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Holocaust Denier Hits Manhattan But Has No Place To Go

Posted by Maria Luisa Tucker at 5:38 PM, July 16, 2008

Famed Holocaust denier David Irving is in Manhattan today, ready to fan the flames of anti-Semitism once again — that is, if he can find a place that will let him in the door.

Irving is on a three-month, 50-city speaking tour, but the venue he had booked for today’s 7 p.m., $20-per-ticket event abruptly canceled after activists from the group Anti-Racist Action called to protest Irving’s appearance there. Apparently, the Upper West Side church hall run by the Metropolitan New York Baptist Association had no idea it would be hosting a man widely considered to be the world's most effective and dangerous Holocaust denier.

The Baptist Association declined to comment, but activists familiar with Irving said it was likely that he had booked the venue without using his name or giving any details about the nature of the event. As of press time, Irving had not returned a call from the Voice.

Irving, a British author and historian, was imprisoned for a little over a year in Austria for the crime of glorifying the Nazi Party, and is considered an intellectual hero by many white supremacists. This is his first visit to the U.S. since his release from prison in 2006.

In an earlier email message to his American fans, Irving wrote: “I'll be speaking in private about my latest researches in secret files and what I have found in them about Hitler, Himmler, and the real truth about the Holocaust, and throwing the discussion open after that. And of course I'll be telling my friends, among whom I include you, a bit about that imprisonment too: why 'Old Europe' still finds it needs to lock up - together with rapists, drug dealers, white slavers, murderers - those historians, even best-sellers like myself, who find and publish WW2 history that veers away from what governments like people to believe.”

Among the groups that had promoted Irving’s New York event was the League of American Patriots, a new white supremacist group based in New Jersey. According to their website, the League comprises people of “European ancestry” interested in halting “the rapid demographic decline of the European peoples in our homeland.” They are, essentially, a pro-segregation, anti-immigration group because “persons of European ancestry are incompatible with those of Third World origin, [so] we oppose all ‘social experiments’ aimed at mixing the two.”

Apparently, however, Italian folks are just fine. On his website, Irving noted that tonight’s venue had been changed to Primavera Ristorante, an Upper East Side eatery. However, a man who answered the phone there emphatically denied that the restaurant was hosting the controversial author. “There is no speaking event. This is all a misunderstanding, he never booked something. He just posted something on his website,” the man said.

Never the less, anti-racist activists who have been tracking Irving will be outside waiting, just in case the old Brit shows up.

Irving is scheduled to speak at an unidentified Philadelphia bookstore on Friday, and then on to Baltimore, D.C. and many Southern cities. For a complete listing of his speaking events, go to focal.org.

“We are definitely following the tour,” activist Daryle Lamont Jenkins tells the Voice. Jenkins runs One People’s Project, a website founded to oppose the white supremacist National Alliance. He points out that Irving, an out-of-towner, is easy to get rid of. It’s the locals that can be truly worrisome. “Some of the nastier folks we’ve been dealing with these last 8 years were planning on going to the New York event and when Irving is gone, they are still here.”

comments

Gee, that report is almost objective. Well done kids!

Posted by: Jeanette at July 17, 2008 2:44 AM

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".

used to be a favourite politician's sound-bite, haven't heard it for a long time - like that other one "plenty of fish in the sea" don't hear that very often either.

If you don't believe in freedom of speech for the people you oppose,then you don't believe in freedom of speech. It is not the non-existent 'terrorists' who hate us because of our freedoms, it's our fraudulently elected leaders - and those who pull their strings. Oppose them.

Posted by: simon at July 17, 2008 2:56 AM

While I support free speech, hate mongers like D. Irving should never have been allowed into the country in the first place. And while I'm at it they should try Bush and his cabal war war crimes and hang the lot of them

Posted by: Jay Sharpe at July 17, 2008 3:34 AM

According to your quote, he doesn't deny the Holocaust,he says he wants to discuss the real truth about it. Even if he gives less savory intellects jollies, locking him up for publishing unpopular opinions is the greater crime.
Your masters are those you're not allowed to criticize. Let the ad hominem attacks passed off as reason begin.

Posted by: Ernie at July 17, 2008 3:35 AM

Censorship is no biggie. I mean it's not like he's protected by the 1st amendment of the constitution or anything.

Posted by: at July 17, 2008 3:55 AM

Why do people and the system that moulds them have a problem with hearing the truth. Irving is not a denier, he is a revisionist. Stop acting like sheep and start questioning instead of blindly reacting. Irving is a great man, who speaks truth to power. Per usual the sheeple react as expected.

Posted by: Ian at July 17, 2008 4:30 AM

Whatever happened to freedom of speech!!

Let him say whatever he has to say.

Posted by: alasdair at July 17, 2008 5:56 AM

Why are you people so afraid of what he has to say? I guess some animals are more equal than other huh. I think your scared of what he has to say. If his information is rubbish then he will fall on his own. But, if his information has some truth, then you all look like modern day nazis. Ironic dont you think?

Posted by: f8te at July 17, 2008 6:08 AM

A nice bit o' totally bias-free "reporting" there!

Yet more proof that all leftist scum should be made to do the Strangulation Jig....;o)

Posted by: N.B.F. at July 17, 2008 7:29 AM

I could suggest a place for him to go but he wouldn't want to be there. Too many vultures at a landfill, it seems.

Posted by: Karen at July 17, 2008 7:49 AM

David Irving does not 'fan the flames of anti-Semitism.' This statement is slander, plain and simple.

The writer of the article would seem to be unaware of the fact, but Irving's mother was Jewish, which makes him technically a Jew. This, at least, is what I have been told by a reliable source.

What's more, the first thing he ever published was an article in a London Jewish newspaper about his undercover investigation of anti-Semitism in a German factory in the mid-50s.

I very much doubt that he would be in the business of promoting anti-Semitism.

Posted by: Giordan at July 17, 2008 7:51 AM

"Irving, a British author and historian, was imprisoned for a little over a year in Austria for the crime of glorifying the Nazi Party"

Imprisoned for his opinion(s)??

Posted by: Brianne at July 17, 2008 8:07 AM

Fear SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM:

Communism is the goal of socialism, which is but a temporary pause in leftists' forced march of humanity towards hell on earth, about which hell this scribbler has been giving warnings to anyone sympathetic to that cause – to that horrific insanity! – of socialism/communism, which ism's bottom-line underpinnings are expertly retold by Long Visalo, a returnee to Pol Pot's communistic Cambodia in 1973, and who gave this horrifying account of an indoctrination seminar for intellectuals at camp K-15, conducted by Khieu Samphan ["Pol Pot: Anatomy of a Nightmare," by Philip Short, pp. 316-317]: "How do we make a communist revolution? The first thing you have to do is to destroy private property. But private property exists on both the material and the mental plane...To destroy material private property, the appropriate method was the evacuation of towns...But spiritual private property is more dangerous, it comprises everything that you think is 'yours', everything that you think exists in relation to yourself—your parents, your family, your wife. Everything of which you say, 'It's mine…' is spiritual private property. Thinking in terms of 'me' and 'my' is forbidden…The knowledge you have in your head, your ideas, are mental private property, too. To become truly revolutionary, you must...wash your mind clean...So the first thing you must do to make yourself fit to participate in the communist revolution…is to wash your mind...If we can destroy all material and mental private property...people will be equal. The moment you allow private property, one person will have a little more, another a little less, and they are no longer equal. But if you have nothing – zero for him and zero for you – that is true equality…If you permit even the smallest part of private property [and private thinking!], you are no longer as one, and it isn't communism"...[p. 325]: "The whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought...In the end we will make thought-crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that will be needed will be expressed by exactly one word [no hint of what that one word is here], with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten…Every year fewer and fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller...In fact there will be not thought as we understand it now. Orthodoxy [communist orthodoxy] means NOT THINKING [my emphasis]...Orthodoxy is unconsciousness"; an INSANITY, dear reader, that's lost on all leftists harboring any hope of goodness and truth being found in socialism/communism, and so extreme in its Utopian pursuit of equality that even to THINK of how beautiful a sunrise is or to smile at the missteps of a toddler at play or to feel even a hint of pleasure from a warming morning sun invites MENTALINEQUALITY, which necessarily leads to material inequality, according to the leftist Utopians. How dare you to steal a mental pleasure that some comrade, somewhere, cannot equally share with you? There can be no private thoughts! And today's socialism-/communism-/feminism-driven Left within Western democracies is incrementally leading us there, as today's fairness-driven leftists are tomorrow's equality-driven Pol Pots – those Marxian ARCHITECTS and their liberal-Christian and secular-humanist dupes! – who'll eventually come to TORTURE and/or KILLany opponents of their perfect Marxian equality, and which fact about them ought to horrify any reason-driven person anticipating future results of the Marxists' DIVERSITY MOVEMENT and requisite FORCED INTEGRATION, which their open-borders immigration policies now demand worldwide.

Posted by: Deacon at July 17, 2008 8:32 AM

Well, the trend seems to be enforcing belief in the holocaust
through criminal law. This alone says to me Irving has merit.
By the way, I suspect most of these "white supremacist" groups
are run by people who benefit most from them!!

Posted by: clan_incognito at July 17, 2008 9:03 AM

The fact that there can be no honest debate on this issue should raise concerns to people. Obviously the truth is not being told and something is rotten in denmark.

Posted by: Dolorosa at July 17, 2008 9:06 AM

Actually, it is you people and people like Daryle Lamont Jenkins who are the real facist NAZI pigs. Anyone who condones the suppression of free speech is a traitor to this country and whay it stands for. As a Jew, I am very interested, as all Jews should be, about ALL AVENUES of research as to what happened during WWII. Banning or stopping someone who is NOT talking hate or violence - simply for asking historical questions - shows that the established media and powers that be have something to hide. Otherwise, these people would be allowed to speak their nonsense. Shame on the Voice for writing such a slanted and bigoted article, I am ashamed that you can call yourselves American and it shows how all you at the Voice are brainwashed too!

Posted by: Rob at July 17, 2008 9:28 AM

So much for free speech. The one subject in the whole world you can go to jail for debating.

Posted by: at July 17, 2008 9:46 AM

Talking about censorship, I wrote a post earlier which didn't get posted. The truth does hurt.

Posted by: AllCingi at July 17, 2008 10:58 AM

This article is a lie. I was there last night and the meeting DID take place. It was true that the Church tried to renege after the meeting started, but ultimately the pastor of the Church let us stay.

Posted by: David at July 17, 2008 10:58 AM

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

Posted by: Tim at July 17, 2008 11:05 AM

It's a pity that Mr. Irving's critics choose to oppose his position on the holohoax by denying him a chance to even present his arguments and evidence. But of course they can't defeat him in an open exchange of ideas, because he's right.

Posted by: abiggerdog at July 17, 2008 11:24 AM

Goodbye America, did we ever really know you ?

Posted by: No one you know at July 18, 2008 11:43 PM

I have a complete library of Mr. Irving's works and have attended several of his lectures, which have consistently been a stimulating intellectual experience. Contrary to the alarmist spin, he's actually gone to great lengths to oppose and disavow anti-Semitism and racism - somewhat to the chagrin of sketchier audience members, who are just as crude as many of his opponents. What exactly is everyone afraid of?

Posted by: Napoleon Zivkovic at July 19, 2008 11:33 AM

My dear Marie Louise....you have to stop gettting your information from those anarchists. You have quite a bit wrong. Well, that should be expected, since you couldn't get it right last Memorial Day either, and you were there. I guess you have found a new niche for yourself....misquoting and misrepresenting what you refer to as "White Supremacists". FYI, the even went on as sceduled....the police acted inappropritely and were put in their place. Also, Irving is not a "Holocaust Denier", read his work instead of quoting the extreme left. He is also not a White Nationalist or anything close. he is simply a historian dedicated to telling the truth....That's why you guys in the media have such a problem with him...the truth scares you...well....at least it doesn't help sell your rag.

Posted by: Wilson at July 19, 2008 2:48 PM

cowards....COWARDS on top of liars.

Posted by: wilson at July 20, 2008 6:25 PM

My dear Marie Louise....you have to stop gettting your information from those anarchists. You have quite a bit wrong. Well, that should be expected, since you couldn't get it right last Memorial Day either, and you were there. I guess you have found a new niche for yourself....misquoting and misrepresenting what you refer to as "White Supremacists". FYI, the even went on as sceduled....the police acted inappropritely and were put in their place. Also, Irving is not a "Holocaust Denier", read his work instead of quoting the extreme left. He is also not a White Nationalist or anything close. he is simply a historian dedicated to telling the truth....That's why you guys in the media have such a problem with him...the truth scares you...well....at least it doesn't help sell your rag.

Posted by: Wilson at July 20, 2008 6:25 PM

You misquote and slander a brilliant and brave historian (one who actually tries to examine and organizesomething called "facts". Get some-one to look up, and explain, the meaning of the word "fact" Mari-a)- yet you quote Soros tool Darryl LaVerne Jenkum? And an "authority"?

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah - he's a credibel source and you're a "journalist"! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted by: PearlGirl at July 21, 2008 10:20 AM

I attended the NYC Irving lecture (my first). I am person who enjoys 20th century history. No displays of racism, no nazi oaths, no uniforms - just a cordial, highly intellectual lecture with Irving. In truth Mr. Irving is quite comical - more sophisticated humor than what's on the cable idiot box. His nearly 2 hour talk was about events leading to his arrest and conviction (essentially against freedom of speech). Also described deploable conditions in Austrian prisons. Next he spoke about his forthcoming biography on H.Himmler and detailed research that went into its writing. He concluded with Q&A........and that was all folks! What I found disgusting was the attempt by some group(s) to stop the lecture (we should all be curious to peer behind the curtain and investigate who ultimately funds/leads such groups - willing to bet it would surprise you). Why? Last I looked our Constitution provides for freedom of assembly and speech. The scary thing is the disrespect shown to a prolific writer and master historian of WWII. His research is impeccable and based on direct archival docs. Is he infallibel, no - he is human. Mr. Irving is an incredibly brilliant person - he is one of the brightest person I have ever met (I have met many scholars/bus. leaders in my career). After thinking about that night, I truly feltthe protestors were the NAZIs: preventing free speech, humiliating/intimidating attendees. The first thing NAZIs want to do is rid us of historians and scholars. BIG HATS OFF to NYPD who saw reason and allowed the function to continue.

Posted by: Joe at July 21, 2008 3:51 PM

I am seriously so sick of censorship nazis that censors deserve to burn in the lake of fire forever.

Posted by: CB at July 23, 2008 10:06 AM

I wonder why my posts are being censored, although I have a hard time seeing they could be seen as offensive in any way.

I've tried twice now!

Posted by: Balder at July 24, 2008 8:49 AM

The rampant confusion among Americans about "freedom of speech" is evident on this board. The Constitution holds that Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." This means that Federal, state or municipal governments cannot make or enforce laws that prohibit free speech. It does not mean that anyone can say anything anywhere or that private organizations or individuals are required to tolerate mentally deranged racists bigots like David Irving or to debate silly, unhistorical non-issues issues. For those who think that all issues should be freely debated, I should like to propose a wide-ranging discussion about whether the Civil War actually occurred. Personally, I think it's a Southern fabrication.

Posted by: Stanley Wertheim at July 24, 2008 2:03 PM

The rampant confusion among Americans about "freedom of speech" is evident on this board. The Constitution holds that Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." This means that Federal, state or municipal governments cannot make or enforce laws that prohibit free speech. It does not mean that anyone can say anything anywhere or that private organizations or individuals are required to tolerate mentally deranged racist bigots like David Irving or to debate silly, unhistorical non-issues. For those who think that all controversies should be freely debated, I should like to propose a wide-ranging discussion about whether the Civil War actually occurred. Personally, I think it's a Southern fabrication.

Posted by: at July 24, 2008 2:06 PM

I like the way Mr. Wertheim tries to belittle others he disagrees with. Where's the substance?
Yep, our society can freely debate issues like gay rights, abortion, farm subsidies, Iraq war. However it's a no no when it comes to holocaust research, Israeli atrocities, etc.

Posted by: Patriot at July 24, 2008 10:41 PM

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