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By Roy Edroso, Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 12:23AM
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It's a rare treat when liberals and conservatives can get together, and they seem to agree that Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich is one awesome crook. Lefty outlets have been following the Blagojevich "fiasco," exploring the linkages between Blagojevich and Illinois politicians who might accommodate his desire to "make some money" off Obama's vacated Senate seat, and his ties to Senator-designate Roland Burris.

But rightbloggers are not by and large very interested in such mundane quid-pro-quo details. Symbols are what they seek -- names and terms they can use to dirty up Obama. During the election campaign, they tirelessly sought scandals to bring him down and, when they couldn't find anything substantive, turned to non-existent Michelle Obama tapes, birth certificate stories, and other ephemera.

Now events have handed them a real scandal -- though one with a mainly geographical relation to Obama -- and something more like a tsimmis than a scandal, involving a cabinet appointee who perhaps mischaracterized his fitness for office and has been prevented from taking it. It's thin stuff, but rightbloggers have feasted on thinner.

The Blagojevich mess has got them talking a lot about "Illinois politics" ("There are two kinds of politicians in Illinois," says Classical Values. "Crooks and those who haven't been caught"), in hopes that readers will remember that Obama is from Illinois and implicate him on that basis. Illinois' own Backyard Conservative is tireless in establishing casual links between the President-Elect and the Governor. "Yes, [Burris] lost to Illinois current disgraced Governor Rod Blagojevich," she wrote. "But one prominent Democrat who supported Roland Burris at the time?... Barack Obama. And they both supported Blagojevich's reelection as Governor in 2006, at a time when he was under at least nine federal corruption investigations." Elsewhere: "It's democracy the Chicago Way, Barack Obama's political stomping grounds." She also refers to "President Whitewash" and "ChicagObama." Basically, if Blagojevich cuts a fart, Backyard Conservative holds her nose and points to Obama.

Conversely, when Democrats try (however ineptly) to block Blagojevich's appointment to the Senate, they are accused of racism. "So at at time when there isn't a single black person in the U.S. Senate, a black man arrives at the doorway and means to go forward to take what he believes is his rightful seat... great imagery, Democrats!" said Ann Althouse, who includes a picture of George Wallace standing in a schoolhouse door. "Shades of Democrat George Wallace!" concurred Don Surber.

"What a great symbol of Democratic Party inclusiveness!" added the American Spectator. "Tuesday we may be treated to the sight of an elderly African-American being led off the Senate floor in handcuffs because his sitting there would be contrary to the collective wish of old, white Democrats," said RedState. "The home of racism in this country is and has always been the Democratic Party," asserted RightwingSparkle. Well, at least we've stopped hearing that Obama's election proved the country has gotten beyond racism, if only for a couple of minutes.

Their better bet would be to point out that "Above all else, Rod Blagojevich is a DEMOCRAT," as NewsBlaze upper-cased it, "a fact which in no way excuses his felonies, but which does help explain the medical root cause of his crimes. Liberalism is a mental disease!" Helping that cause along is Bill Richardson, who this weekend pre-resigned his Secretary of Commerce appointment to spend more time with his federal investigators.

As there's no percentage in warning the nation about "New Mexico politics" -- indeed, Commentary's Jennifer Rubin quickly took it back home, saying "with the advent of this incident and of Blago-gate, it is fair to ask whether the Chicago crowd isn't too relaxed about the appearance of corruption" -- this too is a crisis of unprecedented proportions for Obama, or as Ed Morrissey put it, his "his first brush with scandal in his administration." (Technically there isn't an Obama Administration yet, but why quibble? Opportunity knocks, and so do they.)

Some looked forward to further blood on the cabinet floor. Michelle Malkin hoped "the Richardson bungle will embolden Republicans for a fight over Eric Holder." In fact, to MacsMind this meant maybe they're all crooks: "What then don't we know about other key cabinet picks?" Ace of Spades suggested Hillary Clinton might be next out the door (Stop the ACLU playfully referred to this as a "fishy smell"); Daily Pundit suggested Clinton was actually behind Richardson's defenestration.

Some reached further afield for Obama-slanging materiel. Wizbang took the opportunity to suggest that Obama will seek to "find another Hispanic for the SoC post" because "once a cabinet post is to be filled by a diversity candidate it must remain a 'diversity' post throughout the administration. A white female or African-American will not do. This seat must be filled by a Hispanic. Preferably one with a name more obviously Hispanic than Bill Richardson." The great thing about so slight a scandal as the pre-emptive dismissal of a cabinet official is that it can be used to attack Obama on a wide variety of grounds, including affirmative action.

As Obama is widely thought to have pressured Richardson's resignation, it also gives nostalgic rightbloggers a chance to revive the old "under the bus" routine.

Overall the rightblogger consensus is that the Obama almost-Administration is hopelessly corrupt, and Obama's dismissal of a possibly tainted official before he even took office proves it. One can only imagine what they would have made of the removal of sitting cabinet member Simon Cameron by that other compromised Illinois politician, Abraham Lincoln.

Meanwhile PowerLine, oddly pleased to see Obama mocked at an anti-Israel rally in Jakarta, said, "Many liberals enjoyed the disgusting attacks on President Bush by anti-American critics around the world. It will be interesting to see how they react when Obama is the target." Actually, we're already quite accustomed to it. When it comes to attacking not-yet-President-Obama, the rest of the world will have a very hard time catching up with rightbloggers.

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Comments (90)

Eric Dondero says:

Careful now. Not just conservative bloggers who are gigglin' silly over this Obama-mess. Libertarians are turning on Obama too. The honeymoon is over, as far as we're concerned. And though, we don't always agree with our sometimes tin-foil hat conservative cousins, on this - Obama's past history of Illinois-connected corruption - they're right on.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 9:01AM
Eric Dondero says:

Careful now. Not just conservative bloggers who are gigglin' silly over this Obama-mess. Libertarians are turning on Obama too. The honeymoon is over, as far as we're concerned. And though, we don't always agree with our sometimes tin-foil hat conservative cousins, on this - Obama's past history of Illinois-connected corruption - they're right on.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 9:02AM
Realist says:

The honeymoon is over, as far as we're concerned.

Honeymoon? Doesn't he actually have to, you know, take office and stuff before the honeymoon can even start, let alone be over?

Of course, for you guys, the honeymoon was over the day he decided to run.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 9:45AM
Jason says:

Why do you consider Ann Althouse a right-winger? She's a registered Democrat and voted for Obama.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 9:49AM
Sally Hill says:

Interesting read; however, it is not fair to suggest over and over that Obama is the 'not-yet-president'. Obama himself CREATED that perception by that silly little placard he so prominently displayed on his podium that read "OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT-ELECT". I guess he knows the majority of the populace have no idea such an 'office' doesn't exist (since that's the majority that voted for him). He has only himself to blame for the flack he is getting 'before' taking office as he put that exact impression out there to the public.

The majority of the populace may have no idea about his policies and whether 'office of the president-elect' exists or not, but I'm fairly certain that the majority of the populace knows corruption when they see it - now, whether that majority will be honest about it when it comes to 'The One' - is another story.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 9:50AM
Sally Hill says:

Interesting read; however, it is not fair to suggest over and over that Obama is the 'not-yet-president'. Obama himself CREATED that perception by that silly little placard he so prominently displayed on his podium that read "OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT-ELECT". I guess he knows the majority of the populace have no idea such an 'office' doesn't exist (since that's the majority that voted for him). He has only himself to blame for the flack he is getting 'before' taking office as he put that exact impression out there to the public.

The majority of the populace may have no idea about his policies and whether 'office of the president-elect' exists or not, but I'm fairly certain that the majority of the populace knows corruption when they see it - now, whether that majority will be honest about it when it comes to 'The One' - is another story.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 9:50AM
JQA says:

It is clear that Blagojevich and Obama have the same play book. Lie, deny and stonewall. Interestingly, I think that was the name of the law firm Obama worked for.

Obama posts a worthless document called a Certification of Live Birth or short form abstract to pro-Obama websites and they announce he is a "natural born citizen". To this day there is no evidence or any statement from the Democratic Party that Obama meets the "natural born" standard of the Constitution and we are on the eve of swearing in an ineligible President.

Obama conducts his own investigation into the Blagojevich scandal and announces he is cleared of any connection.

The Democrats are now like a cat in the litter box trying to cover these plonkers as quickly as they can. The stench remains.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 11:37AM
GiorgioNYC says:

JQA, you are out of your fucking right-wing mind.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 12:31PM
Luke Gardner says:

I think Dennis Miller said it best (strangely enough): "I want Obama to succeed because I love my country." Whether you like Obama or not, he's got a monumental task ahead of him.

These blogs are perfect examples of people rejecting an ideology because of their associations with it (those "liberals," and since that's a dirty word to the conservative bloggers, anything a liberal does is bad) not its actual ideas, its goals, its basic desire to make the country better, its ultimate effect on society.

Bigotry comes in many forms - rejecting an ideology offhand without really knowing it is just another form.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 1:00PM
The Critic says:

Cuh-razy, the rightwingers have found your site and are ready to get to work attacking you. Oddly enough, they seem to have regular problems with entering duplicate blog comments. Sally and Eric, be patient, be patient. Your spittle will be posted in due time. Sheesh.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 1:34PM
Halloween Jack says:

No point in addressing the wingnuts who have wandered in here by mistake; they'll find some bright shiny objects to distract themselves with soon enough, I'm sure.

I did want to comment on that Jonah Goldberg quote from that other blog that you do (since the comments system seems to be broken, at least for me): "I haven't followed the allegations that are causing Richardson such trouble." He then proceeds to babble on about them. Jonah is an unstoppable juggernaut of smug ignorance. Ignornaut?

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 1:40PM
Kathy says:

"I haven't followed the allegations that are causing Richardson such trouble."

Amazing that Goldberg gets paid to (so often) opine upon subjects he admits knowing nothing about! Imagine his High School Science Project "...I haven't actually read the textbook, listened to lectures or carried out the experiment, but in my opinion...blahblahblah...this proves "Liberals are NAZIs!..."

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 3:08PM
Al says:

Why stop with just these clowns? There's also Caroline Kennedy basically buying her way into a Senate seat. And the clown prince, Al Franken with the corruption in Minnesota. The Illinois corruption is so blatant and obvious that Obama is either the stupidest and blindest politician alive or the coolest and slickest liar making the Clintons look like amateurs. This democrat freak show is going to be fun to watch as it implodes.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 3:59PM
Hope 'n Circuses says:

I would think that one would have to admit that these are a lot of scandals surrounding Obama-and he hasn't even been sworn in yet. Every time I think, "Well, that's the last one for a while," up pops another one a week or so later.

Also coming down the pike is some kind of pay-to-play thing involving Hillary in NY, and the proceedings concerning the Norman Hsu case are coming along in the next week or so. Also, I'm still wondering if Tony Rezko really, really wants to do prison time or if he's going to talk (if he hasn't already).

As for the birth certificate, all he has to do is allow it to be released-but he obviously knows that most Americans are unaware of or don't buy the whole BC thing...they think he'll make their bank accounts healthier (for some odd reason I've never been able to figure out) so they wouldn't care anyway.

But, I suppose come Jan. 20th everything is going to magically straighten out and all the crookedness will disappear with BHO at the helm. Yeah, right.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 4:20PM
Andrea says:

I'm a former Democrat turned Libertarian who is not against Blago. In fact I find him very courageous. I don't know or care too much about any of his corruption. I know what is almost never mentioned in these articles. The day before he was arrested he stood up against the Bank of America and told them Illinois would stop doing business with the Bank unless they used some of the Bailout money to finance a major Chicago window company. I was strongly against the Bailout (e-mailed, called, mailed and faxed all my reps), but now that the banks have our money, they should give it the hell back! The Bank caved in a week or so ago. Go Blago! On a similar note, Eliot Spitzer was speaking out strongly against the earlier bailouts, see the Washington Post article he wrote, so they had to disgrace him into retiring. I admire them both, but Blago has even more balls!

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 4:35PM
julia says:

Actually, pretty much the only local support Caroline Kennedy has around here is Republican mayor Mike Bloomberg and his Deputy Mayor (and the guy who ran the '04 Republican convention) Mr. Sheekey. Right now, Cuomo is running twenty points ahead of her among Democrats.

And please, I beg of whatever kindly rightblogger is listening, feel free to stop Holder.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 4:49PM
Leeds man says:

Libertarians are turning on Obama too.

Imagine the panicked horror running through Obama's team.

It is clear that Blagojevich and Obama have the same play book.

When a wingnut starts with "it is clear that", you can be sure comedy follows. It is clear that global warming is a hoax, etc.

I would think that one would have to admit that these are a lot of scandals surrounding Obama-and he hasn't even been sworn in yet.

If you could think, you would see that the "scandals surrounding Obama" are manufactured by the people Roy is eviscerating.

Jesus, how do these people breathe and type at the same time?

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 5:27PM
atheist says:

Libertarians are turning on Obama too. The honeymoon is over, as far as we're concerned. And though, we don't always agree with our sometimes tin-foil hat conservative cousins, on this...

Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out, Libertarians.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 5:36PM
Trollhattan says:

Mein Gott, it's Al!

This is a rare treat, Roy, even though it probably doesn't seem so. Hours, nay, days of fun to follow if you've got the Al remora attached.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 6:29PM
synykyl says:

... Jesus, how do these people breathe and type at the same time? ...

They don't. They hyperventilate between bursts of keystrokes.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 7:51PM
JQA says:

Sorry I am not a "right winger". This last election was a joke on so many different levels. It has exposed the depths our countries political system has fallen. It appears that neither candidate may have been eligible under the Constitution as a "natural born citizen". Unfortunately the Obama press corp only covered the McCain part of that.

For a trip down memory lane for you here is a Hillary blog site, there are many others that was riff with this discussion that neither Obama or McCain met the "natural born" standard. The questions about Obama's eligibility goes back to February of last year. Obama and the Democratic Party had that long to produce valid evidence that he meets the standard. The DNC has been conspicuously absent in this issue, and the only information was the worthless COLB Obama produced and that all of the press and Obamabots claim is valid evidence that he was born in Hawaii. It is not.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/11/clinton-obama-agree-mccains-a-natural-born-citizen/?mod=WSJBlog

At least McCain produced his certified birth certificate. Obama produces a worthless document and the Obama press corp goes to work and tries to bury it. You are continuing that by ignoring the fact that Obama has to this day never been qualified for the office he seeks.

Obama could pay $10.00 and produce a copy of his certified birth certificate that would include verifiable facts such as the name of the hospital, doctors and witnesses. Here is a Hawaiian land program that explains why the Certification of Live Birth is not good to prove eligibility and it is the same reason it is not valid to prove if Obama is a "natural born citizen". The short form Certification produced by Obama does not contain any verifiable facts. Refer to pages 7-11:

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%20Ka%20Aina%20Hoopulapula.pdf

There are now upwards of 30 lawsuits filed around the country. Two hearings coming up with the Supreme Court on Jan. 09 and Jan. 16 on the natural born issue. None of these cases to date have allowed discovery to get to the Obama records that he has buried. Most of these cases have been dismissed on the legal technicality of lack of standing. Alan Keyes was on the ballot with Obama in California and his suit is filed in Sacramento Superior Court naming Obama, Biden, Debra Bowen and the 55 Democratic Electors. As Keyes was on the ballot with Obama this case does not suffer the lack of standing. It will not take a court long to cut through this once Obama's records are produced through discovery. A determination can then be made if he is or is not a "natural born citizen".

Other recent lawsuits include a retired military officer that is still in the reserves who is asking the court to verify Obama is a natural born citizen and hence eligible to be the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. He will have standing.

The DNC and Obama have put their interests over those of the Constitution and the American people on this issue. If Obama takes the oath of office knowing he does not pass the "natural born test" it will have serious repercussions when the truth comes out and he is removed from office.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 8:08PM
Nobamanomics says:

Is anyone feeling tricked yet? New Deal 2009 on it's way.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 8:08PM
Nobamanomics says:

Is anyone feeling tricked yet? New Deal 2009 on it's way.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 8:09PM
Leeds man says:

It has exposed the depths our countries political system has fallen.

Where the fuck were you between 2000 and 2008? A cave in Afghanistan?

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 8:20PM
George Bedway says:

The comments of Giorgio, telling another commenter that he is out of his
--------mind is so typical of the Left. Having no capability to think independently, beyond what their professors spike into their heads, they resort instantly to vituperous insult. This is the state of dialogue in the US today. Ah well, all those we saw on TV who voted for Obama but didn't know which
party controlled Congress, have lots of company. A civics test should be required for all would be voters; but who could teach the course?

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 8:51PM
synykyl says:

... If Obama takes the oath of office knowing he does not pass the "natural born test" it will have serious repercussions when the truth comes out and he is removed from office. ...

You are clearly typing too long between breathing breaks.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 8:54PM
Leeds man says:

A civics test should be required for all would be voters; but who could teach the course?

Again, where were you in 2004? The people who voted for Bush were the ones who had no idea what their candidate stood for. "vituperous insult" is the only civilized response to the last eight years. So, fuck you and your morally vacuous and truly obscene torture-enabling fellow-travellers.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 9:29PM
atheist says:
New Deal 2009 on it's way.

Honestly, I sure hope so!

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 10:12PM
Righteous Bubba says:

"Many liberals enjoyed the disgusting attacks on President Bush by anti-American critics around the world. It will be interesting to see how they react when Obama is the target."

Have you not gotten it through your skulls yet that we crazy liberals hate America and all it stands for?

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 10:31PM
Mnemosyne says:

I love how the rightbloggers are so obsessed with the idea that all Illinois politicians get together for a huge orgy twice a week that they completely missed the fact that Blago and Bobby Rush got together to try and embarrass Obama in front of the whole country.

Either that, or they're so used to Republican intra-party politics that it doesn't seem odd to them that members of their own party would try to cut their balls off.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 10:36PM
Mnemosyne says:

I love how the rightbloggers are so obsessed with the idea that all Illinois politicians get together for a huge orgy twice a week that they completely missed the fact that Blago and Bobby Rush got together to try and embarrass Obama in front of the whole country.

Either that, or they're so used to Republican intra-party politics that it doesn't seem odd to them that members of their own party would try to cut their balls off.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 10:39PM
parsec says:

Oh, please stay on that birth certificate hobby horse. Spend years and much treasure on it. Devote your entire political lives to it. Neglect everything else in favor of it. Oh please, oh please.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 10:40PM
TR says:

New Deal 2009 on it's way.

Maybe it'll bring some grammar and spelling lessons for you.

And holy shit, we're all scared of another New Deal. That whole ending-the-Depression and saving-capitalism shit was horrible. Horrible!

Go crawl back into your cave, moron.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 11:21PM
Brian says:

Keep stomping your feet with the bizarre conspiracy theories, wingnuts.

It. Is. ADORABLE!

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 11:23PM
Colt McCoy says:

So this is how conservatism ends. Not with a bang, but a bunch of whimpering.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 5 2009 @ 11:41PM
thalightguy says:

Open Letter to Congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjhkHTcU2ug

The video is part of a presentation that I made for Congressman Tom Cole. I personally delivered this to his office in Norman, Oklahoma.

The audio comes from a true Patriot, a Vietnam Vet from Arizona.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 1:28AM
kia says:

Why do they all sound like Captain Ahab after this birth certificate or whatever the latest hobby-horse is? I keep seeing the same narrow range of about three mental activities: contempt, obsessive ratiocination about symbols and other trivia, and then rage. Lots of rage. At the very least couldn't they change the subject to something human? Do they keep an aquarium, do needlepoint, secretly enjoy Gilbert and Sullivan? What do they do that makes them happy when they aren't raging about the preseidnt-elect's birth certificate? They should do more of it.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 4:41AM
Jackson says:

I'm fairly certain that the majority of the populace knows corruption when they see it

And sadly for Sally, we also know stupid when we see it.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 7:07AM
Tiny Tyrant says:

what a thread!

worth the price of admission, alone.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 8:52AM
John Protevi says:

what a thread!

worth the price of admission, alone.

Nay, double or triple the price, I say!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 11:07AM
Ted says:

The Hawaiian Birth Certificate issue is a red herring.

It wouldn't matter if Obama were born in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House, he is not eligible to be President since he is not a Constitutional Article II natural born citizen as he himself delcares on his website that his dad was Kenyan/British, not American, citizen when he was born.

He may (or may not) be a full American citizen as under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution; but citizen is NOT the same as the unique requirement set by the Constitution's framers, that being natural born citizen, in order to be President of the US.

Case closed.
The US Supreme Court will not let him pass. No way!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 11:32AM
Ted says:

The Hawaiian Birth Certificate issue is a red herring.

It wouldn't matter if Obama were born in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House, he is not eligible to be President since he is not a Constitutional Article II natural born citizen as he himself delcares on his website that his dad was Kenyan/British, not American, citizen when he was born.

He may (or may not) be a full American citizen as under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution; but citizen is NOT the same as the unique requirement set by the Constitution's framers, that being natural born citizen, in order to be President of the US.

Case closed.
The US Supreme Court will not let him pass. No way!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 11:33AM
Mr. Wonderful says:

"The US Supreme Court will not let him pass. No way!"

This is why America is great: thousands of lawyers, historians, journalists, and politicians (of all political persuasions) can somehow miss this important fact, but we still have the Village Voice to permit Ted to announce the truth.

As we say to encourage our youth when they learn to tie their shoes: Good job!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 11:52AM
Patrick says:

The Village Voice should fund a monument to be placed at the hospital in Moombassa where Barry Soetoro was born.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 12:18PM
Jay B. says:

"The short form Certification produced by Obama does not contain any verifiable facts."

Awesome. Your birth certificate — the founding bureaucratic acknowledgment of one's life — is now not sufficient for verification of your birth.

"It wouldn't matter if Obama were born in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House,"

But that would be a weird coincidence, wouldn't it?

"...he is not eligible to be President since he is not a Constitutional Article II natural born citizen as he himself delcares on his website that his dad was Kenyan/British, not American, citizen when he was born."

Exactly. That's exactly what James Madison — whose father was British, as were Thomas Jefferson's, George Washington's and John Adams' — was aiming for with the whole "natural born" thing. Hey "civic lesson" guy -- you wanna point out the flaws with the "father's origin" thesis, or is that too liberal for you?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 1:04PM
Jay B. says:

"The short form Certification produced by Obama does not contain any verifiable facts."

Awesome. Your birth certificate — the founding bureaucratic acknowledgment of one's life — is now not sufficient for verification of your birth.

"It wouldn't matter if Obama were born in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House,"

But that would be a weird coincidence, wouldn't it?

"...he is not eligible to be President since he is not a Constitutional Article II natural born citizen as he himself delcares on his website that his dad was Kenyan/British, not American, citizen when he was born."

Exactly. That's exactly what James Madison — whose father was British, as were Thomas Jefferson's, George Washington's and John Adams' — was aiming for with the whole "natural born" thing. Hey "civic lesson" guy -- you wanna point out the flaws with the "father's origin" thesis, or is that too liberal for you?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 1:06PM
Joe says:

Did you ever hear the definition of a liberal that goes: A liberal is someone who stops to help you change a flat tire and ends up setting your car on fire?
It's an old one but still fits.
Thanks for your good intentions and eagerness to make the country better, but first do no harm.
It would be best if you guys spend your four years lining your pockets which you are pretty good at, and left everything else alone.
Joe

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 1:32PM
synykyl says:

I don't know Joe, after the last eight years of corruption and incompetence that sounds more like the definition of a conservative to me. (Except for part about good intentions)

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 2:42PM
mister willie says:

Wow Joe, do no harm, don't line your pockets. Good thing you were in an alternate universe the last 8 years. Your head would explode if you knew how monumentally corrupt and incompetent the conservatives proved to be.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 2:43PM
Joe says:

If anyone could prove conservatives are more corrupt than liberals my head would explode. For you libs, prove means presenting facts that support your position, something as a group, you aren't used to, since in liberal circles simply saying it makes it true.
We know from Nicholas Kristof, liberals are cheap. That may be unfair because liberals are always ready to help as long as it is with someone else's money.
Anyone ever wonder, with Ted Kennedy's concern for the poor, his own fortune never seems to run out. Maybe it is a loaves and fishes deal. It sure smells like fish.
Joe

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 3:34PM
Leeds man says:

but first do no harm

From a wingnut no less. Funniest thing I've read all day.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 3:35PM
Ryan says:

but first do no harm

For evidence of conservatives living out the "first do no harm" principle, please see: the Constitution, the city of New Orleans, the Middle East, the economy, the infrastructure, the national debt, and America's credibility abroad.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 3:49PM
TR says:

If anyone could prove conservatives are more corrupt than liberals my head would explode.

You mean you haven't already been convinced by the recent string of indictments, convictions and guilty pleas of Rep. Duke Cunningham, GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff, White House official David Safavian, Sen. Ted Stevens, Rep. Don Young, Rep. Bob Ney, Majority Leader Tom DeLay, Brent Wilkes, Dusty Foggo, Claude Allen, Bernie Kerik ...

Sorry, chump. Sounds like you don't have a head to begin with.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 3:57PM
ignatov says:

Oh, please stay on that birth certificate hobby horse. Spend years and much treasure on it. Devote your entire political lives to it. Neglect everything else in favor of it. Oh please, oh please.

And don't forget to give money to the "Palin in 2012" campaign. She's the future of your party!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 4:06PM
TR says:

And don't forget to give money to the "Palin in 2012" campaign. She's the future of your party!

Definitely. We liberals are so so scared of her! The reason you lost in 2008 was that the party didn't seem conservative and incompetent enough! Embrace your destiny!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 4:10PM
Joe says:

Corruption is a human nature problem and not confined to conservatives or Republicans. I know this will shock you libs but Charlie Rangel is corrupt, so is Chris Dodd. . We all know where William Jefferson keeps his cash, but did you know he diverted a military truck that was there to rescue people, to his house to pick up the freezer that held the cash? Pretty caring, pretty liberal.
Ever heard of Bob Torecelli? Your man Richardson seems to have a problem.
Blago may be one of your more honest liberals.
Joe

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 4:43PM
synykyl says:

... If anyone could prove conservatives are more corrupt than liberals my head would explode. ...

Vacuums implode.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 4:49PM
TR says:

That's all you've got, Joe? Of the mere five you name, only two -- Jefferson and Torecelli -- are proven to be corrupt outside the wingnutosphere. Blago surely is, but his Republican predecessor was too.

So ... you can name two whole corrupt Democrats, I named eleven convicted/confessed Republicans. Two is less than eleven, right?

I know Republicans are incompetent at everything under the sun, but I didn't realize elementary school math was one of their many, many failings too.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 5:42PM
Jay B. says:

Corruption is a human nature problem and not confined to conservatives or Republicans.

Then what the fuck are you bitching about? You just completed an entire argument with yourself.

And I feel dumber for reading it.

PS: There's not a soul here who doesn't think Democratic politicians can be crooked whores. But son, there's graft and then there's honest graft. Democrats know the difference.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 5:48PM
Joe says:

Now that I feel I know you libs a little,perhaps, I may ask you a personal question.
Do you all have a socket in the back of your heads, like the one in the movie Matrix? I figure you plug in at night and receive your alternative reality directly from the New York Times. Am I correct? You never have to think, and facts never have to be considered. You feel great because you have good intentions are part of a crowd that thinks like you
. Why think for yourselves when you can let the NYT professionals do it for you?
How am I doing?
The mind of a liberal is a facinating place, like space, so open, so empty.
If you never associate with conservatives, reality never intrudes on your world.
If challenged you say correctly "I got my information from the New York Times" and that's the end of it. It feels good.
So easy to be a liberal.
Joe

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 5:55PM
Ryan says:

Joe, if your goal was to come here and demonstrate for everyone that conservatives are delusional paranoid assholes, then MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Because I'm sure all those convicted Republicans listed above ... all of that didn't really happen. Oh no. It's all part of the conspiracy perpetuated by the New York Times.

Do they work with the moon people? Does the tinfoil hat keep them at bay?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 6:22PM
TR says:

You never have to think, and facts never have to be considered. You feel great because you have good intentions are part of a crowd that thinks like you

Megadittos, Rush. Megadittos.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 6:33PM
Superbly Anonymous says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coingate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Taft

And that's just Ohio Republicans in the year 2005. And where was our national media (or, in Joe terms, the Vast Left-Wing Media Conspiracy) to broadcast this nationally?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 6:41PM
Righteous Bubba says:

If anyone could prove conservatives are more corrupt than liberals my head would explode.

Webcam?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 7:41PM
Leeds man says:

Why think for yourselves when you can let the NYT professionals do it for you?

They think at the NYT? If someone in the Bush Administration said the Earth was flat, the headline in the NYT would say "Opinions differ as to shape of Earth" (someone much funnier than me wrote that, but I forget who).

I get my opinions by direct telepathic communication with George Soros and Alec Baldwin.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 7:48PM
Ed says:

How dumb do you have to be to think a guy who grew up (politically speaking) in Chicago politics is NOT corrupt?

And sure there are corrupt Republicans too. That's really beside the point. Obama has been surrounded by crooks for decades. To think that somehow he rose above it all is naive at best, stupid at worst.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 8:30PM
Anonymous says:

I have to admit I've never heard of the last four of those convicted Republicans.
Weren't 4 of the Keating 5 Democrats? Bob Bennett, Bill Clinton's Lawyer, said McCain was included even though he did nothing wrong, because the Democrats who controlled Congress wouldn't let the investigation go forward unless a Republican was included along with the real crooks, the Keating 4. Bennett was the Prosecutor and a Democrat, I don't know why.
It looks to me that by the time the Dems have had control of Congress for a while, they will have a crop of convicted felons that will make that list of Republicans look like a joke. And the Democrat voters will re-elect most of them, or at least re-nominate them.
Anyone giving odds on a Rahm Emmanuel indictment? Anyone seen Rahm Emmanuel or know his whereabouts
Joe

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 8:35PM
Anonymous says:

New Deal 2009 on it's way.

Maybe it'll bring some grammar and spelling lessons for you.

And holy shit, we're all scared of another New Deal. That whole ending-the-Depression and saving-capitalism shit was horrible. Horrible!

Go crawl back into your cave, moron.

Posted by: TR at January 5, 2009 11:21 PM

Holy s**t! There are still people out there who think FDR ended the Great Depression? Wow. Must have attended a publik skool I suppose.

Moron, WW2 ended the depression. All FDR and his New Deal did was extend a severe recession of 1929-1932 to a decade long DEPRESSION. Unemployment in 1940 was just slightly lower than when FDR took over in 1933.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 8:38PM
TR says:

Joe

Posted by: Anonymous at January 6, 2009 8:35 PM

If you're going to go with "Anonymous" you might try not signing the post also.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 8:52PM
TR says:

Unemployment in 1940 was just slightly lower than when FDR took over in 1933.

According to the official government records [Historical Statistics US (1976) series D-86], the unemployment rate at the end of 1932 was 24.9%. At the end of 1941, as America entered the war, it was down to 9.9%.

Again, conservatives are really great at math. And history.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 8:58PM
Anonymous says:

Alec Baldwin is one of my favorite actors. Too bad he doesn't have the gift of humility to know he doesn't know anything worthwhile about politics. Einstein, he is not. Einstein knew he knew little about politics. Too bad Hollywood liberals aren't that smart or that humble.

Joe

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 8:59PM
TR says:

Too bad he doesn't have the gift of humility to know he doesn't know anything worthwhile about politics. Einstein, he is not. Einstein knew he knew little about politics. Too bad Hollywood liberals aren't that smart or that humble.

President Ronald Reagan, former Hollywood actor, Republican.

Governor Arnold Schwarzeneggar, former Hollywood actor, Republican.

Senator Fred Thompson, former Hollywood actor, Republican.

I guess they didn't know a thing about politics either?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 9:03PM
Joe says:

I don't think Ronald Reagan or Fred Thompson are Hollywood Liberals, though Arnold may be.
Aren't Republicans in Hollywood Blacklisted these Days? I think Jon Voight says so.
Typical liberal behavior, practicing yourself what you condemn in others. Liberalism is a beautiful thing for those living in an alternative reality.
Joe

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 9:20PM
TR says:

Liberalism is a beautiful thing for those living in an alternative reality.

Is that the alternative reality where the drop in unemployment from 24.9% to 9.9% is just "slightly lower"?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 9:36PM
Leeds man says:

Aren't Republicans in Hollywood Blacklisted these Days? I think Jon Voight says so.

Yeah, poor guy can't get work. Blacklisted? The conservative assault on language and common sense continues apace.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 9:39PM
Ryan says:

All FDR and his New Deal did was extend a severe recession of 1929-1932 to a decade long DEPRESSION.

As much as I respect the opinions of anonymous cranks on the internet, you might want to listen to what an actual historian has to say on this:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/01/hear_if_fdr_had_done_nothing.html

He uses a lot of "facts" and "data" to prove his point, though, so you might not be persuaded.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 9:59PM
Joe says:

I think Jon Voight said he was denied a role because of his politics. Liberals are still complaining sixty years later about Dalton Trombow being denied work but I guess it is OK since in this case a conservative is blacklisted.
What happened to fair play, or doesn't that exist in the liberal dreamworld?
Joe

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 10:05PM
Joe says:

Ryan,
Why not summarize your point then provide a link for those who want to read more?
Joe

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 10:10PM
Ryan says:

It's a ten minute radio segment, Joe. I'm not going to transcribe it for you.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 10:20PM
Leeds man says:

Voight denied a role. Trumbo? A year in jail, $1000 fine, and unable to work in the USA. I think this is what conservatives and other psychopaths call "equivalence".

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009 @ 11:08PM
Jackson says:

How dumb do you have to be to think a guy who grew up (politically speaking) in Chicago politics is NOT corrupt?

How dumb do you have to be to listen to tapes of the corrupt Illinois governor cussing Obama out because he won't engage in corruption, and then to hear US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald insist Obama did nothing wrong, and still think he IS corrupt?

Wait, I think you already answered that for us.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jan. 7 2009 @ 9:54AM
commie atheist says:

Jonah is an unstoppable juggernaut of smug ignorance. Ignornaut?

Good word. I picture Jonah floating endlessly in the vastness of outer space, where no one can hear you fart.

Nice to see the Little Green Shitballs crowd here. Welcome, Angry Joe from Secaucus!

Posted On: Wednesday, Jan. 7 2009 @ 11:34AM
ignatov says:

Moron, WW2 ended the depression.

Good thing we've got those two wars in the Middle East to save our economy this time. Spending 12 billion a month to make bombs to drop on people is such a good use of our resources. Prosperity is just around the corner!

Posted On: Wednesday, Jan. 7 2009 @ 1:20PM
sarah says:

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Posted On: Thursday, Jan. 8 2009 @ 1:00AM
Dr. Squid says:

Sally Hill:

Please elaborate about your journey toward becoming an anti-American conservative.

Posted On: Thursday, Jan. 8 2009 @ 7:26PM
Dr. Squid says:

And sure there are corrupt Republicans too.

And conservatives vote for them no matter what, as opposed to liberals to Rosty and Dollar Bill Jefferson. Point?

Posted On: Thursday, Jan. 8 2009 @ 7:30PM
Dr. Squid says:

5 minutes here and I already know that Joe hates the very concept of America.

Sometimes I wish that you America-hating conservatives would take your own advice about the whole "love it or leave it" thing.

Posted On: Thursday, Jan. 8 2009 @ 7:34PM
Joe says:

Dr. Squid,
What concept of America are you talking about?
Joe

Posted On: Thursday, Jan. 8 2009 @ 8:43PM
Leeds man says:

Hey Joe, said now
Where you gonna run to now?
Where you gonna run to?
Hey Joe, I said where you gonna run to now?
Where you, where you gonna go?

Posted On: Friday, Jan. 9 2009 @ 9:10PM
Nobamanomics says:

Is obama white or black,the omama of obama was white and his odaddy was black and from africa so is he the first real african american in this country?I know most blacks in this country have never seen africa but they call themselves african american when alot of my black freinds are from barbados,they call them selves african americans,why can't they call themselves americans? Does having dark skin make you from Africa?I know why obama can't, because I dont think he even knows his own real name.Is It Barry Sotorro or Barrack Sotorro.Barry Obama,Hussien Sotorro,Ive heard it is Barrack Hussein Obama,But I haven't ever heard him call himself that,All I have heard is whoever named me hussein never imagined that I would run for the presidency of the united states.I wish I knew for sure what to call him I guess until I know I will just call him Bill or Bawney or Todd maybe Hillary.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jan. 14 2009 @ 10:23PM

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