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'Phoenix Lights': Don't Believe the Hype

Posted by Tony Ortega at 3:19 PM, April 22, 2008

Here we go again. A new round of ‘Phoenix Lights’ has Arizona’s media going nutty, and Matt Drudge’s interest will only whip up the fervor.

As a new formation of lights in the sky becomes the source of fascination in the Grand Canyon State, folks less given to jumping to alien conclusions would do well to keep a few things in mind as they watch breathless accounts from TV reporters and pure silliness from newspapers like the Arizona Republic:

1. UFOs are big business. The high ratings that come with UFO stories is so reliable, even networks that are started with more serious purposes, such as the History Channel, continually fall back on dishonest shows about lights in the sky that deliberately leave out information to hype the ‘mystery.’ If television is primarily guilty, the Republic is also a big offender. It almost never brings up the fact that one its own reporters, Richard Ruelas, uncovered some of the same facts in the 1997 case that I did at the Phoenix New Times: that the 8:30 pm event was a formation of planes, as seen through a powerful telescope by a young man named Mitch Stanley, and that the 10 pm event was a flare dump over the nearby North Tac bombing range. Instead, the Republic continually refers to the 1997 events as unsolved. (That sells more papers.)

2. Don’t believe eyewitnesses about the altitude of lights at night. The human eye simply can make no judgment about the distance of what are called “point sources” – lights far enough away in a night sky that they have no dimension. Some witnesses in 1997 swore that the “vee,” for example was only 20 feet over their heads. Others said it looked thousands of feet away. With the vee covering 200 miles of the state in a half hour (in other words, 400 mph), and Stanley’s telescopic identification, we can safely assume that this group of planes was, indeed, thousands of feet above the earth. People who said they felt they could practically touch the vee, however, weren’t actually wrong, it’s just the tools they were using to make that estimate (their own eyes) were simply inadequate for the task.

3. With all of the ‘UFO investigators’ running around Phoenix in 1997 claiming that the vee was invisible to radar, not a single one made a request to the FAA in Albuquerque – where Phoenix skies are actually monitored – for tapes of that night. After eleven days, the FAA told me, those tapes are erased. If anyone requests tapes of this new event, those tapes will be preserved for everyone to see. Instead, reporters at the time kept going back to air traffic controllers at Sky Harbor Airport who monitor commercial traffic coming in for landings, not military formations traveling high over the state.

Fortunately, this time, it looks like there was only one phenomenon on Monday night, which should mean less confusion than in 1997, when the fact that there were two separate and very different events confused reporters to no end (and still, to this day, is almost never part of an explanation of what happened then).

more: Fact Check

comments

i saw the lights when i stepped out on my patio for a smoke. i'm not going to say "omfg aliens!!" but they were unlike anything i've ever seen. my sister brother in-law and niece also saw them.

Posted by: anonymous at April 22, 2008 4:03 PM

What about Fife Symmington(ex Air Force Commander)? I guess he didn't know what he was looking at either? Come on, some guy with a "powerful telescope" saw planes? I can barely keep the moon in the view finder of my telescope. How could he see 10 planes?

Posted by: Jake at April 22, 2008 4:28 PM

Ortega spouts off unbounded by facts. Will admit that was some flare dump. They dropped them near Las Vegas and they were seen over Kingman, Prescott, and Phoenix, all time sequenced (and photographed in multiple areas). Would also suggest learning the basics of FAA radar. It is not what you think.

Guess they have a few thousand "silly" people reporting as well. Actually, the only one looking silly is Ortega.

Posted by: John A at April 22, 2008 4:30 PM

I don't know if there was a guy with a powerful telescope or not, but if unidentified lights were known to be hovering for 3 hours, and appearing in the direction of Luke AFB, wouldn't the Air Force send up aircraft to get a closer look. It seems they didn't even try that night. That tells me Luke AFB knew exactly what that was and were unconcerned.

Posted by: steve at April 22, 2008 5:07 PM

Too many credible witnesses these days are coming forward. You might want to address or consider the UFO sighting at Chicago O'Hare in 2006 by United Airline's seasoned pilots and mechanics.

Argument #1 is particularly weak (1) - just making the argument that UFO's are big business and attract attention does not make it any less real (are you a conspiracy theorist?). Sports players running around on the field are big business and attract attention and yes, they are very real.

Argument #2, I agree. At night it is difficult to tell at what altitude an object is flying. But, you make the mistake of assuming, to strengthen your argument, that these lights "must have been" at high altitudes. You don't know either...

Argument #3 regarding radar does not hold either - advanced technologies will simply not show up on radar. Radar is old, dated and is not reliable. Consider technology made by U.S. military and its contractors (stealth fighters).

So...where do you go from here? If you have the time please post a follow-up blog addressing my arguments.

Posted by: Murph90 at April 22, 2008 6:24 PM

cool..nice!!

Posted by: cheasy at April 22, 2008 6:57 PM

I saw similar lights in 1964 over the ocean in North Miami Beach. Mine had 5 ights and flew straight down into the ocean. You could see planes leaving Miami international and heading out to sea, but none flew in formation, and none flew downward into the sea. Just my brother, cousin and me saw the lights, and watched them for 5 minutes. I'm an engineer, pilot, and sailor, and have never again seen lights like those. These come close.

Posted by: Jack at April 22, 2008 7:04 PM

I just don't understand your reluctance to look at this stuff - what gets me is the strange, fluid way the lights rearrange into different shapes. Those are NOT balloons or any other conventional explanation. I agree it is very difficult to ascertain the size of the lights, but the way they MOVE is ALIEN!

Posted by: dr. wilhelm reich at April 22, 2008 7:43 PM

Thank you Mr Ortega for a reasonable explaination.

Posted by: Devin at April 22, 2008 8:10 PM

your bitterness, mr ortega, speaks for itself.

Posted by: anonymous at April 22, 2008 8:28 PM

check out the book UFOs: 7 Things You Should Know by Robert Brewer

Posted by: April at April 22, 2008 8:40 PM

I live in Phoenix & I missed it!
dam'n it! my chance to go home! COME BACK!!! :-D hehe

Posted by: Vampy at April 22, 2008 8:56 PM

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...

Posted by: Rick at April 22, 2008 9:16 PM

I will take the word of witnesses, not that of those who were not there.

Posted by: OddBoy at April 22, 2008 9:27 PM

I have no interest in UFOs and don't believe aliens are hovering over the earth, but I was driving to Vegas from Phoenix on Monday and I saw the weird lights. I imagine they're something military, or whatever, I have no idea what they were, but you can't possibly think that they weren't there. People saw them. Now, why people are putting so much energy into figuring out what they are is another matter, I guess some people find it fascinating. But no one's more cynical than I am on this front and if you didn't witness them for yourself it's probably best not to make assumptions about the folks who did.

Posted by: ari at April 22, 2008 9:38 PM

what an idiot. that's all i can say to this piece of rubbish by ortega.

Posted by: Clyde at April 22, 2008 10:18 PM

IT'S JUST FLARE!!! People are so stupid!

Posted by: Joe B at April 22, 2008 10:38 PM

Jake sez:
"Come on, some guy with a "powerful telescope" saw planes? I can barely keep the moon in the view finder of my telescope. How could he see 10 planes?"

Just because you're not a very experienced backyard astronomer does not mean that everybody is that inexperienced. Backyard astronomers have successfully seen aircraft on many occasions, and even taken pictures of them. If you want to be really impressed at the manual tracking abilities of some backyard astronomers, you should see the recognizable pictures of spacecraft taken by backyard astronomers with comparable (or inferior) telescopes to that of Mitch Stanely. There are some jaw-droppingly impressive pictures of the ISS, Mir, the Shuttle, the ATV, and Soyuz out there. It takes a very steady hand and a lot of patience, but it can be done with nothing more than a telescope, a video camera, and image editing software to digitally stack multiple frames to improve contrast. (That's how you get a long-duration exposure of a moving target -- take lots of individual pics and stack them.)

Posted by: Calli Arcale at April 22, 2008 10:40 PM

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/redlightsphoenix.html

Posted by: jee at April 22, 2008 11:26 PM

It's probably government X-planes. They will flat out deny it's there regardless of the reality. The Stealth Fighter was old tech before they admitted it existed. They did it once, they will do it again.

Posted by: UncleRice at April 23, 2008 12:48 AM

I'm in PA, so didn't see the lights over Phoenix, but I DID see something very similar in the early 1990's in Southeast PA. In fact, I awoke suddenly (not startled, just woke up) for no reason at about 3:00 a.m. one morning, and for no apparent reason, got up and went directly to my bedroom window. Just as I looked out, there was a "V" formation of white lights moving very fast from the eastern horizon, then passing overhead.

My mother-in-law who lived about 20 miles away had the exact same experience at the same time. The waking for no reason, going to the window and seeing the same thing.

On another occasion, perhaps a year or so prior to my event, my wife was outside with the dogs and saw what she described as a fast moving "V" formation of lights moving from west to east.

None of us heard any sounds associated with these lights, which in my opinion, likely precludes them being any type of conventional aircraft. Judging from the apparent size of the lights and how fast they were moving, I can estimate that they were not at an extreme altitude (lights too large and moving too fast).

I don't know WHAT I saw, or what the others saw that they described to me, but I do know it's like nothing I'd seen or had described to me by anyone I knew personally, before.

The truth IS out there, and we have no idea what it is. Anyone who summarily dismisses the possibility that such events in all cases, could be something that we're not able to understand is either foolish or totally devoid of imagination.

Posted by: Chuck at April 23, 2008 1:08 AM

The whole "flares theory" is laughable when one studies the 1997 events. Flares don't fly horizontally over a couple of hundred miles as these lights did. Not to mention the consistent descriptions of many eyewitnesses that describe something that was clearly not flares or high-flying planes. We live just north of Tucson - 90 miles south of Phoenix - and the 1997 formation flew over our neighborhood. Wish I'd been home to see it, but I have three friends who did. A medical doctor, an aerospace engineer, and a professional illusionist. They are among the many who know they weren't flares or high-flying planes.

Posted by: Rod Robison at April 23, 2008 1:19 AM

The lights are one thing, but there were numerous reports of other strange activities in the area. Some claimed that they saw the craft as it breezed by slowly overhead without making a sound.
Regarding the explanation... Flares?? Thats just laughable...

Posted by: Joe at April 23, 2008 1:19 AM

What did the space aliens ever do to Tony Ortega? Nothing, I'm sure, but he sure does love recycling his lame Phoenix Lights story every few months.

Oh, by the way, the actual Phoenix New Times just went ahead and reported the odd happenings:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2008/04/air_traffic_controllers_who_sa.php

Posted by: Tom Foolery at April 23, 2008 1:35 AM

Tony O. wasn't even there but he already knows more than everyone else who was.

Typical.

Posted by: Jimboob at April 23, 2008 2:15 AM

http://www.youtube.com/user/wolfeaglenetwork

I have saved some interesting news reports and astronauts sharing their
experience with UFO's.

I have not seen a UFO however,
I do believe we are not alone.

Wolfeaglenetwork

Posted by: Christina Thompson at April 23, 2008 2:30 AM

Many who witnessed the triangle-shaped ETV did so in the daylight, when it was much easier to define. Estimates range from one to three MILES in diameter. Astronauts and pilots have seen these for many years. Lots of varieties, and by 1989, 57 different alien species had been cataloged. Watch the DISCLOSURE PROJECT on YouTube or Google. It's two hours long, but it will change your opinion, Mr. Ortega. Of course, you are probably being paid to debunk. Too many people have cell phone cameras and videos now. Soon, everyone will have seen at least one, and once you're seen one, you KNOW we are not alone. Ask Steven Spielberg how much of Close Encounters of the Third Kind was real. As I recall, it was about 80%. You thought MIB was funny? I know someone who worked the 'clean-up' after events to remove every trace and provide cover stories. ET's have underwater bases on earth and other bases in our own solar system. Some saucers are electromagnetic. At Roswell WE interrupted the field and MADE two saucers crash. Hundreds of witnesses saw and handled debris. A few saw the bodies. Men who lied to cover it up all their lives had deathbed confessions that the event at Roswell was real. Study. Learn. Get ready to welcome them, because if we are to survive the next five years, we will all need their help. DEMAND OPEN CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS. Yesterday was "Earth Day" and the saddest part, to me, is that we haven't needed fossil fuels for anything but lubrication for over 60 years. We are being forced to pay $4/gal for gasoline we don't need. Where's my saucer? I don't want to use roads anymore!

Posted by: Jaime at April 23, 2008 3:09 AM

Regardless of the UFO question:

You cannot "track" an aircraft with a telescope. It is an utterly ridiculous, incredibly stupid suggestion.

That aspect of the article is stupid beyond belief. Incredibly silly.

(The comments posted about tracking *spacecraft* with a telescope have utterly no relationship, whatsoever, to tracking aircraft.)


Posted by: John May at April 23, 2008 3:29 AM

It’s only human nature. People are skeptics until they see something up close and personal. I was a skeptic until I had my own extraordinary experience in 1964. Later, when I tried to explain it to others, they wanted to argue and discredit what they’ve never seen. So, now I keep it to myself.
My philosophy professor was right when he said, “Never argue with a fool, for a fool is unwilling to listen to reason.”

Posted by: Robert at April 23, 2008 4:00 AM

Watch the video from this site, it explains a lot.

http://tinyurl.com/5clfml

Posted by: anonymous at April 23, 2008 5:21 AM

Gosh, I didn't realize four flares could hover in mid-air, in perfect formation, for a solid fifteen minutes. The wonder.

Posted by: nonskeptic at April 23, 2008 8:54 AM

When I was stationed in the Azores when I was in the Air Force. During night shift, I was outside and saw a light moving in the sky like no aircraft could. I called the tower and asked if the navy was shooting rockets, etc.. offshore. They called me back later and said that it was a weather balloon launched by the navy. That would explain the radical movements that the light was taking (air currents). I didn't know that weather balloons were launched at night with a light attached. Does anyone know if they would attach multiple lights, or launch several ballooins at once at night for weather checks?

Posted by: Sam B. at April 23, 2008 9:02 AM

It happened again last night! That's two nights in a row. I saw the ones in 97, but missed the last two nights. All the videos people took are all over, even national news, its crazy! And about the flare theory... the gov't actually did a test out here in AZ to "prove" their theory, but the flares looked nothing like the lights did over the city, either time.

Posted by: Sara at April 23, 2008 9:04 AM

Tony,

your article is pure garbage just on the fact that you don't know that an airplane cannot be tracked with a high powered telescope. Maybe you should buy one and try to look at the space station.. or the moon as far as that goes, I think you would learn a good lesson.

Posted by: wumpyny at April 23, 2008 9:20 AM

Man, there sure are a lot of dumb, gullible people in Phoenix.

Posted by: Frank at April 23, 2008 11:27 AM

It was flares attached to helium balloons released by some dikhole in phx. You people really are mentally retarded. The natural and inherent desire to seek a higher power exists because of God, not martians...morons.

Posted by: YourMom at April 23, 2008 11:54 AM

I live in Florida and in 2005 Me and two freinds saw something very similar to what others have seen. The lights were in a V formation moving left to right. I have never seen an aircraft move like this before in my life. I'm not saying it was an alien craft but it was very odd. The lights were near hulburt field and Eglin AFB, Not one plane came to observe this.....

And for the people who think we are alone in this massive universe get real!!! there are billions upon billions of stars and we know for a fact some have planets around them. not saying they have life but if we are here why wouldnt anybody else be???? Maybe the goverment is holdong it back because most people can not handle the truth.
Stop being ignorant Tony and realize God made the heavens for a reason and if you were him/her would you really just want to watch earth????

I'm for the eye witnesses it may not be what we think but we saw what we saw!! period!

Posted by: TW at April 23, 2008 12:23 PM

there are a few 'news' stories on this about how someone saw their 'neighbour' launching a helium baloon with flares on it before the sightings started. this sounds like a piece of disinfo propoganda to me. If you look at the footage there is no way flares on a baloon will move in and out of formation changing shapes so fluidly and not leave any smoke or trailing debris. its a rediculous explanation and the only reason for positing it is fear of your comfy little world crashing down around you. which in my opinion is what this closed-minded inept governmentally controlled 'news' media organisation-run country needs. these kind of sightings are only going to occur more and more and eventually the debunking theories will seem so ludicrous in light of what is actually happening people will have to believe. unfortunately after watching what passes for 'objective reporting' in this country I can't see the 'news' accurately reporting the common man's belief and agreement in the unknown-ness of these events now or in the future.

Posted by: chris at April 23, 2008 1:37 PM

Folks,

Excerpt about Mitchell by ortega!!! back on 1997

"Mitch Stanley spends many a night in his back yard with his telescope, scanning the sky at night for anything unusual. The night of the Phoenix Lights, Mitch was in his back yard. His mother saw the mystical lights coming over the horizon and asked Mitch what they were, he replied, "Planes." Mitch says that it was very clear to him that they were light, private planes. When asked why he didn't stare at them for longer he responded, "They were just planes, I didn't want to look at them." Assured at the certainty in her sons voice, his mother said that she didn't even bother looking in the scope at the "planes." The Stanley's tried to get Mitch's story out, but when they tried to contact somebody, they never received any notification back. When confronted about the calls, many of the contacts claimed that they had lost their phone number. Mitch says he only saw planes, but thousands say they saw something different. (Ortega, 1997)"

What stands out is this... he mom say the lights first, he admits not looking at the lights very long and his mom didnt even look through a telescope to verify what here son saw! These are Tony's word!!!

Posted by: whylieaboutit at April 23, 2008 2:11 PM

Poorly written article on many levels. This guy has no idea what it was but is breaking it down like he's got the inside track on it all. You've failed to convince me it was any of your hypotheses or that any of your suggestions would have solved the mystery. Do you follow this subject? If you do then you might want to publish another more well researched article on this ongoing phenomenon.

Posted by: Sean at April 23, 2008 2:45 PM

UFOs are NOT "big business." There is no real money to be made investigating and/or writing about UFOs. This is a myth brought about by those who have no knowledge of the phenomenon and the people who research it. If you want to make money, doing UFO television shows is not the way to go...you would be better off selling flowers down by the highway off ramp.

Posted by: Tim at April 23, 2008 3:11 PM

All of you people are goofy. Given the video technology that exists today, the exponential increase in zoom and image stabilization technology, why can't anyone on this earth produce anything better than the shaky images that get released time after time?

I'm not saying there's no intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe, but until I see quality images and video that doesn't look like someone with Parkinson's is shooting it, I'll start to believe.

Posted by: Curtis at April 23, 2008 3:38 PM

how can we say anything from what's true or not. so many things unknown and covered up by government. if the people truely knew every secret and truth there would be no control as the gov says they do. come on people do you really think we are the only living thing on one planet? be real........be honest with yourself..... everyone has a deep feeling of something whether you believe it's true or not we all have a sense of something whether it's heaven or hell, ufo's, etc..... we i believe are not alone......

Posted by: miracle at April 23, 2008 6:21 PM

The easiest explanation is that a still secret heavy lift balloon was in trouble over Phoenix and the airforce scambled and dropped flares to protect it by distraction.

Heavy lift balloons have been rumored for years. They'd be very large, silent and like nothing you had ever seen. They would probably be hard to track on radar.

I've noticed that frequently after large triangular craft have been reported
(Illinois, Phoenix, Stephensville) military jets have appeared and flares have been dropped. Hmmm.

So why keep huge capacity, silent, radar evading craft a secret? Isn't stealth the whole point?

Posted by: Owlman at April 23, 2008 10:00 PM

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