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UPDATE: Sean Bell Cops Not Guilty on All Counts As City Reacts

Posted at 11:18 AM, April 25, 2008

UPDATE: 11:18 am

By Sean Gardiner and Michael Clancy

The three detectives charged in the shooting death of Sean Bell, gunned down outside Club Kalua in a hail of 50 NYPD bullets on the eve of his wedding, walked out of court free men this morning as Justice Arthur J. Cooperman returned a verdict of not guilty on all counts.

Noting the unreliability of prosecution witnesses, through their renunciations and inconsistent statements, past criminal convictions and motivation to lie on on the stand, Cooperman acquitted the cops, saying "These factors played a significant part in the people's ability to prosecute their case and had the effect of eviscerating the credibility of the people's witnesses....at times the testimony just didn't make sense. "

Referring to the departmental and even federal charges the officers may face, Cooperman continued "questions of carelessness and incompetence must be left to other forums." As the judge finished his verdict, Nicole Paultre Bell, Bell's fiancee and widow, stood up immediately and walked out of the courtroom as Bell's father buried his head in hands sitting in silence as a friend comforted him.

About one hundred people—and three times as many cops—gathered outside State Supreme Court in Kew Gardens as police and news choppers buzzed overhead. PBA president Pat Lynch was the first to react to reporters, saying this "was a case where there is no winner and no losers, we still had a death that occurred... we still had officers who had to deal with that death."

As an angry crowd nearly drowned him out with screams of "Murderers," Lynch added that the verdict sent a message to New York City police officers that says "you will get fairness" which was important to officers out on patrol because "there is never a script... we have to deal with circumstances as they come."

Bell's family and friends—including shooting the Rev. Al Sharpton, attorney Sanford Rubenstein and shooting victim Joseph Guzman who wore a soft cast on his right leg and a white T-shirt emblazoned with a sparkly silver "Sean Bell's Boys" logo—walked past the assembled media without comment.

Carrying banners that said "50 Shots" and "Justice for Sean Bell," many Bell supporters chanted "Racist Cops You Can't Hide, We Charge You with Genocide” as one small scuffle broke out when a Bell supporter took exception to a reporter's question.

Calling for possible federal civil rights charges for the involved officers, Leroy Gadsden, of the Jamaica chapter of the NAACP, told WNBC Channel 4. "This is court is bankrupt when it comes to people of color."

In a prepared statement, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said "“There are no winners in a trial like this. An innocent man lost his life, a bride lost her groom, two daughters lost their father, and a mother and a father lost their son. No verdict could ever end the grief that those who knew and loved Sean Bell suffer. Judge Cooperman’s responsibility, however, was to decide the case based on the evidence presented in the courtroom. America is a nation of laws, and though not everyone will agree with the verdicts and opinions issued by the courts, we accept their authority. Today’s decision is no different. There will be opportunities for peaceful dissent and potentially for further legal recourse – those are the rights we enjoy in a democratic nation. We don’t expect violence or law-breaking, nor is there any place for it. We have come too far as society – and as a City – to be dragged back to those days.

“When I spoke with Nicole Paultre Bell on the steps of City Hall this week, I told her that while we can’t bring back the man that she was in love with, we can and will build and make things better. She replied ‘Yes, and make sure it doesn’t happen again,’ and I agreed, ‘Yes, that’s exactly what we have to do.’ All of us have a responsibility to improve our neighborhoods and our City, and we can only do that by working together, respecting each other, and doing everything possible to prevent future tragedies and injustices.”

A week into the trial, in "The Sean Bell Curveball For Cops on Trial," Sean Gardiner reported that many legal observers were puzzled by some of the strategies employed by prosecutors working for Queens DA Richard Brown.

"A week into the trial of three cops in the Sean Bell case, the prosecutors' theory that two of the cops were "acting in concert" when the bridegroom was gunned down in a hail of police bullets is striking a sour note with some observers.

For Judge Arthur Cooperman, who's hearing the case without a jury, to convict on the top counts of first- and second-degree manslaughter, he'd have to believe "that they planned it and they all had the same mind-set," says veteran defense attorney Marvyn Kornberg. "And that's ludicrous."

If anything, the prosecutors undercut their own theory during the first week of the trial by stressing the lack of planning by the accused officers' unit on the night of the shooting and the chaos that followed."

Bell was laid to rest on December 1, 2006 in service marked with both with great sadness and anger.

In "Guns Gone Wild," an examination of the frequency with which cops fire their weapons, and NYPD tactics in the wake of the Bell slaying, some observers questioned the efficacy of deploying details of detectives to stake out a two-bit strip club in Jamaica, Queens.

"Eugene O'Donnell, a former NYPD cop and prosecutor who is now a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, calls such initiatives "overpolicing." "What are these cops doing in a strip bar in Jamaica at four in the morning listening to trash talk?" O'Donnell says. "You've got alcohol and drugs being used and then you have cops bringing firearms and deadly force into the picture. So you have trouble. . . . We've got to stop overpolicing everything."

comments

Good. I'm Happy with the verdict. I believe that the incident is unfortunate and that nobody should have died in this event. However, there is no reason to cry racism and unfair treatment towards the black community. Sean Bell and his associates were known criminally misguided people who hung around a drug haven and were just out to start trouble that night, and allegedly were looking for sex with prostitutes. The officers acted accordingly when threatened by Bell and the others in the car. Also the police had much reason to believe they were unarmed. If Bell and the rest were not guilty of anything, why flee and act aggressively.
In the city there are more than 10,000 black on black crimes related to murder each year and they all go un-protested and un-noticed by the media, but as soon as there is a police related death against someone in the black community who had it coming because of his actions, it is a racial injustice and controversy.

Posted by: brian at April 25, 2008 9:46 AM

Our Justice system is definitely broken. I had a gut-feeling the judge was going to render a not guilty decision. This is the primary reason why they chose to have the judge render the decision instead of allowing justice to prevail with a jury trial. There is no way of justifying shooting an unarmed man 50 times.

Posted by: Ronnie Walker at April 25, 2008 9:58 AM

The commenter Brian's words are infuriating on a few levels but the over arching point is that no one should be shot at that many times by police officers in bullet proof vests. 50 times!

Posted by: Iyabo at April 25, 2008 10:02 AM

I am very displease with the outcome of this case. I feel it an office job and duty to protect and server the people not kill them. It was no reason for thoes officers to shoot as many times as they did.

Posted by: at April 25, 2008 10:02 AM

Well you can be happy but im pissed off. The victims should have been searched before any shots were fired.And trust there will be a huge retaliation so I doubt that they'll e in NY. It was his bachelor party so all him and his friends were doing were having a good time. That man had a family and now these asshole cops have their jobs back!!!Wow thats a huge disgrace that dumb ass judge is putting the city at huge risk they could have at least lost there jobs.

Posted by: at April 25, 2008 10:04 AM

Well Brian, you will be very happy with the federally run police state once its in full swing.

This is but a step on a road we've been on for a long time.

"In the city there are more than 10k black on black..." et al. The feds wants you to THINK of it as a racial thing to distract the people from the fact that its a suppression thing. We ALL are being taught to not resist police action OF ANY KIND or the consequences will be the same--overabundant force of compliance with no redress in the court.

There are also inumerous harrassment cases that one hears about that do not revolve around race (you tube). The police are too military and are becoming our state-sanctioned keepers.

We'll see more of this before we see less and it won't be racially based.

Are you a "person" or are you just one of "the people"? That will decide your fate in court and in police contact. Just ask the TSA and DHS. You think local law inforcement is ammune?

Posted by: mick at April 25, 2008 10:06 AM

AT BRIAN:

". . . who had it coming . . ."

Please explain. Where I'm from, this phrase means that he deserved death. Do you believe he deserved death?

Posted by: N D at April 25, 2008 10:06 AM

To Brian I only pray you're never in such an position. It does not take 50 shots, and as police officers if that's the only way you know how to handle things then you are definitely in the wrong profession. Brian as for you all I have to say you need JESUS in your life.

Posted by: Roslyn at April 25, 2008 10:16 AM

Brian is def smoking some good stuff.

Those cops i hope get killed. How the hell do you shoot at people 50 times?

THATS UNCALLED FOR!!!

Posted by: REAL6 at April 25, 2008 10:18 AM

I am extremely appalled at the verdict in the Sean Bell trial as well as to the above comment posted by brian. In first adressing the verdict in the Sean Bell trial; i cannot fathom how an intelligent human being can aquit these officers on all counts, especially as it relates to recklass endargement.
Lets start with the obvious 1) 50 bullets
2) the officers were Under the influence of alcohol & 3)They did not identify themselves as officers (as stated by several witness unrelated to Sean Bell). Now let me ask a question did the officers every have a plan to arrest the suspects? if so why wait untill they were in their car? Or why not follw the men in a police car and pull them over with flashing lights? why not identify yourself? why approach the car with guns drawn? This My friends at the very least is reckless endangerment. Now as to the actions as it relates to Sean Bell. 1) IF GUNS WERE PULLED ON ANYONE INSIDE A CAR WHAT WOULD BE THE LOGICAL THING TO DO? would'nt you run or try to hit them with your car? 2)they were drinking. yes, so what do you do in a bar/stripclub, have water? shouldnt the officers expect men in bars to be drinking? I am not saying the men were not rowdy inside the club, i would expect that, however it is my belief that an officers job is to "serve and protect tne innocent". and secondly i am under the asinine impression that one is innocent until proven guilty. if this is true should'nt the officers have used restraintm, or have a plan of action as it relates to entering a stripclub to arrest what they believe are people participating in a prostitution ring. shouldnt the officers have a duty to protect the people who might be their to have a "good time" or enjoy their last day as a single man? but the officers could not do that because they were just as drunk as the patrons in the bar. Lastly as it relates to The above comment. i dont believe that the sean bell case is a race issue (two of the officers involved in the shooting are black). however, i do believe it is a color issue. Cop's who hide behind the color of their uniform BLUE. As was the case in Rodney King (aquital), Amadu Dialo (aquital) and to much more to mension.

Posted by: Jason at April 25, 2008 10:26 AM

My dear poor misguided, misinformed BRIAN. Your statement, your words and your tone scream that Sean Bell and his friends were "drug dealing/using nigg*s,who deserved what they got" and the cops were just doing their job.
Brian your statement is proof that "nigg**rs"aka ignorance" COMES IN ALL COLORS.

Posted by: meeka at April 25, 2008 10:29 AM

This is horrible! Those were the words that came to mind when I heard the verdict.Even after all this time there is still no justice. I know that race shouldn't have anything to do with it but, deep down I know that it is the main issue. How unfair that a man should die and leave a family behind and there be no righteousness. Even if the actions of the cops were "careless" and not reckless as the judge so effortlessly put it they should have been judged on that fact and been thrown in jail. The way the trial ended you would think no one got shot or a loved didn't die. What kind of world would this be if every time a drunk driver killed someone in an ACCIDENT and it was called "careless" or if a child was abused by a pedophile that is is called being "careless" this is very unfair. My heart goes out to the family.

Posted by: Iniquitous at April 25, 2008 10:31 AM

I think this verdict is horrible. Everyone knows these cops are in the wrong and that they should be in jail for life. So how did this verdict even happen. And yes brian IS a mess.

Posted by: Ricardo Lopez at April 25, 2008 10:31 AM

I think this verdict is horrible. Everyone knows these cops are in the wrong and that they should be in jail for life. So how did this verdict even happen. And yes brian IS a mess.

Posted by: Ricardo Lopez at April 25, 2008 10:31 AM

Brian is an idiot!

Posted by: at April 25, 2008 10:31 AM

These cops were not guilty and it was a travesty this went this far. It's too bad there's not a way that the city can reimburse them for all the emotional trauma they've had to go through for the past year and a half. I'm sure they'll be the usual cacaphony of protest here from people who have already shown they can barely spell their own names, but that's to be expected. (btw, 'cacaphony' means a lot of noise. It is what's called a 'metaphor.')

Posted by: Arthur at April 25, 2008 10:32 AM

Brian lets get some facts straight.

1. The cops had no clue about anyone's criminal record until after they were dead and/or shot and arrested. There is no way that can justify their murder.

2. Men at a bachelor party, trying to celebrate with their friend, and trying to get laid, is as American as apple pie. And again, is no justification to be murdered by police.

3. The police had no reason to believe the men were armed.

4. They tried to flee because a man approached their car with a gun, and never identified himself, the victim said so from his hospital bed directly after the shooting while being interviewed by detectives.

Brian, thank you for exposing yourself as a racist, as you make the outrageous claim that these young men 'had it coming' because they were at a bachelor party.

Posted by: Kai at April 25, 2008 10:33 AM

We been covering Sean Bell's case over at Highbrid Nation from the start and when I read today that the police officers were aquitted I was in serious disbelief. An unarmed man was shot 50 times and the people who did it are not responsible at all!? That's crazy.

Posted by: Mike Belgrove at April 25, 2008 10:34 AM

Bloomberg's statement that we live in a nation of justice and laws is just a travesty. There are clearly two sets of laws in this country and New Yorkers need to act if we want to change that.

Posted by: history is a weapon at April 25, 2008 10:35 AM

Brian has to be one of the most ignorant people in America.I feel sorry for him that he truly believes all of what he says. I feel sorry for the fact that one day he will be let down by the govt and finally see what everyone else has been saying. Brian, no one deserves to be shot 50 times. It shows how truly inhumane you are to say that he had it coming. I wish that this country stood for what is right. I wish that I could believe in a system that was meant to bring justice. I wish that I could believe that anybody in power gave a damn about the little people. Bc Sean was not Martin Luther King or someone of that stature he will not get the attention that is due to this case. Which is ashame, bc whenever there is an unspeakable crime against anyone black, white, asian or otherwise, it should get attention. It should make Americans sick to know that the powers that be are the ones who are letting this happen. Is this the kind of world we want to live in? I certainly do not.

Posted by: rebecca at April 25, 2008 10:36 AM

Oh and Brian.
As it relates to your comment on black on black crime. I, as a proud black man, acknowledge the problem. However, that does not meen all black people are criminials nor does it give the police a right to treat us as such. As it relates to your comment on Sean bell and his friends "looking for trouble." i must say WHAT! Drinking at a strip club regardless of how you feel IS A LAWFULL act. NO laws were broken. Secondly, you must realize the men were shot in their car leaving the club to go home. another lawfull act, no strippers or prostitutes were present. this my friend is not looking for trouble. secondly being in or going to a neighborhood that is known as dangerous is not against the law. i do so everyday am i a criminal looking for trouble. so again i say to your comment. WHAT?

Posted by: Jason at April 25, 2008 10:38 AM

Brian is a moron who should graduate from high school before posting ignorant comments.. See its people like the poster brian thats wrong with America, he is the typical white trash raised by inbred parents who probably beat him as a child while his mother whored herself out for drug money.. Brian can't help the fact his mom and dad were brother and sister, and his broken family left him alone and bitter... don't worry brian is unloved by everybody and will die alone .. as his soul is dragged to hell where he belongs

Posted by: jim shoe at April 25, 2008 10:38 AM

Fuck You Brian! You have no clue what you are talkking about. Go read a book and gain some knowledge before you write ignorant statements.

Posted by: Greg at April 25, 2008 10:39 AM

It's one thing to say that the "not guilty" verdict is "warranted..." (which I don't believe to be true, AT ALL.) But it's another thing to respond with a sentiment like..."Good. I'm Happy with the verdict." That underlying tone of complete disdain for the lives of these young men is what smells of racism to me; both your tone, "Brian," and the tone of the media and the privileged citizen that is covering and commenting on this case.

Your message is contradictory...In one sentence you say..."I believe that the incident is unfortunate and that nobody should have died in this event..." If nobody SHOULD have died, but someone did, then of course, SOMEONE is responsible. Are you saying that it's THE VICTIM'S fault that they were shot? You're probably the type that would place blame on a young woman that wore a short skirt after being raped. When someone is a victim, it is not appropriate to blame them or their prior actions. In this situation...the fact stands...THEY WERE UNARMED.

You know....it's interesting...Whenever Black people (specifically, young black men) are victims of a senseless crime at the hands of another privileged group, the media and the general white population, finds it necessary to drudge up the "seedy" past of said individuals. My question is...When a life is LOST...or when a life is TAKEN, what does their past have to do with it...Who cares if they were there to find prostitutes; or if they were involved with drug dealers? With that line of thinking and logic, it would be fair to say that all drug dealers and their associates and men that look for prostitutes should be shot to death at the hands of the Police: those that are set to protect and serve.

Needless to say, i do not agree with the verdict. I am a very logical and reasonable young black man that thinks that "Brian's" logic, and the logic of many privileged (in the historical sense, not in the financial sense) people in the United States is what contributes to verdicts like this. My underlying concern: Why are black lives worth less than DOG'S lives? Michael Vic kills unarmed and precious dogs, he's in jail. Cops shoot an unarmed and to-be-wed groom, and they are scott free.

Regardless of race, creed, religion, etc...you HAVE to see something wrong with that...

Sincerely,

B.K.M.

Posted by: Brooklyn Mike at April 25, 2008 10:45 AM

It's easy to "Monday-morning-quarterback". These cops were attempting to confront four men who we now know are/were CAREER CRIMINALS. When you use your vehicle as WEAPON (i.e. striking a police officer) the police are going to defend themselves by stopping the threat. In responce to the comment "they should have searched the suspects"... The Police were attempting to confront the four men when they were attacked! I doubt any of the above commenters know the stress of a shooting situation, the inevitable tunnel vision that occurs, and the "in fear for your life" senstation. You can deify sean bell all you want.. his criminal history speaks volumes. the only lack of justice in this case was when the police were indicted. God Bless NYPD for keep YOU and ME safe.

Posted by: KD at April 25, 2008 10:51 AM

I think Brian and KD's comments are right on. We need to revere our cops. And when they make one error of judgement when they are confronted w/ career criminals and scumbags every day of their lives, we need to keep things in perspective. Of course it's sad that someone had to die. But how many cops are killed and you never see an outpouring of outrage like this.

Posted by: JW at April 25, 2008 11:20 AM

KD, no one will understand how crooked law enforcement can be until someone in their family is effected by their corrupt ways. Most cops have a blue collar, hateful attitude, they are upset at the world because they don't make much money, and many do illegal things to live "nice". Im not shocked at the verdict, bigotry, sexism, and violence is American as Apple Pie, our country feeds off this behavior, we enjoy oppressing the down trodden group.

Posted by: ignorance is bliss at April 25, 2008 11:24 AM

I loathe people who make fruitless comments in effort to get attention...It's pathetic really.

Posted by: Erica at April 25, 2008 12:08 PM

Brian, KD and JW are all complete idiots. How can you say that those cops were justified in shooting 50 times? It seems to me that too many police officers today hide behind their badges. There is not justification in these officers actions. The reality is that what they did was a crime. They should all be punished for that! Can you tell me that Sean Bell deserved to die? Can you tell me that his children deserve to grow up without their father?

The law is suppose to protect us. How dare anyone say that those police officers should have gotten off. It's funny how you can say such a thing, but I ask you this, would you still feel the same way had such a thing happend to your son, fiancee, or father? I doubt that! The fact is that if that were the case you would be shouting from the rooftops for justice. The same justice that should have been given to Sean Bells family.

Posted by: at April 25, 2008 12:24 PM

These cops were not guilty and it was a travesty this went this far. It's too bad there's not a way that the city can reimburse them for all the emotional trauma they've had to go through for the past year and a half. I'm sure they'll be the usual cacaphony of protest here from people who have already shown they can barely spell their own names, but that's to be expected. (btw, 'cacaphony' means a lot of noise. It is what's called a 'metaphor.')

Posted by: Arthur at April 25, 2008 10:32 AM

Arthur,
It's much more effective when attempting to demean the intelligence of a group of people that you say can barely "spell their own names" to at least be able to spell yourself. (btw, 'cacaphony' is spelled c-a-c-o-p-h-o-n-y. It's what's called "correct spelling")

Posted by: Michael at April 25, 2008 12:24 PM

I THINK THE ALL OF THOSE COPS SHOULD BE FOUND GUILTY NO MATTER WHAT THEIR RACE IS. THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE WRONG FOR ALL OF THOSE SHOTS. HOW THE HELL YOU ARE GOING TO RELOAD YOUR GUN ON A ASSUMPTION? NOT KNOWING FACTUAL WHERE SHOTS ARE COMING FROM. THEY JUST SEEN NIGGA AND SAID YES! AS FOR THE BLACK COP, HIS DUMB ASS JUST WANTED TO BE PART OF THE CLICK TO PROVE THAT HE WAS A COP AND DIDN'T WANT THEM TO KICK HIS ASS. BUT ALSO TODAY HALF THE COPS ARE CROOKED ANYWAY. THEY ALL LIE AND STEAL. BUT COMMA IN A MOTHER. AND AS FOR THE JUDGE, WE ALL KNOW THAT MOST JUDGES WORK FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ANYWAY. THATS HOW THEY NEVER PAY TICKETS AND GET AWAY WITH BRIVES AND FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T CROOKED, THEY ARE SCARED OF THE COPS AND THEIR HARRASMENT.BRIAN JUST SIT BACK AND WATCH WHO OVER THE COURSE OF THIS ENTIRE ORDEAL WILL WIN. IT'S CALLED CIVIL SUIT.AND YOUR DUMB ASS WILL SUFFER FROM YOUR COMMENT IN THE LONG RUN. GOD HAS THE FINAL SAY SO. NOT YOU,I OR THEM.

Posted by: SWEET DEE, N.Y.C. at April 25, 2008 12:26 PM

I am totally apalled,I am stunned by this verdict.Question?( Is this revenge for the O.J. verdict?)How in the world can they be acquitted on ALL charges,when there is definitely evidence of malice,negligence,and total disregard for the law they were supposed to uphold. This is not Dodge City or The Wild West,that`s not the way we handle things nowadays. Whatever happened to all the training the cops received especially after the previous instances where they were in the wrong. I`m sick and tired of people being profiled for their past, this man was about to get married.That`s a step in the right direction, but no all they see is another black man with questionable alliances. My brother was murdered two weeks after he got married and he was doing shady things (drug-dealing)and that led to his death. It was black-on-black crime and I guess he wasn`t ready for life yet. Yet Sean Bell didn`t even get the chance to start a new life,i.e.,"turn over a new leaf". Marriage might have been the starting point for a better way but it was taken from him. The fact that is was taken away in such a violent manner is shocking but what is more shocking is that it wasn`t taken due to black-on-black crime,but that it was ANOTHER "black&whites(slang for cops)on black crime. Your habits become your character N.Y.P.D..

Posted by: kevhar12 at April 25, 2008 12:28 PM

I am totally apalled,I am stunned by this verdict.Question?( Is this revenge for the O.J. verdict?)How in the world can they be acquitted on ALL charges,when there is definitely evidence of malice,negligence,and total disregard for the law they were supposed to uphold. This is not Dodge City or The Wild West,that`s not the way we handle things nowadays. Whatever happened to all the training the cops received especially after the previous instances where they were in the wrong. I`m sick and tired of people being profiled for their past, this man was about to get married.That`s a step in the right direction, but no all they see is another black man with questionable alliances. My brother was murdered two weeks after he got married and he was doing shady things (drug-dealing)and that led to his death. It was black-on-black crime and I guess he wasn`t ready for life yet. Yet Sean Bell didn`t even get the chance to start a new life,i.e.,"turn over a new leaf". Marriage might have been the starting point for a better way but it was taken from him. The fact that is was taken away in such a violent manner is shocking but what is more shocking is that it wasn`t taken due to black-on-black crime,but that it was ANOTHER "black&whites(slang for cops)on black crime. Your habits become your character N.Y.P.D..

Posted by: kevhar12 at April 25, 2008 12:32 PM

brian you fucking retart doo to helll .. no 1 deserves to die.. and even if he was guilty no 1 deserves 50 bullets .. soo go take a walk u racist bastard

Posted by: sammy at April 25, 2008 12:48 PM

Don't get hungup on the number of shots. Once the first is let go, and unless you see no further danger, you keep squeezing. It's the first shot that needs to be examined and explained, not the 50th.

Posted by: truth at April 25, 2008 12:53 PM

What a senseless waste of life. What makes it worse is that the men who are responsible are off without just punishment. It's no wonder so many people of color consider the USA to be a racist and inconsiderate land, where rich white people are the rule of law and those with black, brown, red, and yellow skin are second class citizens.

Posted by: johnwilliam at April 25, 2008 1:06 PM

none of us were there at 4am. if it is true that mr. bell attempted to run over the officers with his vehicle then there must be some allowance made for the officers to stop this attack. if you or i were in imminent danger of being run over my an automobile we would react by attempting to stop the vehicle. in this case bullets were fired.

the fact that race is drug into this at all is a telling and unfortunate circumstance. the judge adjudicated the case by the facts and we now have a verdict. is there no way to leave race and politics out of it.

Posted by: roger at April 25, 2008 1:06 PM

I was living in Southern California when the cops who were caught on tape beating Rodney King were acquited and I remember the outrage I felt. Fast forward to now and many events in between, and what I've come to realize is that the courts and the cops are sleeping in the same bed. It's not about right and wrong, which is where we Americans would like to turn our attention. It's about loyalty and favors that must be adhered to between cops and courts. It's a wash my back, I'll wash yours relationship. Neither side wants to be in the doghouse at the end of the day so they continue to please each other and stroke egos in order to keep their place in the bed. Love it or Hate, it's the reality. I choose to HATE it with a passion.

Posted by: Michael at April 25, 2008 1:12 PM

kevhar: " Question?( Is this revenge for the O.J. verdict?) "

this must be the most ignorant thing i have read on this thread.

Posted by: roger at April 25, 2008 1:18 PM

The decision is clear. Al Sharpton is a racist. Anything happens to the black community, he has to stick his nosy biz in eventhough it is clear that Sean Bell drove his car into the cops first. I would have reacted the same way. If it was in your case, you don't even have time to take your badge out and identify yourself to these criminals.

Posted by: GoJutive at April 25, 2008 1:22 PM

I think it is horrible what happened to Bell and I feel horrible for his little girl. The blame for this mess goes to the lawyers and of course our good friend Al Sharpton. Anybody, even a six year old could have gotten these cops put in jail for 25 to life. Al Sharpton brought in the media which made it all up to the judge to exonerate or convict. Those Dickhead lawyers for Bell put his idiot friends on the stand. The results were inevitable.

Posted by: at April 25, 2008 1:25 PM

This is my third comment on this blog, because i am absolutely shocked and outraged by some of the comments that have been posted. Epecially the comments posted by Brian and KD, and to those that agree and support their rediculousness.

YES we as law abbiding citizens appreciate what good and upstanding cops do everyday to keep the innocent safe; in the same manner we can appreciate those serving our country oversees. however, this appreciation should not depreciate our sense of justice and responsibility to those who have been treated unjustly by those who have sworn to serve, protect, and most importantly uphold the law.

In addressing the issue of the victims being of or of having criminal intentions or a crimanal past. In keeping an objective and open mind SMOKING MARIJUANA is not in my mind the same as SHOOTING an un armed man. And if one is so interested in Mr. bells past lets take a closer look. He now in his late twenties decides to commit himself to a wife and a daughter. he had a steady job to support his new family. That my friend sounds like a man who made a decision to try and do the right thing by his family.

In regards to the officers and their attempt to justify 50 bullets. i understand that police officers sometimes have to make life or death decisions. however, you must understand that none of these officers were novices at their jobs. they were well tenured "professionals" chosen by the department to carry out a operation. this operation was to find and capture persons "suspected" to be linked to a prostitution ring. Should'nt these professionals have a plan for carrying out their assingment? should'nt this plan include no drinking, as drinking impairs judgement. Should'nt their attempt to aprehend a suspect include identifying oneself as a police officer. Why were no badges drawn with the guns? Just Guns? Why follow the men outside the club when you had the opportunity to arrest them in the club? why wait till all the men were in the car?


Lastly, yes we acknowldege that there was a confrontation inside of the club (words and threats were exchanged). Fine. but the shooting happened outside the club as the men attempted to leave! this does not sound like men interested in continuing a brawl or fight. this to me sounds like people who said they have more important things to worry about than some idiots in a strip club (perhaps a wedding?).

When we as human beings simply analyze the facts of the case. i cannot under any circumstances see how these men are innocent of reckless endagerment at the very least.

Now for speculation. this to me sounds like a fight happened in the club and a hot headed officer did not want to end the fight so he confronted the men as they were attempting to leave, but this time with a gun drawn. thats when things got out of control. So the men got scared and tried to hit him. other officers at the seen immediatley started firing and did not stop until the car stoped moving.
The men in the car scared and confused try getting away but to no avail.

Even in my speculation with the best case scenario for the officers their is a big hole. If we look at the position of the car when the shooting ended it was in the street. now a car legally parked. cannot come out from a parallel parked position (between two cars) to attempt hitting a officer when there is a hail of 50 shots. this says the men were already in the street driving away when the officer came at them with guns. so my question is Why? why not follow them in your car with flashing lights and pull them over? but all logic goes out the window when your drunk. does'nt it


i have no doubt that things got out of control quickly. but the fact that the officers did not use caution to aprehend the suspects, nor did they identify themselve, nor were they sober. i have to ask again if the fight was in the club why wait untill they were in the car leaving to make an arrest? Says to me guilty.


(to see other facts and points made in the case see my first two blogs)

Posted by: Jason at April 25, 2008 1:29 PM

Jason, you should have been the lawyer. People that protest think that the conviction should be obvious, but the reason why lawyers (good ones at least) are expensive is that they get the job done. They clearly did not in this case, but they will probably still get paid a hefty sum. Let's see 350/hour for 8 weeks....???

Posted by: at April 25, 2008 1:37 PM

MY LAST BLOG FOR THE DAY IS THIS.... ALL THE MEN IN THE CAR WITH SEAN BELL WERE UNARMED!!!

THAT SHOULD SPEAK VOLUMES


Sincerly,

Jason Brown

Posted by: Jason at April 25, 2008 1:40 PM

Jason...The men in the car scared and confused try getting away but to no avail is not an excuse. They were scared and confused and then started driving the vehicle toward the police? The police didn't make the arrest in the club since there were many people inside and if there were a gun fight, it would cause harm to other innocent people.

Posted by: GoJutive at April 25, 2008 1:44 PM

it's funny how everyone is and wants to be presumed inocent in this country exept if your a police officer of any color just out doing your job.And your presented with the question you last want to answer is my life in jeopardy am i going to die.Remember you only have two tenths of a second not only to answer this question but also to react.well you should be able to react to this question without worrying if you are going to jail for the wrong answer.or even worse the cemetery. How many of us civilians would even go to work if we were held to that level of acountability for every decission we made everyday . Also remember in this particular case the officers involveed weren't even white.now i'm pretty sure even the NYPD hasen't been able to brain wash them into ambushing other black men and killing them .They don't even know if they still have jobs ,the punishment by the NYPD hasen't even been handed down yet . Not to mention the fact that you don't even know if these officers can sleep at night or if they have constant nightmares about the whole afair. Iam sorry to say the whole thing is a really bad and unfortunate misstake .And Sean Bell and the occupants of his car His fiance and children and all there families have a lot to deal with .unfortunately so do these officers. Forgivness and understanding is whats needed here on both sides. LOVE don't hate .

Posted by: george at April 25, 2008 1:46 PM

What about attacking the police with running vehicle considered a deadly weapon

Posted by: GoJutive at April 25, 2008 1:47 PM

Jason, you just repeated what the lawyer say. You don't even know what is justice

Posted by: GoJutive at April 25, 2008 1:52 PM

Only in N.Y.(well maybe L.A. too) can the obvious act of callous murder be spun until it becomes an act of tragic heroism. I hear all the time that it is a dangerous job. I've lived in projects and bad neighborhoods, proceeded to walk in strange crime ridden areas when visiting friends, all w/ o kevlar and the aid of a handgun. What is w/ these cowardly police officers and this shoot first mentality? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who watches the watchers? Amadou Diallo, Timothy Stansbury, Sean Bell; all unarmed and killed by cowards. There is no getting around that. If you think the job is so dangerous you are a threat to innocent people, write traffic tickets.

Posted by: George at April 25, 2008 1:59 PM

Brian....
You are soooo sad. But most likely you are white or one of your relatives is a cop. The funny thing is if Sean Bell was a WHITE man those officers would have been up the river fosho!

THE justice system...because you really cant say our...fails us all the time. It would have been better for this incident to happen in the 60s.

One more thing BRIAN...KARMA IS A MUTHERFUCKER....

Posted by: mac at April 25, 2008 2:05 PM

To Brian and anyone who thinks like him.
You must have been there that night to say that Sean bell and his friends were looking for trouble because the only thing that is an actual fact is that the cops emptied thier guns, reloaded and continued to shoot until they shot 50 rounds at people who didn't have a gun to shoot back. that is a fact. The crap coming out of your pea brain is called racism.

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 2:07 PM

To Arthur!!! You are an idiot. You want to sound like a real genius. If that's what your looking for then I hope you feel like a big man, but the things you just wrote about these people who care about the family of a man who was shot 50 times for basically bieng drunk are really words of a coward hiding his racism behind faceless words. Who gives a SHIT about who spelled what wrong. This is about sean bell and his family!!! Can you spell COWARD.

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 2:25 PM

I am very upset at the situation and how the cops were as I would say lead " off the hook" only because they know that if in fact they were guilty and sent off to prison the govt would have to pay alot out of pocket to bail them out so instead they made things easier for themselves. Its unfair and strongly believe they will get what's coming to them

Posted by: lexus at April 25, 2008 2:28 PM

BRIAN GOT IT 100% RIGHT. I'm exhausted listening to the postings here that have Sean Bell and the rest of his crew painted as saints when their rap-sheets were longer than my leg. Then you all second-guess the cops who have a SPLIT SECOND to make a decision. Suddenly, everyone is an expert in police work and knows exactly what the cops saw and heard. I feel terribly for a man losing his life but had he not put himself in this situation (the seedy strip club, the drinking, the thug/tough guy act)he'd be alive today.

Posted by: Steve at April 25, 2008 2:33 PM

I know i said that was the last of my postings. but i must respond to those critizing my analysis of the trial and case as it relates to sean bell.

firstly, we cannot dispute the facts of the case. the case is this a group of 5 police officers went to a club to investigate what they believed to be a prostituiton ring. these same officers while conducting their "investigation" drank (unfortunately we dont know how drunk they were as breathalizers were not administered) and behaved like most men do in strip clubs "like idiots". these officers while at the club somehow got into an argument with the members of sean bells bachelor party. The members of the sean bell party then Left the club walked to their legally parrallel parked car, started their enginge drove into the street. The men in the car were then met by 1-3 officers in the middle of the street with guns drawn. That is fact.

now through several witness statements we can conclude with resonable certanty that the members of Sean bells party left the party to go home. the officers never identified themselves. and the altercation in the club in the minds of sean bell and his friends were over.

Now what happens next is pure speculation as to who fired first or if the car was driven towards the officers first. No side proved the other incorrect.

However, this does not abdicate the officers from their lack of judgement, their hasty decesion making or their gross disregard for public safety. (50 Shots a little Excessive).

i will not revisit the points i already made (please see my blogs above). I will simply say the facts of the case ultimately prove the officers acted, as it relates to the law, with reckless endangerment.

lastly if i dont know what justice is then neither does abdominal louima or amadu diallo or rodney king or the countless others who were, are, and regretably continue to be the victims of gross police neglegence

Posted by: Jason at April 25, 2008 2:42 PM

I'm just a little afraid for my sons future if officers can THINK you have a gun and get acquitted several times.
Picture YOUR son riding along one day, maybe he took a wrong turn into the wrong neighborhood, so he is around a "Kalua type" establishment, and SOMEONE hears SOMEONE say "go and get my gat" . Your son gets out the car to check the address on a building and walks back toward his parking space gets in and as someone approaches his car, gun drawn or not drawn, YOUR SON reaches in his pocket to pull out the address of the place he is looking for.............

Posted by: Justine at April 25, 2008 2:44 PM

4 white cokehead stockbrokers parked in a limo outside the hustler club would not have been shot even if they sent ray kelly himself an email stating they would go get a rocket launcher and attached their arrest records in PDF format.

Posted by: Mike at April 25, 2008 2:53 PM

Bravo! Brian, with so much black on black crime it is no wonder that affluential blacks want to move to primarily white neighborhoods. The police were protecting themselves from unknown perps with an unknown agenda. When they were approached they should have surrendered peacefully, but instead their actions caused an unfortunate death. So, no racism here, but when Al Sharpton gets involved there is always alot of fanfare. Remember Tawana Brawley???

Posted by: Albert at April 25, 2008 2:59 PM

To gojutive: I am not a fan of Mr. Sharpton, but He is a black activist who has come out to speak for Latinos, Asians and Blacks. HE IS A BLACK ACTIVIST.... WHAT ELSE IS HE SUPPOSED TO DO YOU DUMMMY!!!!!

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 3:00 PM

Big Ed....Wait until you got shot in the head and you will call Al Sharpton for help and see if he will show up....HE IS A BLACK ACTIVIST, what has to do with Asian and Latino..I haven't seen him in advocate Asian community or Latino Community. Wake up..!!

Posted by: GoJutive at April 25, 2008 3:14 PM

Mike! That was GOOD!!!!!LOL.

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 3:16 PM

Drunk crimminals tried to run over cops, good riddance to this Bell, too bad they didn't get his "homeboys" also.

I can not believe these cops had to stand trial for doing thier jobs. Once again NYC FAILS.

Posted by: Tom at April 25, 2008 3:16 PM

Forget about the stupid Tawanna Brawley case. Sean Bell got his brains blown out from 50 shots, and he had NO GUN. One of these officers RELOADED his gun. don't say that we don't know what the cops went through and that they were scared. WE ARE NOT COPS. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TRAINED PROFFESSIONALS WITH GUNS AND BADGES THAT THEY ARE SUPOSSED TO USE. THEY HAVE A PROTOCOL WHERE THEY ARE SUPOSSED TO FIRE THREE SHOTS AND SURVEILLE, THEY DEFINITELY DID NOT TRY THIS.

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 3:29 PM

Yeah because all homeboys are criminals and should die. ALL OF YOU PUNK ASSES WOULD NOT TALK THAT SHIT TO MY FACE. TRUST ME.

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 3:32 PM

I HOPE EVERYONE READING THIS READS TOM'S COMMENT.TOM SAY'S THAT IT IS TOO BAD THAT THE OTHER TWO GUY'S WEREN'T KILLED.IF YOU WRER HERE IN FRONT OF ME YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TEETH. LOL.

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 3:35 PM

To Gojutive: Just because YOU don't know that Al Sharpton speaks out for all races means nothing. Many people know this to be true. I'm pretty sure YOU don't follow his career.

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 3:41 PM

It's gonna be funny when some of these "home boys" KICK YOUR ASS TOMMY BOY.

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 3:43 PM

"Homeboys" who try to run over cops should die.

You people think that police are just out to harass and kill people, they aren't. Cops, just like you and me only want to go to work, do thier jobs, and go home to thier families.

When Bell intimated that he had a gun he put his own life at risk. It is not sad that he died, it is just the natural course of things when you threaten police. Further he also attacked them with his car, which is a 4000 lb. weapon that kills way more people than guns.

The only sad part of this situation is that three of NY's FINEST have had their careers ruined and thier lives destroyed because some drunken punks didn't want to treat the people around them like human beeings.

If Bell and his compadries had drank thier drinks, paid thier tab, and gone home without acting like anti-social animals, they would be free to wander the streets today and commit more of the crimes that they had already been convicted of.

This is what I beleve, and I will say it to anyone who asks, even internet tough guys.

Posted by: Tom at April 25, 2008 3:51 PM

MICHAEL, Your blog was the funniest thing on this whole page. It was pure genius. HEY ARTHUR, I THINK YOU SHOULD QUIT WHILE YOUR LOOKING STUPID.

Posted by: Big Ed at April 25, 2008 3:57 PM

Ok. So now we're going to simply insult one another instead of focusing on the tradegy at hand. A man lost his life. It doesn't matter if he was black, white, asian, latino, religious or not of any faith, a man lost his life. Should the police have acted more caustiously.... In my mind yes. I would believe that they had reason to fire, not to open a hail mary of shots on them. Obviously, ther was mixed information throughout all of the case as everyone will try to twist the story to their point. In my opinion, I believe the officers deserve reprimand in status and position in the force, not death. As for Sean Bell, it appears that he was turning around from his past and trying to make a living. It was unfortunate that he was still judged by his past to the end. All of the families involved should have people's support.

Posted by: Daniel at April 25, 2008 4:03 PM

I co-sign Daniel

Posted by: Deez Nuts at April 25, 2008 4:08 PM

Some of these comments are really saddening.

Things should be simple, it was a case of [b]self defence[/b]. Three men in a car with the reasonable fear of being assaulted by three or more apparently armed men after an argument in a strip bar. The urge to drive away and if necessary drive over these men is not only natural but legitimate.

On the other hand, repeatedly shooting (and reloading a weapon to continue shooting) three unarmed men trying to drive home from a bar is undoubtedly criminal. That no guilty verdict occurred is a clear sign that US justice is not working.

My regards for the family, friends and community. I cannot be with them in body, but I feel for them.

Posted by: Marc a white guy in Europe at April 25, 2008 4:19 PM

Jason,
The facts that you repeatedly describe as "undisputed" are not facts. I believe that the officers DID identify themselves.. Why would they not? How would NOT identifying themselves benefit them? Witnesses for both sides contradict each other, so I guess we will never know (but you have to look at the crediblity/background of the witnesses).

Also, one of the officers was struck by the suspect vehicle. When you strike someone with your car, a reasonable person would believe that it would cause death or serious bodily injury to the target. That makes the shooting just.

As far as the suspects being "unarmed", this is also not and undisputed fact. One of the occupants fled the scene after the shooting. His criminal record shows previous weapon possesion. Do people really think that the police wanted to kill sean bell?? He put himself in the unfortunate situation that led to his death. At the end of the day, cops just want to go home ALIVE and SAFE to their families.

Posted by: KD at April 25, 2008 4:22 PM

After having spent way too much time (which I'll never get back) reading the majority of the asinine commentaries on this site, I'd like to put in my "two cents":
* Labeling Al Sharpton as a Black activist is incorrect. Rev. Al is a political and HUMAN rights activist. He confronts not only racism but violation of civil and human rights. In response to the blogger who said Rev. Al represents blacks only, get your facts straight before posting a comment. Al Sharpton has represented non-blacks as well. Perhaps you should trying something called READING A NEWSPAPER every now and then. You've succeeded only in showing the rest of us how much of an idiot you really are.
* As for the bloggers who say the cops were justified; how do you justify unloading a semi-automatic weapon and then RELOADING and emptying said weapon again? It's called NOT following protocol. And please spare me before you say I was not there and do not know how the situation went down. Again, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, there have been numerous occasions were officers have been in similar situations and they never used such EXCESSIVE force.
* To the blogger who said Bell should've never been in a "seedy" strip club, um... ALL STRIP CLUBS ARE SEEDY. A strip club in Manhattan is no better than a strip club in Jamaica Qns. The difference? The cost of the drinks in both establishments and how much of a jackass you're willing to be to pay for the drinks.
There's a whole lot more I could get into, but I won't. I don't care to waste anymore time nor do I care which jackass will be first to respond to my commentary. So there you have it, my 2 cents, and to any bloggers out there that wish to get down and dirty with a response, I'll put the following into terms you'll understand...
Kiss my rebel dick you ignorant, ill-informed, racist, jacks off to internet images of animals because no woman would ever touch you even with a fistful of $1000 bills, would fall into the fetal position and piss on yourself when a car backfires, the more you open your mouth the heavier the diarrhea that flows from it, dumb shit known to all as YOU...

'nuff said!

Posted by: B_Real at April 25, 2008 4:28 PM

Brian, Tom, KD.. Right on!

Officers of the Law are taught "shoot to kill". We as civilians are WELL AWARE of this and should always act accordingly.

Posted by: TLE at April 25, 2008 4:37 PM

"As far as the suspects being "unarmed", this is also not and undisputed fact. One of the occupants fled the scene after the shooting. His criminal record shows previous weapon possesion. Do people really think that the police wanted to kill sean bell?? He put himself in the unfortunate situation that led to his death. At the end of the day, cops just want to go home ALIVE and SAFE to their families."

So tell me. You say "Do people really think that police wanted to kill sean bell??...umm No Genious. You say that "One of the occupants fled the scene after the shooting. His criminal record shows previous weapon possesion". And did they know that before or after they shot 50 times???....So if the cops just want to go home ALIVE and SAFE to their families...SEAN BELL WANTED to get shot at 50 times?.....Whether Sean Bell was a criminal or not, Does he deserve to die?? Whatever crime he did before was BEFORE not then. Also all this information is after the fact. The police didnt know shit and acted like the thugs they shot.

Posted by: Deez Nuts at April 25, 2008 4:39 PM

So I guess that TLE is you are "ignorant, ill-informed, racist, jacks off to internet images of animals because no woman would ever touch you even with a fistful of $1000 bills, would fall into the fetal position and piss on yourself when a car backfires, the more you open your mouth the heavier the diarrhea that flows from it"

DICK

Posted by: Deez Nuts at April 25, 2008 4:55 PM

So I guess that TLE is you are "ignorant, ill-informed, racist, jacks off to internet images of animals because no woman would ever touch you even with a fistful of $1000 bills, would fall into the fetal position and piss on yourself when a car backfires, the more you open your mouth the heavier the diarrhea that flows from it" TOO.

DICK

Posted by: Deez Nuts at April 25, 2008 4:55 PM

yes the definition of seedy strip club is a perception based on the patrons and location, i cheerfully admit that i have gone to tittie bars and im amazed that my friends already low IQ's seem to drop 50 points when confronted with T&A, it usually goes like this 'my friend would like you to buy her a drink' dont work for me, she can get her own drink free she works here doesnt she? or i gotta hear about how my boy took home 7 strippers and banged them all night after flashing cash & coke, funny i never seen that happen but i'll take your word for it,,,it gets boring after how many times can you hear your freind whisper into your ear "i think she likes me..." its all a game, your right the only difference is how much of a knot your willing to drop to act like a big willie...

theres always a reason why someone will project their ridiculous ideas about the police, "the police are here to protect us" protect us from what exactly, and more importantly protect WHO? he causcasian persuation will never admit to being the beneficiary of racism, (lets not forget that this country and most all elite societies are built on the free labor of a slavery system)while they claim they see no racist preference in their current benefits, its plainly obvious to everyone else., there is a new slavery today, its just another system created by the elites. we are the pawns, lets stop playing their game, they made the game and they made the rules, the rule is we always lose, the vampire elites made them up so they can STAY vampire elites and all the rest of the pitifully obedient human race can keep living like cattle.Find out what happens when you suggest we should all kick over the card table of this 100& arbitrary, conceptual game and you'll find yourself accused of being an anarchist or communist, or a revolutionary.

the white & privleged will never admit they benefit from this game, they dont think they are playing a game, they think they are just lucky, they worked hard and went to school, they will not admit that there was a time 'others' were not even allowed to hold those jobs and enter those schools,

the masses need to learn that its not about the brainwashed idea that you should work hard and be successful, thats just a new variation of 'work hard or be whipped boy'

Posted by: Mike at April 25, 2008 5:03 PM

In response to TLE:

I believe it's plastered in big letters on the sides of every police cruiser:

C ourtesy
P rofessionalism
R espect

- not-

S hoot
T o
K ill

I guess you're definitely one of those weak bladder drop to ground and suck off the first cop that approaches you out of fear of being shot. You're probably the same type that would actually say "Please sir, can I have some more" as the same cop unloads on your face. You sir (or thing) are a complete and utter waste of space.

PISS OFF!

Posted by: Ur_Nutz at April 25, 2008 5:06 PM

This is a miscarriage of justice ,there is no way you can shoot an unarmed person and not call it murder no matter what colour you are !and they wonder why they retaliate with guns and anger ,im surprised they are not rioting like last time ,this is a discrace for all ny police and this kind of thing should be stopped its just not right !!

Posted by: truthman at April 25, 2008 5:42 PM

MAN THIS WRONG KILLED THIS GUY LIKE DAT

Posted by: SHA at April 25, 2008 5:46 PM

Wow. . . .
im just responding to all the people who apparently Hate me over the computer.
people say im ignorant and that im inbred white-trash etc. . .
but that right there is just a mindless assumption based on nothing.
I am neither White, or White trash. I am a 28 year old BLACK MAN from Bushwick Brooklyn who was just voicing my opinion over the matter. It wasnt my intent to upset or offend anyone, but i do have to say, for all of the people that were so quick to lable and judge me, does that make yourself much different then what you originally labeled me as.
think about that.
I am just a black man who has worked hard to get a good job after GRADUATING COLLEGE, and im tired of a race war being started everytime something happens with a black male in the news. I pull myself up above and away from that garbage and every self respecting black male should do the same.

- I never said that Sean Bell deserved death, nor would i wish death on him, But if you are gonna play with fire you're gonna get burned

- I am not siding with any one person, and i will repeat that it is a shame that a young man is dead leaving behind a family, but why does Rev. Al Sharpton need to be involved?
He doesnt make any situation better at all.

- also, that area is known for what its known for.
CHEAP HOOKERS AND DRUGS. many people have known about it and have heard about it. THAT is why the police were already there, b/c there is always trouble outside of a DRUG-WHORE house.

-Cmon people wake up

Posted by: Brian at April 25, 2008 6:20 PM

Whatever!! i Agree with above:
Im glad this asshole is fuckin dead!!
its a shame they didnt clip the rest of those jackasses.
i say keep picking off all of this street trash.
They do nothing besides bring down the economy and suck money from the taxes that the WHITE men pay because they have the jobs.
One less that we have to pay for and support.
I say if you are street scum you should be taken out.
Either that or just keep picking eachother off.

Posted by: craig at April 25, 2008 6:33 PM

I AM A WHITE WOMAN. This is digusting. Why do my "people" act so blind to the fact that racism excists. I live in the most segregated state in america, and it's amazing how one opposit race are so ignorant to the other.(I blame most of that on the media) I've heard comments from other races talk about the next and time and time again I felt the same thing, if we all were more open minded to each other regardless of the stereo types, we would all live more peacefully. There is no growth in ignorance. Experience is the best teacher, next time you talk to someone who is maybe a little different ask yourself what you could learn from that person. Keep in my their story,their life,if you know alot or a little we all have common sense. Being politicially correct all the time is not the answer, instinct is. People in this life,all of us, are not born who we are. we are made this way, we have a say in who we want to become. Their is no justice for Mr. Bell or his family, or humanity even. Rev. Wright said "God Damn America!" Again the news had the politically correct critics running thiers mouths. I believe that what he was not saying God damn america but God Bless america,God Bless the world and forgive them father for we know not what we do. I leave you with this...
Look around, segregation still exsists, they just took the signs down.

Posted by: j at April 25, 2008 6:59 PM

In the totality of all social ills, in the end, the street takes its toll on everyone. Black and White,(by the way two of the peace officers were black) until all human beings become enlightened; race, gender, creed, religion and color will always be a seperating force. Kid yourself, not. It is a war in our communities. Either people come together on this small planet, or it is kill or be killed.

JRD

Posted by: JRD at April 25, 2008 7:01 PM

Brian,

Your desire to enter the bourgeoisie and embrace its classist ideology is clearly reflected in you referring to other people as "garbage". Yes, yes, I know: you have worked hard and went to college to "better yourself"--and thus think you are entitled to certain amount of class and sophistication-- and that if you can do it, it logically follows that anyone else can.

Referring to people as garbage and supporting police force and power --which is used to suppress the poor, minorities, immigrants -the list is endless-- is really no different than the fascist rants on this thread to take out "street scum."

Posted by: Michael at April 25, 2008 7:06 PM

Brian wrote: 'that area is known for what its known for CHEAP HOOKERS AND DRUGS. many people have known about it and have heard about it. THAT is why the police were already there, b/c there is always trouble outside of a DRUG-WHORE house."

Of course, and no gainfully employed college graduate would be there looking to "just start trouble", only "garbage" would be doing such a thing.

Posted by: michael at April 25, 2008 7:20 PM

If any other regular person had fired FIFTY, they would most definitely not be completely acquitted.

It's a testament to the fact that no judge wants to be the one to put away the police. The verdict avoids the issue, rather than sends a message with disciplinary action. It's unfortunate that this national example of police wrongdoing has to end this way.

-evr

Posted by: evr at April 25, 2008 7:41 PM

If any other regular person had fired FIFTY, they would most definitely not be completely acquitted.

It's a testament to the fact that no judge wants to be the one to put away the police. The verdict avoids the issue, rather than sends a message with disciplinary action. It's unfortunate that this national example of police wrongdoing has to end this way.

-evr

Posted by: at April 25, 2008 7:42 PM

If any other regular person had fired FIFTY, they would most definitely not be completely acquitted.

It's a testament to the fact that no judge wants to be the one to put away the police. The verdict avoids the issue, rather than sends a message with disciplinary action. It's unfortunate that this national example of police wrongdoing has to end this way.

-evr

Posted by: evr at April 25, 2008 7:42 PM

yes come on people wake up! the area is known for cheap hookers and drugs?

why because it is allowed, and when the nypd need overtime or need to pad their pockets or they just need to create some arrests they go and get it...

for some reason they dont bother the white coke heads patronizing prositituts at scores or hustler club, media media wants you to believe these places are legit and any other place is a seedy crimeden... get real, YOU WAKE UP!

Posted by: mikenyc at April 25, 2008 7:52 PM

you fools dont see what is obviously a very very close promiximity shooting at a car that was not moving or moving very very slow, or possible lurching out of a parked position, no way can 4 guys dump 50 shots on what they are calling a moving vehicle or lethal weapon
oh got this car bumped my leg, time to empty the clip!

Posted by: mikenyc at April 25, 2008 8:05 PM

This has to be the worst verdict I have ever heard. The Judge in this case is an idiot and should be imprisoned himself for violating the god given rights of Sean Bell. For an officer to be acquitted on all charges when especially one shot 31 times himself is not justice. The officer had to reload and when no one is shooting at you why reload and keep shooting. It is very clear that the officer intent was to kill someone in the car. Besides being undercover does not give an officer the right to use a firearm while drinking earlier. I think the department needs to be reviewed by the federal government and also a group of local representatives to determine the punishment for Judge Arthur J. Cooperman and the officers involved. If you have the mayor and other leaders saying this is excessive force then maybe the judge is allowing the NYPD to govern themselves. More than one incident this decade alone is an example of how the NYPD works. I am calling for the removal of the judge and the officers to be tried in a different area.

Posted by: Tim at April 25, 2008 8:30 PM

What is interesting, and to your point Brian, when IGNORANT people disagree with your opinion it becomes personal. Just for the ignorant on lookers here, I am niether SIR, a cock sucker, or the uneducated low life you accuse me of being.

SO "Ur Nutz and DICK" get an education, try and participate in an intelligent conversation, use your head and then come and talk! Until then... Get a Life! Your opinion is NOT the only one!

Posted by: TLE at April 25, 2008 8:36 PM

It's funny how race has absolutely nothing to do with this, yet most of these losers blogging from momma's basement are suddenly social scientists. They don't understand the situation, so rather than attempt to learn why, they just go all silly and start screaming "racism, racism!" What the men are really screaming is "cops and soldiers are real men and make my pee-pee feel small. I hate them!"

Equally funny are the hordes of spoiled children of privilege who understand nothing about truly dangerous stressful situations, yet presume they know all about what the cops should have done. Their idea of danger and high-stress is getting a paper cut or their local Starbuck's running out of artificial sweetener.

The verbage and grammar herein bely the limited level of education present in the wannabe leftist crowd. Truthman tells us "this is a discrace." No truthman, this was justice working as it should, your spelling is a disgrace. :0) Deez Nuts says "No Genious." Well I guess he's "no Genious" either. LOL

And Ed, why do you call yourself "Big Ed?" Are you compensating for something "small" perhaps? :-)

Posted by: Arthur at April 25, 2008 8:55 PM

Here is a song called "Am I Next" from myself, Kansas City artist Future talking about the Sean Bell situation and the racial bigotry and injustice African Americans are facing as a result of police brutality. Stop the violence!

Links:

www.myspace.com/welcometothefuture

http://www.sendspace.com/file/5mwlcn

Posted by: Future at April 25, 2008 10:16 PM

College For All As An Inalienable Human Right For All (and I mean All) Anyone?

Posted by: marty at April 26, 2008 12:07 AM

Okay TLE, Brian, Tom, and Craig. Look you people are obviously raceist against the black community or just ignorant. Lets see if this happened in the WHITE community, YOU ALL WOULD'VE WRITTEN DIFFERENT THINGS!! But it didnt come out that way Sean Bell was BLACK. He should not have been shot 50 times, 15 times, or 5 times. It was his bachelor party he was driving from. Yes he was probably driving drunk but that doesnt even give the cops to take out a gun and start shooting like there's no tommorow. He didnt even take out a gun and shoot.

Craig- you are the most ignorant peace of shit i have ever heard of. SO i guess WHITE PEOPLE CANT BE STREET TRASH!!!!

Brian- It really doesnt matter how you tried to "redeem" yourself because the first thing you said was what you really felt. You cant say that this case had nothing to do with race because part of it did.

TLE- you just disgust me.

Tom- WHAT THE HELL IS HOMEBOYS ALL ABOUT?? THAT IS ONE OF TH MOST DUMMEST THINGS I HAVE READ IN THIS BLOG.

oh and GoJutive Al Sharpton is a BLACK ACTIVIST It's his job to (what you say)but in to HIS PEOPLES problems. Majority of Black murders aren't even put out there that's why when they are Rev. Al Sharpton comes and helps. As for latinos asians and otheres i really dont know if he helps them out so i cant say anything about them.

Posted by: Jasmine at April 26, 2008 10:25 AM

Hip hip hooray for the cops. I do not feel sorry for Bell or his friends and I do not feel sorry for all the black people that are going around and crying race, race, race like a bunce of cry babies.

Posted by: nancy at April 26, 2008 11:15 AM

I'm glad the three cops got off. Hooray!!!! I'm sick of this whole issue and tired of seeing it on the tv news. Bell and his friends are trash and we need to focus on other things.

Posted by: nancy at April 26, 2008 11:51 AM

The real story here is that there's a fundamental problem in the black community. There is so much more to this. Look at LA, Detroit, Camden, Tuscon, NYC, Newark, etc... It's all about being gangsta, getting your game on, bitches, whores, niggas, rides, wheels and jewelery. There's no sense of aspiration, education or work-ethic in the black community. It's time to grow up, act like men, get an education and stop worrying about "your niggas." It's getting you nowhere fast. Things like this doesn't happen in non-black America because we don't put ourselves in these situations. Wake up, you're killing one another, it's not the police or white America.

Posted by: V at April 26, 2008 12:27 PM

Re Brian: its funny how these pro police people seem to have so much to say regarding police relations with minorities and how that factored into the events leading up to and including the police shooting of sean bell and his friends. first off, you probably have never lived in an area even remotely close to the one where the shooting occoured, so i forgive you for being ignorant to the fact that police rarely follow standard procedures such as identifying themselves as officers
before running up on someones vehicle at 4 am in the fucking morning in the "ghetto" immediately following a heated dispute with a gun drawn in plain clothes and just expect the "suspect" to just know your the fucking police. i would have tried to run too. clearly your biased opinion is based on the pigs following standard nypd procedures which as we all know out here never happens. again.. maybe your not a minority living in a low income area, maybe you've never been here, but police out here do all kinds of shit violation civil rights of the public, but it dosent matter because whatever they write in the pig report is what stands and the end of the day. oh, and did i mention the DA, judge and the NYPD are all conjoined at the hip? gimmie a fucking break and stop being naive

Posted by: ignorantasshole at April 26, 2008 1:26 PM

Oh dear me! Another drug-dealing criminal gets killed! What a shame!

Black Americans:
Quit bitching and straighten your asses out, and you’ll get respect! Until black Americans take charge and take action about the criminals in their midst, it will simply go on and on! Quit whining!!!
You may think you’re entitled, but you ARE NOT!

Society is not responsible for your ills and actions - YOU ARE!!

Posted by: typicalwhiteman at April 26, 2008 2:23 PM

I had to say something to all of this.

First of all, let me say before I start that my g/f is an NYPD police officer....who just got her 3 days off taken away due to all of this....

Fact #1, 50 shots needed to stop the act that the police officers thought was going on? Probably not.

Fact #2, the "victims" were in a known area for violence and illegal activity, the night before, or should I say a few hours before, the wedding. Smart thing to do? Probably not.

With that being said, here's the deal....NONE OF YOU, unless you are in law enforcement, understand what these officers have to see and deal with on a regular basis. They are "outsiders" doing their jobs in a place where they are not welcome to be. Those of you who live in these places, ie. the projects, YOU choose to live that lifestyle, YOU choose to create violence at your homes, YOU choose to shoot at eachother and YOU choose to ruin your environment. TRUST ME, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THERE ANY MORE THAN YOU WANT THEM THERE!!!! It is their job!!!!

Who wants to work in piss and crap filled halls and stairways every single night and try to create peace in these housing areas all the while watching their backs and their heads because of "air mail"????? You go try to do it for the measley $28,000 a year they make. You make more working full time at friggin McDonald's!!!

To say that this is a disgrace to the entire NYPD is of insult personally to me. My g/f is a great cop who is very fair and always goes out of her way to do the right thing. When she has to arrest someone for something, she comes home and tells me how bad she feels for having to do it. The fact is.....when you are arrested, YOU PUT YOURSELF IN THAT PREDICAMENT!!!! You think they ALL get enjoyment from scarring people's lives??? Give me a break.

This is why there is the violence in this city as there is. Uneducated people taking their retaliations to a whole different level. How an you retaliate against everyone in the NYPD? What do the good cops have to do with any of this?

In closing, I pray for Sean Bell's two little girls and his fiancee. I hope that the girls are brought up in a proper family environment despite the tragedy of losing their father at such young ages.

There's so much out there for everyone if you put the effort into being something. Anything else in response to that is a complete and utter cop out. Is it easy?? Absolutely not. But the better life starts with each and every person. Every person can make a difference. That's the real fact.

Posted by: jbishop at April 26, 2008 8:01 PM

How come when people cry about all the injustice and the grand conspiracy to get these cops acquitted, nobody mentions that Sean's two friends changed their stories and gave testimonies inconsistent with the forensic evidence and the testimonies of the other witnesses,which was probably the most damaging blow dealt to the prosecution.

Posted by: Matt at April 26, 2008 10:21 PM

police video- los angeles sheriffs shoot unarmed deandre brunston 81x, compton 8.24.03-

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=25540566ca

Posted by: jubilee shine at April 27, 2008 4:07 PM

I am honestly suprised by how many anti-cop people are posting on this forum. Perhaps I came to the wrong place but I thought I would speak my piece anyway.
I don't believe that Sean Bell got what he deserved, as stated by some but I do believe that justice was served in this case.
1. It was brought up that the cops couldn't have possibly known the friends of Sean Bell had criminal records. This may or may not be true. They could have be somewhat known to the area or a particlar officer. Then again, maybe not.
2. Some have stated they men were unarmed. This may be true but there were notes that the men stated or made statements to the effect "yo, go get my gun" or "i'm gonna get my gun". I personally have heard people say things like this before when it wasn't true (that they had a gun). Whether you want to believe the cops or not, the men did have criminal records so it is something I would believe (that they would say).
3. Phyiscally armed with a gun or not Sean Bell ran into an officer and hit an unmarked patrol vehicle. The undercover officer involved was said to have been wearing a badge on his collar or near his collar.
4. Credibility did come in to play, whether we like them or not, and Sean Bells friends changed their story over time. They could not be believed because of this. Any person willing to consistently believe individudals who change their story should not be ones on a jury. It could have been a cop, an expert witness or anyone for that matter, if you change your story your credibility is gone.
5. It should be noted for those who call this a hate or racist crime, 2 of the officers charged were black.

All in all I think the credibilty for Sean Bell as well as others in the community was lost when Al Sharpton opened his mouth. He, for me, brings down anyone he surrounds. He caused near riot conditions (or actual riot conditions) for unfounded cases. He jumps on the race/hate card every chance he gets. I know the world is not perfect. I don't agree with racism and I don't agree with people who use it to fuel the fire.
The officers made some mistakes. This could have been due to poor traning or poor officers in general. This should be noted and addressed but the officers should not have gone through what they did.

Posted by: Shannon at April 28, 2008 12:05 AM

I have read a lot about this particular case. I feel (if this has not already been said, because I am not reading all these blogs) that if Sean Bell was a white man at a well known drug-whore house and got all crazy with his boys on some undercover cops, we would not be reading about this. People get upset because 3 cops killed a black man; it seems to me that these cops acted proper fashion. I go to college in CA, and in one of my classes a student compared this case to Rodney King. I couldn't believe it. I lived thought the whole Rodney King riots, it was absoluty horrible. There were black people and minorities attacking every white person they could find. This was all triggered over some cops obviously getting too rough with King. If you watch the full-length video of King (this video is never shown on T.V. because it show King resisting arrest and rushing police) you will see that King is a Huge and very freaking capable person. This guy gets tazed repeatly, and keeps lunging for cops. The police could hardly control him, what the news always show is after they get him on the ground, a police officer hits him in the head. This was all terrible, defiantly these police were out of line, but Rodney King was putting up a strong fight, and was highly capable. It was a terrible tragedy that fell upon hundreds of Losangelinos, tons of white people beat, attacked and raped. How is this justified? Last I heard two wrongs do not make a right, if someperson harms a black person, they are seen as attacking all black people, and the justifiable response is to attack all white people either verbally or physically. In our current times white skin = racist. If your white, you have to prove to all minorities that you are not racist. Every time I take a class on Ethnic Studies, white people who talk in the class for the first time always say the same thing ( Ya, Im (so an so) and Im not racist, and I feel (such and such) way because white people....) This is bullshit, no person in America should have to prove to people first that they are not racist, but blacks and other minorities can freely say anything they want about white people, and they are just "expressing their anger because injuestice". We need to start healing as a country, and start putting some of this "racist jargon" to bed. If we always treat blacks and minorities as automatic victims, then they are always going to feel entitled to some kind of revenge to innocent white people.

Posted by: Joe at April 28, 2008 12:28 AM

I can't see how everyone is so outraged, this guy stated infront of several witnesses that he was going out to his car to get his gun. He said this infront of undercover cops, then went out to his car, and tried to evade arrest. One man escaped from the car, maybe with the gun. This case is very sad, but I believe the police are in the right. It seems like everytime a police office uses deadly force, they have to testify infront of a grand jury. I think this fact alone would make the majority of police officers very hesitant to use their weapon, unless they absolutly have too. This also may lead to hesitant police officer dying because they were too hesitant to pull out their gun. The criminals in this case all had rap sheets a mile long. Sean, and the other two victims that shot all had priors with firearms, and drug dealing. These guys have done lots of serous time. We are not talking about a regular joe, instead a hardent street thug yelling about going out to his car to get his gun.

Posted by: Joe at April 28, 2008 12:44 AM

A few things that come to my attention here is that whether white or black everyone is speaking of or reciting hearsay from witnesses of both sides depending on your race or which hearsay supports your beliefs. Fact of the matter is that everyone who posted on this site was not there and hopefully most have not been involved in such an incident thus would not have either sides perspective to have a valid opinion.
1. Yes, the criminal history may not have been known by the officers involved, however, this history speaks to what the victims may have been doing at such a wonderful family establishment.
2. It is doubted that racial profiling took place seeing as though the majority of the establishment was of darker skin.
3. Stop saying that the victim was shot 50 times as he was not. 50 Shots were fired at the car and Mr. Bell was shot a total of 4 times. 5 Officers were actually involved in the shooting with 3 of the offices actually wounding or killing anyone so the average here is 10 shots per which is less then one clip in there guns. Having gone to a firing range or two, I can easily see how quickly one can fire shots out of an auto-fire gun and I can only imagine how this incident, however it played, had high emotions which led to quick fingers.
4. With all the countries that want to destroy us ( Infidels) which have no color in the eyes of radical islam, I would think we would oust those who continually try to devide us, Jessi and Al, and try to unify. It appears that our enemy has no problem in unification and believe me when I tell you that upon their arrival in this great country, they will be color blind.
5. Finally, I do not believe these guys deserved to be shot and certainly not killed, however, I do not believe it was a situation of lets kill the black guys just because. There was obviously facts that we will never be certain of as no one in this blog was there.

UNIFY DAMIT

Posted by: jman at April 28, 2008 10:53 AM

Life Saving tips for all those that say this couldve happened to you:
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1- Dont be a crack dealing, felony committing street thug.
2- Dont scream "Get the gun" to your boys during an arguement with other street thugs. (Refer to #1)
3- Make sure your boys are not street thugs. (Refer to #1)
4- Dont try to run people over with your car...especially the NYPD.

If you follow these tips, you should live to see another day.

Posted by: djpsmoov at April 28, 2008 11:04 AM