. We’re all a little dis-integrated. The more dis-integrated, the less sane we are. But the sanest among us have the capacity, often hard won, to see our own internal inconsistencies and to be moving toward integration.

So, actually, I see Jason has a man of great (and growing) personal integrity and that, ultimately, is why he couldn’t keep holding onto the beliefs when the facts showed him those beliefs were false. Some people can never screw up the courage to face that reality. To me, this ‘journey’ – to use the cliché – toward personal integrity is the essence of spirituality.

4. Jason doesn't suggest that he speaks for Scientologists; only for himself.

5. You say to Jason, "You can't handle the truth!" Obviously, I saw in those videos a man who is willing to confront his own mistakes and, as he put it, “stupidity” – and to admit to the world his own complicity in fooling himself. I guess I’d ask you, in the quietness of your soul, whether you are able and willing to consider the possibility that you, too, are fooling yourself that all is okay when reality says otherwise.

I wish you peace.

Posted by: Plups at April 22, 2008 3:34 AM

Haha folks look at that last line from "Sec" up above.

Even after all the pain Jason Beghe has gone through, he thinks that "just a little more! (money and time)" is the answer.

The answers are not there, it's a sham, it is a fraud, it is a lie. That kind of thinking is exactly what people end up like. They trap THEMSELVES in the cult thinking "oh maybe if I just do THIS it will get better" but it never does.

I see that same kind of thinking when reading accounts from battered women. They think that "oh maybe tomorrow it will get better" but it never does.

Wake up, people still in scientology, and see this charade for what it is.

Posted by: Jefferson B. Clark at April 22, 2008 3:45 AM

@Sec

Wow, I'm not really sure where to begin with your post, besides pointing out the obvious fallacies and lies in it. First of all, Jason was very clear that he DID experience wins. The greatest, according to him, was on the first day, before he got into Scientology proper. And, as he stated, the wins got fewer and not as impressive as he went up the bridge. The fact that you don't acknowledge this only proves that you did not take the time to listen, REALLY listen and understand what Jason said.

Quoting you: "And now everyone, Scientologist or not, is just supposed to believe his rant? How masochistic is that? How victim is that?"
Yes, as a matter of fact. We should believe him, and you as well. For his story is corroborated by many, many ex-scientologists; because scientologists who are currently "in" and have achieved a level to understand what Jason is talking about, are taught to tell "acceptable truths" (lies or cleverly worded half-truths) to the public to make it seem like his experiences are not the norm. And, by the way - you're not applying Hubbard tech correctly. If it's true for Jason, it's true for Jason, am I right? Of course, that little gem is discarded by Scientology proper whenever convenient.
"Mr. Integrity - Not"? Then I suppose the whole of Scientology lacks integrity. This man was your organization's poster boy for years. Deny it all you want; the data is there.

You spew a lot of impressive-sounding rhetoric about how L. Ron studied and accumulated psychiatric and psychological techniques. This should be no surprise to anyone, for he stole the bulk of his Dianetics and many Scientology "techs" straight from other psychologists! Interestingly enough, you say that L. Ron expounded upon "the workabilities and unworkabilities" of psychology. Unfortunately, no data is presented by Mr. L. Ron, or the data was fabricated. You know this and I know this. L. Ron was a smart man but also a pathological liar.

"I know that he attempts to address his experience and the years, but I just don't buy it."
On what basis? Please, you can cover your ears all you want but the truth is out there. And Jason is speaking it.

"Whether you are a Scientologist or not, you can't not come away from this without at least considering that Jason Beghe has some interesting personal integrity issues."
I fully agree - this man's integrity is impeccable and he has balls of steel! You are quite correct and these traits are quite remarkable.

"Perhaps there's more to Scientology than Jason Beghe's spin zone tale of woe."
Oh yes. Much, much more. And unfortunately, the rest of it is worse.

To those Scientologists who are reading this - wake up and come up to present time. Doubt condition is the first step to the truth. Walk into the light. You needn't be afraid of the theta traps that have been laid before you. All you need to do is to take the first step.

Anonymous invites you to rejoin the world.

We are legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us, for we will expect you.

Posted by: an anon at April 22, 2008 3:58 AM

Leave Scientology AAAALLLLLONNNNE !!!(sob)

Posted by: chris crocker at April 22, 2008 4:36 AM

As a Scientologist for 34 years I can speak directly to the other side of this story. I've continued studying and applying Scientology because it works. It is a very difficult path that requires significant self-discipline and commitment. The results in bettering one's life and the lives' of one's fellows are tremendous. It is a highly structured sequence of steps and to me the key has always been ensuring I fully grasped the step before moving on to the next.
I've seen too many Scientologists try to take shortcuts, skimming over important materials and moving on without the correct foundations. Their results have been poor, often with the conclusion that "it doesn't work".
I've also seen many Scientologists mis-apply the techniques and policies to their own detriment and the detriment of others. I look at this as zealotry, not a good operating basis for anyone in any activity. It is the job of each and every Scientologist to maintain their own integrity and refuse to agree with actions they deem wrong, whether inside their own church or in the secular world.

Posted by: Merrill at April 22, 2008 9:51 AM

this is amazing! I am glad that this has come out and spread light on what seems to turly be an evil phenomenon

Posted by: Joiswe at April 22, 2008 10:03 AM

BRAVO - speak out Jason.

Shame on John Travolta, Kelly Preston, Kirstie Ally, Tom Cruise, Lisa Marie and Priscilla Presley, The Masterson brothers and Beck.

Shame on all of you for being so full of yourself and easily duped.

Shame on you for being treated as special elites in your Celebrity Center.

Shame on you for leading others into a cult.

PRAISE to Jason Beghe for being man enough to step out and not being afraid of ridicule or retaliation from the Scientologists (a real concern).

Hopefully his friends, family and police can keep him safe.

Posted by: RJP3 at April 22, 2008 10:22 AM

sec.. i'm pretty certain that it is infact you who cant handle the truth..... seeing one of your idols waking up and realising he's been conned... then writing an essay to discredit him...with possibly some of the most feeble points ever... shiiit.... wake up..

Posted by: non at April 22, 2008 10:27 AM

In the 90's I read Jason Beghe's first interview in Scientology's Celebrity Magazine. Lots of progress and lots of big wins-- according to Beghe.

A few years later, I saw a video of Jason sharing his successes from a high level set of processes called the "L's". Again, Beghe was very enthusiastic about his many gains. He was very much just being himself at that time too. Nobody else was speaking for him.

Again, there's an integrity issue here.

Just keeping it real.

Posted by: SEC at April 22, 2008 12:29 PM

Re: domestic abuse:

Many people who study cults (such as rick ross) refer to abusive domestic relationships as "one on one cults" precisly because the systems of control are so similar. There are even a few books written on the comparison.

Posted by: psyborgue at April 22, 2008 1:01 PM

Merrill: I'd believe your comments more if you didn't cut and paste the same commentary here:

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1401119.php/OT_V_Jason_Beghes_full_interview_Scientology_scams_exposed_

It shows very well that you didn't bother reading any of the comments made in either place. Did you even bother watching the videos?

SEC:

Jason actually makes reference to making the videos you mention in the interviews and how he wasn't really all that happy but he put on the face for the videos (he is an actor after all). He addressed all that in the videos, did you even watch them?

Posted by: User Name at April 22, 2008 1:16 PM

I really hope Scientologists get to see this. If that dosent wake you up, bad news for you- youre too far gone. Its really cool to see how he's not really pro-anything be it anonymous, or (hahahah) Phyciatry, and is hesitant to talk about stuff he does not know. Unlike some other people i can think if (History of phyciatry anyone? how about who the authorityes on the mind are?)

Posted by: Anonisanon at April 22, 2008 1:19 PM

@sec
"In the 90's I read Jason Beghe's first interview in Scientology's Celebrity Magazine. Lots of progress and lots of big wins-- according to Beghe."

He said IN THE VIDEOS if you watched any of them. He said his first couple years in scientology were great, his last 8 or so years were hell.

Posted by: alright at April 22, 2008 1:22 PM

SEC - Doubt it not a crime. Questioning is not treason.

Come up to present time.

Posted by: Lala Dipsy and Poe at April 22, 2008 2:04 PM

Sec, lets face it, there is no reasoning with someone on autopilot, and you are on autopilot. It's your job to post here and 'dead agent' the heartfelt and convincing interview statements Beghe made. You don't have to courage to watch and listen to the complete interview. If you had, you would understand why Beghe's no longer willing to go along with the con game we all were deceived by, yourself included. As long as you are afraid to think for yourself, and evaluate the information on both sides of this issue, you are going to be at the mercy of fear. THAT is not what integrity and your code of honor is about. If you paid over 1 million dollars or even just 100 dollars to scientology for what was supposed to be the best of services life can provide for the spirit and got more and more messed up as time and sessions went by ( as has happened to many ) you would probably be willing to see that there is something so wrong with the picture that there is a possibility that it was all based upon lies. Most likely you are a poor staff member, deprived of proper food and shelter, family ties, the basic enjoyments of life given up in exchange for what Beghe describes ( and I have observed )as a selfless life of helping where group entrapment and compliance is the product. You didn't come into scientology to become what you have been made into. None of us did. Your integrity begins with your essential right to think for yourself and Scientologists are conditioned to discard that right. Listen to the video interview in full. be willing to consider what he's saying by taking off the blinders. It was a relieve for me after 18 years to finally think for myself and do what was right as opposed to what scientology dictated I should think. There are more former scientologists out in the 'wog world' than there are in scientology and there is a reason for that. Stop being afraid to think for yourself.

Posted by: Mary at April 22, 2008 2:05 PM

so, sec.

which is it? is he lying now or was he lying then? you need to wrap your head around one concept: scientologists LIE, especially when they are trying to prove to people how well scientology WORKS.

i dare you, DARE you, to submit your "science" to a completely impartial third-party investigation. if it were all proven to be bullshit (some of it has been, just flip over that e-meter at your next audit) would that make you open your eyes? sure, from within, the wins look like HUGE SUCCESSES...but from outside, it is painfully obvious that you're celebrating the equivalent of a free-thinker learning to tie his/her shoes. i mean, sitting down, eyes closed, and becoming aware of yourself? come on. that can be done for free.

besides, even if scientology gives some adherents "wins"...how can you justify all the crimes the "church" has comitted over the years? you name it, theyve done it...extortion, assault, treason, espionage..fuck, even pet-killing.

open your eyes, sec. WATCH the video in its entirety. free yourself.

Posted by: WHICHISIT at April 22, 2008 3:05 PM

Beghe speaks for himself.

Whether he was lying then or lying now is actually anyone's guess, no matter what side you're on. Anyone can believe anything or anyone they decide to.

If you're against Scientology, Beghe can now be YOUR hero. When in Scientology, he was preaching to the crowd. So now he's preaching to the opposite crowd. He's good at that.

Probably qualifies him to run for president in 2012. Truth and integrity are minor considerations in politics too. Most of you could vote for him with a clear conscience I'm sure-- and nothing would change in that area either as a result.

Believe Jason Beghe, only if and because he suits YOUR agenda. That's easy.

Obviously I'm not preaching to the crowd here. That would be easy too. I still have a point of view, and don't need anyone's license to survive in or out of Scientology.

So what?

Posted by: SEC at April 22, 2008 5:11 PM

Can he say one &%#£%! sentence without using the %&#"£! F-word? The parts of the inteview I have seen so far appear as just bad acting to me. Hollywood drama. If you use the F-word you get people nowadays to listen. They mistake cussing for sincerity. And if it isn't acting - so what if he "escaped" the cult? You don't lead people to Jesus by complaining about some cult you were dumb enough to enter, and then using foul language that nobody(?) can bear listen to (if they're hooked up right).

Posted by: Matt at April 22, 2008 6:09 PM

Sec you do realize most of us who are vaguely familliar with the methods scientologists use to discredit those who dissent online recognize everything you are saying as coming directly out of the scientologist playbook... I would like to hear what YOU think not some constantly regurgitated crap...

Posted by: gah at April 22, 2008 6:14 PM

Sec you do realize most of us who are vaguely familliar with the methods scientologists use to discredit those who dissent online recognize everything you are saying as coming directly out of the scientologist playbook... I would like to hear what YOU think not some constantly regurgitated crap...

Posted by: gah at April 22, 2008 6:15 PM

open your eyes, sec.

just admit to yourself that you've made a mistake. that's the first step to being truly free from this cult. if you can accept that fact, you can get help...there are people that want to help you.

fuck their stats. why should you sacrifice your ability to think critically, make up your own mind, in the interests of defending a cult that would turn on you in an instant? you must know that, i mean...look at what youre being made to do right now.

think, sec. just sit back, for five minutes, and THINK.

Posted by: just so you know at April 22, 2008 6:19 PM

Sec, you're in a cult. We all know you're in a cult. There's no point in even arguing that it's not a cult. It's a cult. Problem is, you've been so well brainwashed you don't even recognize it. That's what the best cults do.

THAT should make you think. That and the fact that if you hear about the Xenu story before you're at the right OT level, YOU WILL DIE. That's what Hubbard said, right? Do you believe it? Sec? Sec?

Dear god, SEC IS DEAD!

Posted by: Siriusly at April 22, 2008 6:41 PM

ALLOW SCIENTOLOGISTS to voice their viewpoints no matter how ridiculous or defensive or protective or biased they may seem to you.

When you are in "the bubble", like I was for 19 yrs., you can't be convinced. You have to realize first you are in a bubble. You have to be having "doubt itchings" like Jason implied.

These criticisms (like Jason's) cause Scientologists pain, a lot of pain, and their intent is to get rid of the pain by DESPERATELY looking for "outnesses" or things that they can hold on to that allows them to invalidate the whole criticism. If they can find ONE, just one perceived "outness", then it allows them to put down the rest and not have to confront them (remember the cognition Jason had that in doubt you look for data to counter the doubt?)

The source of the pain is not Jason, it is the "ridge" that is there in very many a Scientologist, their strong resistance to the incoming put down of THE ONLY THING that keeps them stable and feeling they are valuable. Without Scientology they are lost.

Please understand that, to someone who has become a Scientologist, Scientology being a fraud or having any major flaws would be equal to lifelong Chritians being given evidence that Jesus never existed or that he was caught lying or making things up a few times.

Let's not rub it in or attack them or ridicule them. When it was done to me while a Scientologist it just drove me further into it and made the bubble stronger. I did not want to, and, much more significant, could not acknowledge to myself the things that I perceived were very wrong with Scientology. It took a twist of fate to unbecome a Scientologist, blindly following Ron's and the Church's "absolutely correct" viewpoints and start being in contact with ME and regaining my own viewpoints and the freedom to have them.

Let's apply what Scientology or souls who have become Scientologits cannot because of the limits constructed into that identity: GREATNESS which although it is preached in Scientology and never applied has as one of its meanings: To be able to maintain being loving and behaving decently and respectful towards anyone despitehis/her invitations to attack or ridicule or put down him/her.

Allow them to have the space to think for themselves, to question, to have a viewpoint.

Let's not be like Scientology imposing our viewpoints as THE only viewpoints that can be had or attacking the contrary viewpoint of another or others.

Posted by: Luis at April 22, 2008 6:46 PM

Right on Jason!

I bought into some crazy stuff several times in my life and I can attest to the minds ability to justify the insane. I mean come on, read the history of men like LRH and Latter Day Saint founder Joseph Smith and really ponder how someone could possibly buy it. I guess thats just being human.

Don't fret brother! If your ever in doubt about your decisions to leave Scientology just sit down for a nice talk with David and relish your return to a normal existence.

Peace,

Posted by: Scott at April 22, 2008 9:32 PM

I did post my same comments on a second web site. Why does that make them any less valid?

Posted by: Merrill at April 22, 2008 11:41 PM

Let the fight for our rights begin.

Step 1: bring XenuTV back to YouTube
Step 2: Spread the news
Step 3: ???
Step 4: PROFIT

Posted by: anonymous at April 22, 2008 11:46 PM

I left at Scientology-clone cult about 4 years ago at OT 3. Congratulations and enjoy! to Jason on the prospect of rediscovering himself. Something that really explained things to me was the 8 methods of thought reform identified by Robert Lifton. Scientology uses these in spades.

1.Milieu control
All communication with outside world is limited, either being strictly filtered or completely cut off. Whether it is a monastery or a behind-closed-doors cult, isolation from the ideas, examples and distractions of the outside world turns the individual’s attention to the only remaining form of stimulation, which is the ideology that is being inculcated in them.
This even works at the intrapersonal level and individuals are discouraged from thinking incorrect thoughts, which may be termed evil, selfish, immoral and so on.
2.Mystical manipulation
A part of the teaching is that the group has a higher purpose than others outside the group. This may be altruistic, such as saving the world or helping people in need. It may also be selfish, for example that group members will be saved when others outside the group will perish.
3.Confession
Individuals are encouraged to confess past 'sins' (as defined by the group – for example, out ethics). Discussion of inner fears and anxieties, as well as confessing sins is exposing vulnerabilities and requires the person to place trust in the group and hence bond with them. When we bond with others, they become our friends, and we will tend to adopt their beliefs more easily.
This effect may be exaggerated with intense sessions where deep thoughts and feelings are regularly surfaced. This also has the effect of exhausting people, making them more open to suggestion (e.g., two hours of TR 0???).
4.Self-sanctification through purity
Individuals are encouraged to constantly push towards an ultimate and unattainable perfection (OT 8). This may be rewarded with promotion within the group to higher levels, for example by giving them a new status name (clear, OT, etc.) or by giving them new authority within the group.
5.Aura of sacred science
The beliefs and regulations of the group are framed as perfect, absolute and non-negotiable. The dogma of the group is presented as scientifically correct or otherwise unquestionable.
Rules and processes are therefore to be followed without question, and any transgression is a sin and hence requires atonement or other forms of punishment, as does consideration of any alternative viewpoints.
6.Loaded language
New words and language are created to explain the new and profound meanings that have been discovered. Existing words are also hijacked and given new and different meaning.
The consequence of this is that the person who controls the meaning of words also controls how people think. The meaning of special words may also be revealed in careful illuminatory rituals, where people who are being elevated within the order are given the power of understanding this new language.
7.Doctrine over person
The importance of the group’s ideas is elevated over the importance of the individual, personal beliefs and values in all ways. Past experiences, beliefs and values can all thus be cast as being invalid if they conflict with group rules. In fact this conflict can be used as a reason for confession of sins. Likewise, the beliefs, values and words of those outside the group are equally invalid.
8.Dispensed existence
There is a very sharp line between the group and the outside world. Insiders are to be saved and elevated, whilst outsiders are doomed to failure and loss (which may be eternal).
Who is an outsider or insider is chosen by the group. Thus, any person within the group may be damned at any time. There are no rights of membership except, perhaps, for the leader.
People who leave the group are singled out as particularly evil, weak, lost or otherwise to be despised or pitied. Rather than being ignored or hidden, they are used as examples of how anyone who leaves will be looked down upon and publicly denigrated.
People thus have a constant fear of being cast out, and consequently work hard to be accepted and not ejected from the group. Outsiders who try to persuade the person to leave are doubly feared.

Posted by: fornever84 at April 23, 2008 12:03 AM

I feel bad for Sec. He is in a cult and cannot see for he is blinded to what is reality and what is this fantasy world that he has built in his mind.
With that being said...the Jason Beghe interview rocked! I know some great good is going to come of this..and hopefully will pave the way for these people that are stuck in the bubble to break free. Good job Jason!

Posted by: flower at April 23, 2008 1:36 AM

Mr. Beghe,
I don't know if you drink beer, but if we ever meet, you got a free one on me. If alcohol is not to your sensibilities, I'll make it an O.J. or whatever the fuck you want. I hope you reach people. The only thing people should be "clear" of is being controlled by others. You quoted Socrates, "know thyself". It's insidious how groups like this manipulate that very desire into the furthest thing from that very mission. Good luck, bro. I hope you have peace and prosperity in your future.

Posted by: Mo at April 23, 2008 3:20 AM

I'm so grateful to Jason for speaking his truth, and have no doubt it will help many. It certainly inspired me. People will be encouraged to follow the nudging within their own hearts, and it is this kind of inner knowing that topples the stronghold of cults and corrupt governments. Yes it takes time, but bit by bit, the dominoes fall...

Posted by: JessicaLou at April 23, 2008 3:53 AM

"I did post my same comments on a second web site. Why does that make them any less valid?

Posted by: Merrill at April 22, 2008 11:41 PM"

Because it indicates that you haven't read any of the comments. The actual text of your comment, tbh, indicates that you haven't watched the full interview at all. Before you copy-paste comments, do yourself a favor and watch what you're commenting on.

Posted by: at April 23, 2008 6:42 AM

I have been a scientologist for 20 years and have run into some of the frustrations that Jason talks about. Occasionally I have indeed asked myself just W.T.F. is going on as Jason mentioned quite often. I would have been very interested in the interviewer asking Jason what are the good points about scientology and what if any positive gains or wins he had and still has ? I think Jay is pissed mainly about the Benjamins which I'm sure he is addressing. In my case I am not brainwashed, have invested a good chunk of money over the years and have gotten services for what I paid. Not always to what extent I guessed it would be but in hindsight I am better off today overall because of scientology than without it. Have I seen improvements in tech over the years...you bet ! That is a good thing. I would tell anyone that scientology will benefit everyone but is not for everyone. If you are reading this and of an open mind go to your local library and grab a dianetics book and make your own decision. Scientology helped me get off of the drugs (like Jason) I had been dabbling with. It helped me get my ethics in and gave me the roadmap for a happy and successful life. I am happily married to a non-scientologist for 17 years and am successfully self-employed. I do attribute my good fortune to scientology. Finally, if you have ever done any type of drugs do yourself and all aroung you a favour and take a look at the book Clear Body Clear Mind. It will tell you the long term effects of drugs and what you can do to rid the body of them. If you could only do one thing and no more in scientology do the "Purif".

Posted by: Brooke at April 23, 2008 4:56 PM

dianetics is a convoluted mishmash of psych theories hijacked by lrh for his own purposes...he repackaged them as "self-help" and then further repackaged them as what equates to the "bible" of scientology.

dianetics is an extremely painful read...run-on sentences, racism and grandiose and unconfirmed accounts aside. i recommend boring out ones eyes with a power drill as an alternative.

Posted by: cough at April 23, 2008 6:41 PM

Merill, come on, at least don't use the OSA form letter! I've seen the same comment, verbatim in at least five other comment strings talking about the Beghe videos all over the net. At least Sec had a new (and verrrrry long) script from the OSA goons. They don't let you watch the whole thing, do they? I'm sure they don't, cause the seed of doubt would have to be laid. I know the drill. It's very much like when I gave up magical thinking and became an atheist—the seeds of doubt were planted and I just couldn't keep up all the crazy justifications for the way I wished the universe was. Actually, reality turns out to be better than I could have imagined. I've read Dianetics and thought it was crap, but "A History of Man" . . . now, there's one of the great masterpieces of unintended hilarity. I defy anyone to read it without howling with laughter.

Posted by: Artoo45 at April 23, 2008 10:39 PM

Hi. Taking-up Merrill's post...

Merrill: You've been in the Church for 34 years? Good. That places you at having entered around 1974. A LOT of things have happened in CoS since then. (Too many 'smoking guns,' if you ask me - and far too many to list here.)

What is the "works" when you say "Scientology works?"

Do you just "feel better" - or do you actually have demonstrable, stable gains - easily verifiable by the outside public - as opposed to subjective realities and experiences?

You fail to mention your case, admin and training levels - and how much money and time you've invested.

Are you 100% SATISFIED and VGIs?

What, specifically - in layman's terms - are the Native State abilities you've rehabbed?

Did you know that in the '60s and '70s, the O.T. Levels actually had people doing kinesis and telepathy and exteriorization drills?

LRH was a brilliant man, no doubt. But, from my own empirical observation as an auditor, much of his material is THEORETICAL...the POTENTIALITIES of the theta being. That's totally fine. But, to promote it and sell it as a factual, attainable, tangible reality?...

WHERE'S LRH NOW?

Target Two?...BS!

Wouldn't you agree that Scn, ultimately, is all about escaping the whole cycle of assumption/birth > life > body death > between-lives forgetter implant restim/amnesia?

Yes, I think we could agree on that.

Good.

Well, THE ULTIMATE DISSEM 'TOOL' THAT WOULD EVER BE - AND THAT WOULD 'D.A.' ANY OTHER RELIGION OR SPIRITUAL PATH - WOULD BE FOR LRH TO RETURN - AND HAVE HIS RETURN INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED AND PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED!

THAT'S Scientology "working"!

So...WHERE'S RON?

It's been over 21 years since he dropped his body. His LOA is up.

Isn't the S.O. motto "Revenimus"...we come back?

Posted by: orbal1 at April 25, 2008 12:48 AM

Clear :0)

Posted by: Eagle at April 25, 2008 2:27 AM

Beautiful! Jason, you are my new hero! There are a lot more ex-scientologists than scientologists. So nice for us finally to be represented by a sane, honest voice. Mind control is not done in the ways that are depicted in Lifetime movies. One of the first things that you learn on your auditor training, is that it is the job of the auditor to control the pc's attention...and you do. It's monotonous--and even more mind-numbing for the auditor who sits in a state of 'being there' for hours and hours. If you are taking a course, if your mind wanders at all from what you are studying, you have to find the word in the materials that you don't fully understand and look it up in the dictionary. Fidgeting, stray thoughts are all not allowed---answering questions on the material, you have to respond instantly, without thinking.... Hours of study, mind not allowed to wander--tell me that doesn't hypnotize a person.......

It's very, very real and as another "past-life-Clear" and trained auditor who is coming out of the fog, I applaud this man. When you are stuck in the cult, you are told that all the people ranting out there are either religious bigots, under psych influence, or just plain suppressive. It's not until your out that you realize that so many of these voices are from ex-members or families of members who have lost their money, their minds, or a big chunk of their life. As a cult member, you cannot talk to someone who has been kicked out or left--so, unfortunately, you never hear the other side of the story. You never hear the TRUTH.

Posted by: ex-cultie at April 25, 2008 8:54 PM

I think I will join Scientology after watching this interview. No kidding.

Posted by: JK at April 25, 2008 11:39 PM

Dear fellow Scientologists:

Sec, Hubbard says that "The truth is YOUR truth, the truth is what YOU believe". So to tell Jason that he can't handle the truth, is not completely right. He is handling his own thruth, and he has the right to do so.

I don't believe Hubbard literally ment for us to ATTACK people in the sence of judging them, pushing them down and trying to discredit them. Even though he said attack, don't defend, I don't think he ment for us to attack all our critics as if they were stupid, false or criminal. I think he ment for us to attack their arguments, not their integrity. I mean, the way we are attacking our critics now, are actually not attacks at all, it's DEFENCE. It's verbal violence as DEFENCIVE ATTACKS.

This "war" between Scientologists and our critics, is unnecessary and will dissappear as soon as we ourselves start to act more sainly in the public room. To be able to clear the planet, we have to act with compassion, never in a defencive way.

We have to take a look at ourselves and ask howcome we have been so alienated from society. We can't keep on declaring everybody as liars just because we don't like what they have to say.

Scientology is too valuable for us to discredit by our defencive attacks against our critics. And I have to say, that if Jason is declared an SP by CoS, we are all SP's.

It's time for us to question CoS and how they are using the tech when dealing with media and our critics. I can't see any reason for a Scientologist to raise his voice to anyone, and specially not on TV yelling at some journalist. A Scientologist should be able to be consisent without having to yell at or discredit anyone. This is basic ARC.

Posted by: Also Scientologist, but SP after this? at April 27, 2008 11:37 AM

Wow, this guy is really a kook. Did Scientology make him this way, or was he already crazy? Well, what came first, his acting career or the Scientology?

Posted by: Rusty at April 28, 2008 12:58 PM

Let's set up a fund for Jason Beghe! If we all chip in $1 each, he'll get his money back!

Posted by: Mark at April 28, 2008 3:28 PM

This is a start...a person willing to tell what it was like. But he said it, If someone is a big success it is because of Scientology. If they aren't? There is something wrong with them. I fear Scientology will just write him off as fucked-up and a failure and not representative of the philosophy. Can someone save these videos so they can repost them on a blog or whatever when the Scientolgy Church gets them forced off here? Thanks.

Posted by: Sandy at April 28, 2008 5:41 PM

SEC

I've seen in one of your comments that you don't need license to survive "in or out of Scientology" Plus understand that while I cannot speak for every single person, I know myself and a lot of others have no problem with you being a Scientologist if that is what you think. I believe we all should follow what we believe is true and respect peoples decision to follow the religion they choose just as I hope they respect mine. My problem is with the Church of Scientology, not the members. If I am correct even the main Scientology website says Scientology means "The Study of Truth" If that is true then how can you, or any other Scientologist for that matter continue to ignore the blatant signs that something serious is wrong with the Church? I don't claim that I know everything, or that even everything I've heard is true, but I have heard enough to believe a lot of these acts do happen, and what I have seen has appalled me. I don't care if you are Scientologist, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian, we are all humans, we laugh the same, cry the same and feel the same pain, so how can you ignore this if there is even the chance of it happening? If you are really in Scientology to help the world as I've heard some say, then how can even the smallest doubt be ignored. I know from what I have read that you might be told not to listen to me, I am a crimnal, immoral, or I just don't know what I'm talking about. But I bet I know more than someone who is made to hide from these issues instead of confront them. I might no be perfect, but I have no reason to lie, I could be perfectly happy turning my back and ignoring all this, but I feel angry over what happens to people and frustrated when I read about how people might feel something isn't working, or something is wrong. And they are taught to hide it so they end up thinking "they" are the problem when the person next to them must feel the same way. If that is true, then what a lonely life it must be to always wear a mask. Religion should make you happy, not afraid.
Eh, I apologize I have really gotten off subject and ended up rambling, but I am human after all and I do mean these words. I just hope you will actually give them true and honest consideration if you read them instead of thinking I am wrong off the bat. Go on the defensive for once and use your head, try to see things from my point of view, just as someone who cares even if it doesn't make sense.

Posted by: Art at April 30, 2008 8:57 AM

Its funny, Every Scientologist that has ever responded to any of the critics in this forum or any other forum has always claimed:

"I've been a scientologist for 34 years" or "I've been a scientologist for 15 years"!

Has anyone ever talk to one who has been involved for less the 5 years?

It appears those new members (raw meat) aren't allowed out of the gimp cage yet. If you are reading this and you are a new member, do yourself a favor and get out before you become just another douchetard.

Posted by: Sniff at April 30, 2008 5:01 PM

Hi Jason I met you at Flag 10 years ago, you where and still are a nice guy
I wish people would make the distinction between LRH's technology and the Church of scientology, to me they are 2 separate things, Hey I have been "in" 15 years and I have gotten better in many ways, but I know what you are talking about and many things you say ARE TRUE!
Despite some of the things being too controlling I still believe I can reach a higher state of being and freedom. But time will tell, I still have faith and by the way I am also a religious Jew, and a scientologist and no one has ever told me to not practice my faith
Jason, I do understand you, and I wish you know that not every scientologist is "brainwashed" maybe your circumstances in CC INT where as such that you where under that suppression, I personally don’t feel that way,
I wish you happiness and there are truly no hard feelings I still think you’re a fantastic artist and person
ML
Anna, from Israel

Posted by: Anna at May 6, 2008 5:04 AM

Yer man has it in the bag. It is good that he speaks his truth to the world full marks mate. If this doesn't wake up the big sheep in this mind controlled cult...Then probably nothing will.
You can continue this dissection of Scientology on my site Lifeinthemix.co.uk
on the New World order page.
Regards from the UK
Life...

Posted by: Life at May 8, 2008 8:02 PM

Thank god Free Speech is alive and well at the Village Voice!

Posted by: Anonymous at May 9, 2008 8:47 PM

You don't suppose this is a planned plot by the church which was taken over by SPs 20 years ago in order to get people to hate Scientology so that they can take over this planet using the duped Jason Beghe being an opinion leader with a gregarious personality by giving him the top auditor and CS on the planet to purposely mess up his case. This could be the clever manipulation of a planned secret scheme to enslave this planet knowing that Scientology works making it their worst enemy. Of course this is too increbible to be believed, unless of course it's true!!!! John Boice

Posted by: john boice at May 11, 2008 1:13 PM

I don't understand people who say they are Jewish or Christian or whatever AND a Scientologist. According to Hubbard other religions are implants...part of R6, isn't that what he said? So correct me if I am wrong but, he was in fact against other religions. Very scary that a Scientologist of x years wouldn't know this yet...yikes.

Posted by: brett at May 11, 2008 7:35 PM