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Nightline Swings at Scientology, Misses

Posted by Tony Ortega at 1:09 PM, April 25, 2008

What do you expect when a program as mainstream as Nightline tries to take on a moving story like the new, growing opposition to Scientology? Certainly not something this weak.

Stumbling in the footsteps of a recent terrific story by John Cook at Radar, Nightline tried to tell the story of Jenna Miscavige Hill last night. Why is her story important? She’s niece to the tiny leader of Scientology, David Miscavige, so her defection, and subsequent allegations about how her family was split up in the church’s notorious policy of “disconnection,” should pack a punch to L. Ron Hubbard’s sect.

Unfortunately, Nightline, like most mainstream outlets, gets really squeamish when talk turns to religious belief, so the ABC program managed to leave out the part that Scientology is a money-making scam that doesn’t tell its own believers until they’ve paid hundreds of thousands of dollars that the point of all their classes and lie-detector machines is to remove space-alien souls from the human body.

Didn’t have time for that detail, I guess.

Instead, viewers unfamiliar with Hubbardism would be forgiven if they came away from the program thinking Scientology was just a quirky religion that inspires folks to become so dedicated, they tend to pay less attention to their own kids. Like poor little Jenna, who had to haul around rocks when she was only 7 years old.

Somehow, Hill’s story in particular, told so well by Cook, was drained of all impact in Nightline’s frightened telling. Hell, Terry Moran looked like he was about to soil his pants as he talked about trying to get a response from Scientology itself.

As a longtime Scientologist who managed to escape the cabal told me after watching the show: Scientology won this round.

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comments

I agree, it was pretty softball, but at least this program may have gotten more people to do a Google search for Co$ and see what the real deal is.

Posted by: Bridget at April 25, 2008 1:27 PM

You nailed it. Why didn't they check to see if this was still child abuse was going on, check with local authorities, generally light a fire to smoke out the whole truth and consequences.

Posted by: Good at April 25, 2008 1:38 PM

Eh. It's more coverage than most give this topic, so I'm going to award it a point for effort on first try. Hopefully, other outlets will start to take notice as the May protests roll around...

But this certainly does make it clear that Anonymous needs ex-Scientologists now more than ever. Make your voices heard! We're with you!

Posted by: Anonanana at April 25, 2008 1:48 PM

at least they aired SOMETHING bad about the Cult, that's more than everyone else

hopefully this whole story will snowball and eventually most news organizations won't be afraid to air all of the truth about this mafia cult

for now, Mark Bunker and groups like Anonymous will have to be the ones to air the truth

Posted by: LRH at April 25, 2008 1:50 PM

I disagree, I believe that Nightline has done a good service to the critics of scientology. It has gained public awareness into the inner workings of Scientology and has made people more aware over the contraversy.

As journalists they did well regarding their media ethics. They didn't focus on the belief system, they focused on the Disconnection Policy and Sea Org.

With any luck they will focus on the next protest regarding the Fair Game Policy.

Posted by: RedDevoHat at April 25, 2008 2:01 PM

Fantastic Point. It was a meeh story where they had a chance to really fracking tear into the details behind the stories of Jenna and Kendra.

That said, it was a story and it accurately painted the church in a poor light. The win for the church in this is that they didn't lose as badly as they could have. That is a fairly pathetic upstat if you ask me.

Thank you for your continued coverage Village Voice.

Posted by: L RON WAS A CON at April 25, 2008 2:05 PM

I think it was awesome for coverage, but it wasn't hard-hitting or as critical as it could have been, given all the information anonymous has exposed. And they did the research for them, making those websites they alluded to. it's all presented there, yet they refused to even name most of them. Granted, on that point, they did name one of the best, but the church doesn't just abuse children. They only alluded to an allegation of child abuse. they could've outright said it, given they have ACTUAL TESTAMONY sitting right in front of them.
www.youfoundthecard.com
wwww.enturbulation.org
www.xenu.net

Posted by: TheCancerkills at April 25, 2008 2:08 PM

After watching the segment, I couldn't help but think "hmm well that doesn't sound that bad, she was told to do her school work, and had to do some labor? Alright well where's the real atrocities here?"

Make no mistake, I realize Scientology is a money making cult that encourages members to disconnect from non-members. But the Nightline piece should have dug just a little deeper than they did.

One thing is, you have that cult compound in Texas story in the news where young girls are forced to marry nasty old men. So you almost have to show that Scientology is just as bad as that to have much impact. And stories about having to do a little work doesn't really cut it.

Like you said though, they should have focused more on the $$$ scam.

Posted by: C at April 25, 2008 2:12 PM

Scientology didn't win. They probably think they did! Yes this could have been more hard hitting. It's a hard balance to strike. There are journalistic/news guidelines to follow. The best thing is Nightline did cover this. Hopefully more people will become aware and research further. The information is out. More people are waking up and leaving. One step at time. Wish it would happen faster myself, though look at all the positives that have happened in the last few months. Stay the course and don't give up! Scientology will eventually be brought to justice!

Posted by: patty23 at April 25, 2008 3:01 PM

Twenty-two minutes. That's it. Twenty-two minutes is the maximum time a broadcast news program has to work with in a 30-minute slot.

It was not a leisurely 22 minutes, either -- Nightline covered a lot of ground with those interviews. No one can realistically expect them to EFFECTIVELY cover more than they did in that 22 minutes.

That said, I encourage Nightline and ABC news to pursue the program further, because it would be very, very easy to maintain that same breakneck pace and still fill 3 weeks of 22-minute segments, hitting the different issues with the "church" of Scientology. They can do 22 minutes just on Germany's public report stating that Scientology is a "criminogenic" organization with totalitarian goals and harmful techniques of mind control... After lengthy study, Germany has found Scientoloty to be a clear threat to democracy and individual freedom, and has warned all of its citizens to beware.

HEY, AMERICAN GOVERNMENT -- STEP UP TO THE PLATE PEOPLE!

Anyway, any report about the abuses of the "church" of Scientology is bound to be incomplete when given severe time limits -- there's soooo much to cover.

Posted by: Janie at April 25, 2008 3:07 PM

Are you guys kidding me? Millions of people across the US were informed of Scientology breaking up families, child abuse and forced abortions! In half an hour they can't cover every single one of Scientology's crimes so they went for the heartstring stories. They caused the maximum butt hurt possible in the minimum amount of time.

Posted by: Awfulnonymous Bosch at April 25, 2008 3:13 PM

Don't forget the forced abortions. It was a strong point.

It is just a pity that they let the nasty answer from scientology go without comment (I know they couldn't). It was some form of character assassination: they can't rebut what Jenna said, so they attacked her personally...

Posted by: Ann O'Nymous at April 25, 2008 3:15 PM

For goodness sake Tony, what was the actual running time of the show? 20 minutes, that's all. Most of that time we were hearing the victims Jenna Hill, Astra Woodcraft and her father Lawrence tell their stories about how they were treated on a daily basis. This is just one of many angles. You'll never do the kind of expose you want in a 20 minute show. I think you need a whole series of programs to do it justice.

BTW, I've just listened to ex-scientologist Marc Headley on Dawn Olsens Blogtalk radio show, Glosslip Radio, and after 90 riveting minutes of stories they still hardly scratched the surface and ran out of time. It should be up for download by now. Take a listen. I'll warn you in advance, in case you end up dissapointed, that there is no mention of space aliens in this one either.

Posted by: Sponge at April 25, 2008 3:21 PM

They did manage to cover the forced abortions in the Sea Org and they did mention the Anonymous protests. Could they have dug deeper? Of course. Still it's more than a lot of the major media outlets have done. So it's a start.

My only big disapointment was that they didn't have the other ExScientology kids girl, Kendra Wiseman on. Having the daughter of the president of Scientology front group Citizens Commission on Human Rights (the anti-psychiatry group) on would have been awesome.

Posted by: Dave at April 25, 2008 3:29 PM

Yea Dave, it would have been nice, but probably difficult since Kendra is in China. As far as the article goes, I am glad that mainstream media did finally do a WHOLE show about it, while it might not have been as gritty as some of us would have had it be.. what can you do.. With the exception of a handful of papers, there has not been near enough coverage about the abuses in Scientology in general. I think, ABC might have put a crack in the damn though. Fingers crossed that reporters submerge themselves in the subject instead of the proverbial one toe.

Posted by: AC2 at April 25, 2008 3:47 PM

I think you're being a little too hard on Nightline. They mentioned forced child labor, disconnection, physical abuse, forced abortions... Those are seriously disturbing, hard-hitting things to people who known nothing about the church. Chill out about the Xenu thing - everybody knows about that already, and frankly, it's not the point. Yeah, there's a lot more to be said about the church, and this is just scratching the surface, but to say that "the CoS won this round" is ridiculous. This is a blow to them that will resonate with everyday people.

That said, I understand your frustration. Have patience, brother. This war is only beginning.

Posted by: wiffulbatz at April 25, 2008 3:48 PM

I love your writing on this subject, Tony, but I think you're wrong this time. Nightline crammed a lot of information into 22 minutes -- more than I could have expected. There's no way that Scientology could be happy with this program.

Posted by: Ron Newman at April 25, 2008 3:49 PM

Forced abortions? Child labor? And this line of questioning leads to what, an ATF raid on Flag? Hardly.

To wit:

Government: You broke into government offices.
CoS: It was a few bad apples. We don’t do that anymore.

Government: Is it true you encourage Sea Org members to have abortions?
CoS: A few more bad apples. That’s not our policy.

Government: And you force seven year olds to move rocks?
CoS: That’s one person’s story. It’s not our policy.

In other words, that approach leads to so much wiggle room, you could sail Freewinds through it.

Follow the money. It’s what counts. Scientology can treat its Sea Org members better, it can stop forcing disconnection. But how does it stop demanding luxury-car prices for advanced classes? And what happens when the media and government start asking real questions, as in, how does an organization that misleadingly demands hundreds of thousands of dollars from parishioners manage to obtain tax-exempt status?

Therein lies Xenu’s heel, kids.

Remember, it’s the money.

Posted by: Tony Ortega at April 25, 2008 4:21 PM

Why is this article so poor? Because its author is unable to evaluate the importance of data. Specifically, "tiny leader of Scientology", a comment about a body's size, utterly ignores the stature of the man. Data is mis-evaluated.

Besides a mis-evaluation of the importance of data, the author talks about things he has no clue about.
"allegations about how her family was split up in the church’s notorious policy of “disconnection,” should pack a punch to L. Ron Hubbard’s sect"

Disconnected people are never going to pack a punch with Scientologists because there is a good deal of technical information and policy that you have refused to understand. Refused, while chanting phrases from critical websites that are driven by Big Pharma Money, by money from hate and extremist groups. Still, you've a right to publish your opinion, no matter how badly misinformed, no matter how poorly you are able to evaluate the importance of a datum.

Posted by: Terryeo at April 25, 2008 4:29 PM

Totally agree. Nightline as representative of the mainstream media never ceases to be disappointing.

Posted by: Maia Maia at April 25, 2008 4:35 PM

I couldn't help but laugh at Scientology's [paraphrased] line:

"We're not going to impugn her character by saying anything about her."

Thus deliberately impugning her character by implying there was something to impugn her character with in the first place... only withheld.

What a bunch of snakes. They're pretty adept at slippery language and logical fallacies though, aren't they?

Posted by: David Mudkips at April 25, 2008 4:41 PM

You guys are partly right, the Nightline piece soft peddles child abuse and ignores some of the more alarming aspects of Scientology.

The sizzle is in teh CoS rebuttal. Read it carefully.

Posted by: Dadanon at April 25, 2008 4:47 PM

They did a good job. The evils of CO$ speak for themselves and simply putting the prospect in peoples minds and getting them to google it is enough. That way, people also get to make up their own minds based on the facts and this helps diffuse the religious bigotry tactic we know they are so fond of. Jenna was very convincing and I would go as far as to say that we may have just passed the "tipping point."

Posted by: jim at April 25, 2008 4:48 PM

I think the criticism is a bit unfair. When PBS decides to get into the act with a 10 hour series, that's when we might get a full accounting of Scientology's unsavory practices. For now, they delved into one issue and, I thought, did a pretty good job with it.

It would have made it much better if they could have gotten someone from the Church to appear on the show (we all know that no one can make them look as bad as they do), but apparently the couldn't find anyone.

Posted by: Mackie at April 25, 2008 4:57 PM

I think the show did well enough. It's a major mainstream show, so they have to speak to the largest audience possible. There would be too much to cover in too little time if they tried to touch EVERY bad aspect of Scientology. The Xenu mythology and their lies about it are hardly the worst thing that they've done. By focusing on child abuse, disconnection, and forced abortions, they've made people interested. From here, they can learn more about Scientology on their own, and will find out about the other things in the process.

Posted by: Anon at April 25, 2008 5:37 PM

How Pathetic! You guys need to get lives...so, I have been a Scientologist for 12 years, I run a $20,000,000 a year company in 26 countries with many people employed as non Scientologists, I was raised catholic ( watch out for the ass bandits...) and I want to tell you people that SCIENTOLOGY ROCKS!! I think it's really funny that all ABC could do was drag up an old story about some people who had a rough time. Now you would think (seeing as how we Scientologists are all evil space beings) that ABC could at least have found the odd SEX CRIME or CHILD MOLESTATION or Deviant sexual behaviour, even a good hold HOMO sex act or two..( you know like the bastion of spiritual salvation...the Catholics...ahhhhmmmmm.....) but no such luck. No, instead we are treated to the usual BS about my religion. Poor, very poor. Please, next time, let's get something exciting can we! Until then, get yourself some kick ass auditing and Oh, yeah, watch the Xenu chronicles...you might learn something that will get you off your anti-depressants, alcohol or Cocaine...
Go figure.

Posted by: Shau at April 25, 2008 6:19 PM

Yeah, I have to agree with the majority of commenters here that for a big, corporate news show, they stayed on message throughout the segment. They let Jenna and Astra's stories speak for themselves and as for the "church's" weak response (trying to take the high-road approach) it simply shows that they are running out of bullshit to feed the media. It's kinda ironic that Hubbard, for all his imagination, just couldn't forsee the bullshit behind his futuristic "tech" being brought down by, well . . . technology.

Posted by: Artoo45 at April 25, 2008 6:30 PM

terryeo said: "Disconnected people are never going to pack a punch with Scientologists because there is a good deal of technical information and policy that you have refused to understand".

Yes terryeo, we refuse to understand the value of a policy that requires parents to ensure the financial and PR health of a so-called church ahead of the health, education, and well-being of their own children. Good Grief. God I pray for you to find an independent thinking, non-brainwashed mind!

Posted by: anonymous at April 25, 2008 7:03 PM

For those of us who understand that this is only the tip of the iceberg, it looked a little softball, but the Nightline story was a good intro for the people who think Scientology is kooky, but relatively harmless.

And for Shau, you might be interested in watching Astra's interview with Mark Bunker , found here (or click the link in my signature):

http://xenutv.com/interviews/astra-1.htm

It has details of the SEX CRIMES, CHILD MOLESTATION, and all that other exciting stuff you seem to be thirsting for.

Posted by: guess at April 25, 2008 7:36 PM

Shau claims he runs a 20 million dollar company, then posts a poorly written message containing phrases like "Scientology Rocks" and "ass kicking".

Somehow, I don't think people running 20 Million dollar companies have time to troll the internet posting on random blogs, and they certainly have better communication skills. Methinks I smell an OSA plant.

As for the Nightline episode, I think they did a pretty good job gently introducing the subject to a mainstream audience. Hopefully they'll follow up with more investigative reporting. There's a lot to cover!

Posted by: Anonymous at April 25, 2008 7:45 PM

Agreed, somewhat.

At least people know about the forced abortions and SOMETHING about disconnection. It certainly wasn't a victory for the cult. However, more needed to be said. Badly.

It's a start though, and certainly downstat for the Co$.

May 10th people! This shows that operation reconnect was a success. Let the world know about Fair game next! (Don't forget to order your copy of Battletoads for the Wii!)

Posted by: Anonymous at April 25, 2008 7:56 PM

Personally, I'm waiting for Nightline to cast a light on a rather odd and highly authoritarian group that seems to be common everywhere you turn in this country. Check this out: they're utterly convinced that an early first century Jewish carpenter created the entire universe and is apparently going to lead an army of angels to seize control of this planet on some undetermined future date. Unbelievably enough, huge numbers of them hold these "truths" in a completely literal fashion. I hear that they're even going so far as to think that everyone else should hold these beliefs as well. What's next, electing one of them president?

Posted by: Bobby Sox at April 25, 2008 9:19 PM

Shau:

I *really* hope you're a hyper-sarcastic troll. Otherwise, your Delusion Level is over 9000.

It would take far longer than 22 minutes to cover $cientology's myriad crimes, such as (for example) infiltrating the US Government (Google for Operation Snow White), denying Lisa MacPherson access to the medical treatment that would have saved her life (Google for her name), and the acts of GBH that your Dear Leader, David Miscaviage, regularly inflicts on those who are too brainwashed to know better.

And don't forget that, quite apart from the fact that L Ron Hubbard, you founder of your so-called "church", a vehement critic of psychiatric medicine, was hopped up on Vistaril (a psych drug) when he died. And that DM basically staged a coup to oust the people who L Ron *really* wanted to take over the Co$

Oh, I'm sorry, haven't you paid enough $$$ to know the real story yet? Better shell out another $500 for some more auditing. I find it funny how a fake church can charge people thousands of dollars to get told things they can find on the Internet for free.

That, and your Pavlovian response is showing all the symptoms of The BITE model - Yep, you've been brainwashed HARDCORE.

Inform yourself. Challenge what you've been told. Have an Independent Thought

http://www.xenu.net
http://www.youfoundthecard.com
http://www.exscientologykids.com

When you realise it's all a lie, come find me. We'll share a beer, sort you out with some Exit Counselling, and I *promise* not to say "I Told You So"

Posted by: A-non-non-anon at April 25, 2008 9:21 PM

You guys are retarded. Try researching shit before you spew religious bigotry as fact. The reason Nightline didn't ask bigoted questions is because this "movement" isn't as big as you dumbfucks like to act like it is. It's an off-spawn from 4chan stemming from this: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/233/516606651_ae1b735a70_o.jpg


And supporting terrorism, as seen here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2415859

Anonymous can go fuck themselves, and you guys are dumbasses for thinking this shit is better than a religion which has never been found guilty of a single murder you accuse them of.

Posted by: Bing at April 25, 2008 10:09 PM

the mere fact nightline (watched only by old people right before they nod off) aired this at all is a win.

just saying to someone, "check out this link" showing them crazy shit these people do works well, too.

Posted by: anon405 at April 25, 2008 10:10 PM

@Terryeo:
"Refused, while chanting phrases from critical websites that are driven by Big Pharma Money"

Fail post is fail.

I take no money from big pharma. In fact, I think big pharma sucks. However, big pharma doesn't bamboozle vulnerable people into shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars for fake super powers (like the "Church" of $cientology does).


Posted by: Richard Rollington at April 25, 2008 11:18 PM

I love it:

"Unfortunately, Nightline, like most mainstream outlets, gets really squeamish when talk turns to religious belief, so the ABC program managed to leave out the part that Scientology is a money-making scam that doesn’t tell its own believers until they’ve paid hundreds of thousands of dollars that the point of all their classes and lie-detector machines is to remove space-alien souls from the human body."

Posted by: AnonymousNow at April 25, 2008 11:19 PM

I think this is part of a longer term plan to do a series. If this show highlights one aspect of this Cult and it succeeds, then they can do more shows on various other aspects of the Cult. ie. The financial aspect, or a story on the deaths and suicide rates within the church. This is the first kick to get the ball rolling on a huge movement.

Posted by: thundersalmon at April 26, 2008 1:08 AM

How come Nightline doesnt talk about the Collapse of WTC 7?

Instead they are complaining about reli

Posted by: Brian at April 26, 2008 2:53 AM

These coordinated attacks in the Media coincide with the massive release of Scienology Books And Lectures.


ABC is the same Media Cabal which is lying about Terrorism.


ABC is covering up WTC 7.....

New York Crime Cabal runs ABC.

Posted by: Brian at April 26, 2008 3:05 AM

Nightline unlike Anonymous has to limit itself to reporting news that actually happened. I watched this news show and didn't hear any bombshells. Seriously, what I see here interpreted a "Forced Abortions" was on the show "no kids allowed in the Sea Org". While some Sea Org women do get abortions because they didn't really want to have a child, most wanted to have a family and leave. A lot of other people would be complaining if the Sea Org didn't allow abortions or marriage like the Catholics do with their priests.

While I am not privy to exactly what the Xenu story is, every version I hear is wildly distorted from every other version. I know that when I reach that step on the bridge I'll probably be disappointed that it wasn't what everybody said it was. Anonymous probably figures that people will believe everything they read on the internet about Scientology, probably thinking that people are easily misled based on the success of corporate advertisement. Of course that isn't really true and anybody actually interested in Scientology will look a little deeper on the internet and things of substance regarding Scientology without having to depend on the Churh of Scientology web-sites to do that.

Being rather familiar with the Tom Cruise story, it really makes me wonder what he did that he deserves to be the target of so many attacks. Especially with so many other celebrity Scientologists. Let me see he jumped on Oprah's couch and there was one other thing and oh yeah he disagreed with someone taking psychiatric drugs. I wonder which one of these things could have rated so many attacks. Could the promotion of psychiatric "therapy" using psychotropics some commenters on these be a clue.

What I notice is that Anonymous is made up of a strange coalition of individuals each claiming the goal of Anonymous in their "campaign" against Scientology is this or that where this is in conflict with that while psychiatrist stick their nose in to pathetically defend their psychiatry practice.

Posted by: Curiouser at April 26, 2008 4:05 AM

Shau has such an exciting life that he has time to hang out on blogs. Shau -- you're quite proud of yourself and scientology. What exactly is this $20,000,000 a year "company" and what is your position?

Posted by: augustus at April 26, 2008 5:30 AM

I think the "response" from Scientology did more to hurt them than anything. Just the fact that it took ABC nearly a month to get an on-record statement from them, and that it was delivered on a fax that could not be cross-examined, raises people's suspicions, and the text of the response basically amounts to, "How dare you ask us a question we can't answer without looking like the bad guy."

Posted by: Pseudonym at April 26, 2008 10:33 AM

Shau wrote: "Now you would think (seeing as how we Scientologists are all evil space beings) that ABC could at least have found the odd SEX CRIME or CHILD MOLESTATION or Deviant sexual behaviour, even a good hold HOMO sex act or two..( you know like the bastion of spiritual salvation...the Catholics...ahhhhmmmmm.....) but no such luck. No, instead we are treated to the usual BS about my religion."

Now, now, Shau. One only has to look as far back as this past January to see glassy eyed Broadway star James "The Beast" Barbour's case. Barbour, a fairly insignificant celebrity shill for Scientologist front group Concerned Cultmembers for Human Rights was sentenced after being arrested and charged with sex abuse and sodomy for inappropriate touchy-touchy with a minor female fan.

Right after the conviction, surprise surprise, all references to the CCHR (and the "psychs") suddenly vanished from Mr. Barbour's website. Not acknowledging that he was a Scientologist doesn't mean he wasn't a Scientologist. Not in the real world. Just in your make believe one.

He should be getting out of Riker's any day now. And facing three year's probation. By the way, a part of his plea bargain, he had to admit under oath that he had committed the felony acts.

So what does your "religion" have in store for Barbour? Just ignoring he was ever a Scientologist so that you can still claim to be all moral and ethical and shit? Or sending him off to your in-house forced labor camp?

Do tell, Shau!

Posted by: Veritas at April 26, 2008 11:36 AM

While I agree that it could have been better, there are just TOO MANY evils in this cult to try to pack into one :30 episode.

Which do you think will hit home more in middle america: a scam(which we hear about those everyday), or forced abortions, child slavery ect?

Posted by: AnonymousCTX at April 26, 2008 12:46 PM

Ok, let me see if I get this straight. Most of the people on this board are pissed off because OTHER people spent money, and now those OTHER people are pissed off about it? Is this correct? Does anyone at all know anything first hand? Or is everyone on this board repeating what they've read?

Posted by: Eva at April 26, 2008 3:01 PM

I have to say something about this "child abuse" thing: I raised four kids and they were all required to do chores. I even remember having my two sons 'move rocks' so we could have the gardener plant some grass. They came back after this 'child abuse' and told me they were now stronger! I had several parents ask me how to get your kids to do chores and I said to start early - if a 3-year-old can do anything, have them do it. They will feel like they helped the family. I know several Scientologists (I live in the LA area) and they are really nice people, not brainwashed cult members and I have never seen anything but love towards their kids. I think Jenny should stop this nonsense - it will never go anywhere. I have nieces and nephews that I don't speak to, not because of any religious reason, but because, frankly, they're jerks.

Posted by: Nell Rowin at April 26, 2008 3:17 PM

Shau, you don't have to look very far to find what you seem to be daring somebody to unearth when you write:

"Now you would think (seeing as how we Scientologists are all evil space beings) that ABC could at least have found the odd SEX CRIME or CHILD MOLESTATION or Deviant sexual behaviour, even a good hold HOMO sex act or two... but no such luck. No, instead we are treated to the usual BS about my religion."

James Barbour, glassy eyed Broadway occasional leading man and minor celebrity spokes-shill for the Concerned Cultmembers for Human Rights, an anti-"psych" front group of Scientology's, is just about finishing up his term at Rikers for sodomy and inappropriate relations with a minor. As part of his plea bargain, he had to admit he was guilty of the felonies for which he was accused.

Not surprisingly, the CCHR links that used to be scattered all over his webpage vanished as soon as he was sent up the river.

Just because Scientology disappears its criminals doesn't mean they weren't Scientologists. See, Shau? Happy now?

Posted by: Veritas at April 26, 2008 5:00 PM

Terryeo, OSA shill...for more on this troll please see:

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Terryeo

Posted by: Centurian 10 at April 26, 2008 5:15 PM

three words > religion + tax-exemption.

the greatest trick this gang pulled off was getting itself declared a "religion"

hence you get the line from above
"the usual BS about my religion"

we all know what there about but with that tag their homefree , and tax-exempt
to booth.


Posted by: nyc boy at April 26, 2008 9:19 PM

The abuses of the church were certainly barely scratched in this show, but the issues brought up were nevertheless important. This is Miscavige's niece, for God's sakes! Family has no value in Scientology. Scientology's continued expansion is the only thing that counts, no matter what beautiful quotes from L. Ron Hubbard are used to try to hide this fact. Families are torn apart, lives are torn apart, but it is all for "the greatest good for the greatest number." "The greatest number" has been redefined as "David Miscavige," but that is beside the point.

Posted by: Victor at April 27, 2008 5:53 PM

Nightline def missed on this. They could have dug so much deeper in then they did. That said, at least they stepped up and said something about this wacked out cult. I truly hope that some other networks get the courage to do a little more in depth reporting on this scam, shining the light on the crap it actually is.

Posted by: Zac at April 27, 2008 8:45 PM

The show was less about Jenna than the title implied, which diluted the story somewhat. Had they shown all that she stated, there would have no doubt been more for the minimizing commenters here to be unable to refute.
I was in scientology for over 18 years and saw they youngest of Sea Org children hungry and wandering around unsupervised all over Hollywood whe they should have been in school. They youngest of them were left in the care of one inexperienced teenage nanny at the Cadet Org, a place I would never send my children to. The parents were never around, the kids bussed back and forth to & from their berthing like a herb of cattle on a daily basis. I cried when I read her story because she speaks for every kid in the Sea Org who was forced to labor 12+ hrs a day doing physical labor in the heat, or work inside the publications org branbce behind closed doors, as if they were slaves, without the daily love and care they needed from their parents.
I am dismayed that her father Ron Miscavige, did not speak up on the record that day but I am not surprised because he's being harrassed by this cult as I write this. Jenna is a brave girl, as is Astra and her father. They are just three of thousands and thousands of former members whose lives were dictated by this cult.

It is my belief thats ome day soon Ron Miscavige will take a stand against his brother Davis Miscavige, and by doing this he will help many people reconnect with their families and help put a stop to the tyranny that Sea Org members have been under. It's just a matter of time.
Nightline could have done a better job but I'm grateful for what they wer able to get out.

Posted by: Mary McConnell at April 28, 2008 12:44 AM

You people are really funny, but I'm not going to tell you what you're missing. LULZ !

Posted by: Terryeo at April 28, 2008 2:05 AM

Ok, yes I will tell you what you are missing. I have a 17 year old Sea Org recruit blowing me right this very second and I think I'll bring him back again. He will do as I say or I will have sec checked again.

Posted by: Terryeo at April 29, 2008 7:39 PM

I can't stand this cash cult and I Know A LOT after years of study into many-faceted sect of the mighty Xenu.

Anons, lets not forget that for the uninitiated person who doesn't know about $cientology's history, this IS BIG NEWS.

Its just the thin end of the wedge.

Lets bring this $cam down and have a damn good laugh while we do it or it's just not gonna be any fun.

Posted by: Anonymouse at May 11, 2008 11:07 AM

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