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By Roy Edroso, Sunday, May. 24 2009 @ 9:41PM
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Categories: Exploring the Right Wing Blogosphere
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The rabid temperament of the political blogosphere can be confusing to the uninitiated. To better understand it, think of a large group of intellectually ambitious pre-teens, squared off in an endless debate festival. Also imagine that this festival is unsupervised and unmoderated, with no adults around to coach or keep score. In such an environment you would expect most of the participants to quickly lose sight of any long-term strategy, and seek only an immediate frisson of victory -- which, in this free-wheeling environment, would mean positive feedback from one's peers.

This isn't all bad. It unleashes creative energy and animal vitality, and sometimes promotes talents which might not have thrived in a more structured environment. But because the overwhelming motivation is to hit back fast and hard at anything that seems to contradict one's position, without a pause for anything like thought, it also encourages responses that might play well among one's comrades, but might also be incomprehensible or even ridiculous to anyone else.

Take the folks at RedState, a dedicated conservative activist site that was "established in May of 2004' and claims to have "played an integral role in the right's fight online against the left" -- which, given conservatism's fortunes since that time, is something we imagine they'd like to keep quiet.

As we've noted before, RedState devotes itself not only to promoting conservatism (as with its fanciful "RedState Strike Force"), but also policing it, its editor in chief Erick Erickson establishing after the last election "Operation Leper" to drum ideologically impure comrades out of the movement.

You can see the fruits of this approach in Erickson's* reaction at RedState to Tom Ridge, who recently attempted to distance the Republican Party from the rhetoric of Rush Limbaugh. The former Pennsylvania governor, part of a vanishing breed of Republicans able to succeed in the blue Northeast, said, "let's not attack other individuals. Let's attack their ideas."

This is an open invitation for a sane person to distinguish the role of political entertainer from that of a politician. But Erickson is not taking that bait. "Since when," he asks, "has Rush attacked individuals?"

Normal people may pause here. Limbaugh has played comedy tributes to Obama and Barney Frank called "Barack the Magic Negro" and "Banking Queen," respectively. He's referred to Obama as a "full-fledged man-child narcissist," compared Chelsea Clinton to a dog, and said that a picture of Nancy Pelosi would promote contraception. It's part of his schtick.

Erickson explains, "He certainly pokes fun at some of them, but he highlights absurdities of character, etc. in pointing out the fallacies of positions on the left." Presumably Pelosi's physical appearance is a direct result of the liberal policy on facelifts.

The post, by the way, is entitled, "Tom Ridge Lies."

RedState's Moe Lane later treats the unfortunate RNC ad comparing Pelosi to Octapussy from the Bond movie, or something -- its point is not entirely clear. Even some rightbloggers and Republican politicians find the thing absurd, but Lane thinks it justified by the rough treatment liberals has dished out to Sarah Palin et alia -- that is, "Personally, I'll start taking said Left-outrage more seriously when they start reacting to attempted media rapes of conservative female public figures in any way besides helping to pin the victim's shoulders to the table." (He also says the Left "beat feminism to death with a tire iron as part of their winning Presidential election strategy," though he does not elaborate -- maybe defeating Hillary Clinton was Obama's death-blow to feminism.)

To denounce the ad as offensive would be a waste of time, as its main offense is incoherence -- at least to anyone not already devoted to the cause. Though it details via news clips the dispute between Pelosi and the CIA as to whether she was fully informed of the agency's conduct of detainee interrogation, it offers no evidence one way or the other; it merely frames it with Bond movie music and images, with a random imputation at the end that the Democrats are pussies.

But that doesn't matter to the debate squad: it's part of the team's effort, and must be defended. "No we don't always have to be so crass," admits Macsmind, "but we don't have to walk around like we have our tails between our legs either. Why I don't relish the idea of a Botox-Incrusted 69 year old hag as 'Pussy-Galore', the comparison in action is quite accurate."

William A. Jacobson tries harder to have it both ways, agreeing that the ad is not useful to the cause but spending most of his post in defense of it against "hypocrisy from the left." And he brings what he must imagine are killer points. For one thing, he says, the site Politico maintains that "the Republican National Committee wants you to think 'Pussy Galore,'" when in fact "the opening camera-aperture shot and theme music are not from Goldfinger, but from the movie Dr. No." Also, whereas Taylor Marsh says "a naked woman behind the tag line," Jacobson says, "Look at it and it's hard to tell what is behind the tag line, much less a 'naked woman.'"

You can imagine him retucking his shirt in triumph. Even as he admits the presentation is flawed, he has done his bit for the team. Some of the brethren acknowledge his success. But the renowned semiotician Jeff Goldstein of Protein Wisdom finds his effort insufficient. "Abandon all hope. Because these guys are our new spokespeople," he says. "...you can criticize the video on its rhetorical / aesthetic merits, and that's fine. But when you suggest that the GOP shouldn't be running such ads because they force candidates down the line to have to answer the 'arguments' made by the cynically 'outraged' left, you are necessarily shaping conduct."

In case you don't get what the italicized passage means, Goldstein further italicizes: "It is well and good that the GOP be more careful about how it makes its point if the concern is that the point was not made effectively. It is NOT well and good to express 'concern' when the concern being expressed is that a completely predictable reaction by the left could negatively affect 'not just the RNC, but candidates down the line.'"

If that doesn't convince you, go read the whole thing and try your luck. To the extent that we could salvage a point from it, it would seem to be that conservatives should not worry about the liberals' "intellectually dishonest" response to their work, because... well, because it's intellectually dishonest, we guess.

As to whether someone who is a noncombatant in these blog debates would see the ad and think, "You're right, Nancy Pelosi is like a Bond supervillainess," none of these guys seems to have given it a moment's thought. Which may be a clue as to why, despite their Strike Force and Operation Leper and strong defenses of their own superior logic, they haven't managed to achieve much in recent years. Were they interested in convincing anyone outside their cadres, they might try a different approach. It is their tragedy, and our comedy, that they remain more interested in dishing out what they know will draw high-fives from their own bench.

* Update -- Glenn Reynolds points out that this was Erickson, not Moe Lane as previously rendered. Thanks, Perfesser -- but where'd you get "expert"?

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julia says:

William A. Jacobson fills me with joy. Who better to debate the subtlety of the naked woman in the background of the ad calling somebody's grandma a pussy than a guy who spent three days in a full-body paroxysm of indignation over Obama's taste in mustard?

Well, except for Jeff Goldstein, of course.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 8:00AM
Dan Collins says:

You're right about Goldstein's response. There's no reason in worrying about how a leftist might willingly misinterpret your point by shouting "sexist," "racist" or any of the "phobes." Particularly after all the vagina spelunking performed on Sarah Palin by Andrew Sullivan, the deft use of the b*tch and c*nt cards by Perez Hilton, the "house negro" smear against Condi Rice, &ct ad nauseam. It's a matter, simply, of who owns the gory ox in this particular instance, trapped up transvestively in self-righteous hoo-ha.

The funny thing about Dijongate (since it's been mentioned) was the lenghth to which Andrea Mitchell and company went to suppress the information that Just Arugula guy wanted special mustard on his burger. But beyond that, it was Cinco de Cinco, which is the day after Cinco de Cuatro, which celebrates a Mexican victory over *drumroll* the French. And how does he celebrate? With French mustard. If the Mexicans hadn't won that battle, we'd all be eating tacqueax a la dijonnaise. Think, people.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 8:27AM
Realist says:

Dijongate - the happy ending:

President and Laura Bush's Deviled Eggs Recipe

12 large eggs, boiled hard and peeled
1 Tbsp (plus) soft butter
1 Tbsp (plus) mayonnaise
1 Tbsp Dijon mustard
1/2 tsp Yucatan Sunshine Habanero sauce
Salt to taste

I now expect a bunch of conservative weaseling on how it's perfectly okay to use Dijon in deviled eggs; it's only putting it on cheeseburgers that leads to socialism.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 8:52AM
ultranaut says:

Dude, full on in-their-faces slam-dunk. *high-fives, chest-bumps*

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 9:15AM
serr8d says:

I wonder if Dijon mustard was served in Katie's Restaurant?

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 9:23AM
julia says:

as reluctant as I am to differ with prominent online feminist and etiquette expert Dan Collins on matters of taste and discrimination, it does strike me that Andrew Sullivan, Perez Hilton and whatever random blog commenter the Rice quote did or didn't come from are not the elected leadership of, er, anything.

The RNC, on the other hand, while it clearly isn't the effective leadership of anything, is the nominal representative organization of the Republican party.

None of it is as important as mustard, of course.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 9:23AM
Igor Marxomarxovich says:

Old Russian saying, You can tell same lie 1000 time(Ms. Pelosi) but not change truth.

Difference between USSR Communist media and USA "mainstream media"

In Russia government make media say what they want - even if lie.

In USA "mainstream media" try make government what they want - even if lie..

.....eventually they become same thing?!

I Igor produce Obmama birth certificate at www.igormarxo.org

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 9:25AM
roy edroso says:

Dude, full on in-their-faces slam-dunk. *high-fives, chest-bumps*

I am not unaware of the irony. (retucks shirt)

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 9:53AM
Jim Treacher says:

as reluctant as I am to differ with prominent online feminist and etiquette expert Dan Collins on matters of taste and discrimination, it does strike me that Andrew Sullivan, Perez Hilton and whatever random blog commenter the Rice quote did or didn't come from are not the elected leadership of, er, anything.

Yet!

The RNC really should have compared Pelosi to that other famous Bond villainess, Ivana Fibbalot.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 10:20AM
ignatov says:

"its main offense is incoherence"

You can say that again. The RNC seems to have become seriously unhinged.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 1:43PM
Phil says:

The Village Voice is still in business? Wow, I thought you were done a decade ago.

Great! Now I know where I can find an avenue for post-modern Leftist holier-than-thou sanctimoniousness. And then promptly ignore it.

Say, did you hear Sarah Palin's trashy daughter had a baby? Did you hear that? Did ya?

I know Joe Biden's daughter clearly hasn't as she's been too busy doing several lines of coke. And I don't mean the sugared beverage.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 3:14PM
Darleen Click says:

subtlety of the naked woman in the background of the ad

Julia, what naked woman?

I captured a screenshot of that nekkid female and if you are as breathlessly offended by it as Taylor Marsh may I suggest you stay in the house with the blinds down and never go outside again.

Good lord, gender-feminism has wimpified American women into whiney caricatures.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 3:15PM
happyfeet says:

Those deviled eggs sound tasty.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 3:21PM
Darleen Click says:

btw, julia?

Howard Dean never had any problem saying Republicans want to starve children and kill off the elderly.

Obama, Pelosi and other Dem politicians have said, point blank, Republicans aren't patriotic (and you will not find a similiar quote from Rep politicians about Dems).

The Left - a perfect study in projection.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 3:26PM
JD says:

OMFG. You liberal pansies are racist, bigoted, homophobic, xenophobic, jingoistic, imperialistic bigots.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 3:42PM
Righteous Bubba says:

Andrea Mitchell and company

What do you expect after she married a communist?

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 3:44PM
Muledriver says:

Know what the best thing about the Village Voice is?

It's still totally relevant and, from what I understand, still very widely read.

Also, did I mention that it's relevant?

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 5:20PM
Salt Lick says:

The Village Voice is still in business? Wow, I thought you were done a decade ago.

Sad thing is, many years ago Jeff Goldstein might have fit in at VV. When the writing was good, and the thinking less straight-jacketed.

I mean, at least Nat Hentoff didn't have to recycle the same tired sh*t just to produce a column.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 5:43PM
Ten says:

I'm sure it is, Muledriver. Positive.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 6:13PM
Ten says:

Actually the royal we was what did it.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 6:15PM
Jim says:

"It's a matter, simply, of who owns the gory ox in this particular instance, trapped up transvestively in self-righteous hoo-ha."

That is a fine sentence. I will offer you $4 to write three more like it, all containing words similar to "transvestively."

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 6:29PM
Passerby says:

I'd just like to say "THANK YOU, Village Voice" for having the bravery to dip your toe into the well-spring of Neo-Conservative Hate and stuff that is parts [sic] of the blogoshere.

Brah----voh.

I look forward to your next endeavor:

"Wal-Mart - From Greeters to Checkout, what's the catch, and, why is my shopping cart so full?"

.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 8:49PM
Righteous Bubba says:

Sad thing is, many years ago Jeff Goldstein might have fit in at VV.

As what? Did they need paperboys ever?

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 9:26PM
roy edroso says:

Great! Now I know where I can find an avenue for post-modern Leftist holier-than-thou sanctimoniousness. And then promptly ignore it.

Say, did...

Oh, you came so close! Maybe the Learning Annex has a class in ignoring you could take.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 9:27PM
Walter says:

"Sad thing is, many years ago Jeff Goldstein might have fit in at VV. When the writing was good, and the thinking less straight-jacketed."

Ain't that the truth. The tell here is when they find actual writing they don't even know what to think of it.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 10:52PM
Pug says:

Say, did you hear Sarah Palin's trashy daughter had a baby? Did you hear that? Did ya?

Seems I did hear something about that. Guess Mama's abstinence only lessons didn't sink in too well. Heard the shotgun wedding is off, too.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 10:52PM
TK says:

"There's no reason in worrying about how a leftist, might willingly misinterpret ... Particularly .... Andrew Sullivan, [sic] ..."

Wingnut "thinking" in its simplest form.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 10:54PM
GOP08_DOA says:

The funny thing about Dijongate...

Wingers have a bizarre sense of humor nobody gets except them.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 11:05PM
Norman Rogers says:

Oh, bah.

You paint all of us on the right with one brush and then allow for nothing in the way of nuance.

I have repeatedly praised Obama's handling of the economy; I have criticized in depth the in-fighting that is paralyzing the Republican Party; I believe that the Republican Party can take two key issues--legalization of pot and gay marriage--and by adopting a moderate stance on both can draw new voters; and I have been a critic of the approach of people like Red State towards commenting on what is going on in the conservative world.

Red State is nothing more than the nitpicky vision of a flawed individual. It is not the voice of the conservative movement. You're confusing "hits" with "influence." The two are not the same. Were I to have anywhere near as many "hits" as Red State, I would not be influential at all. It's really based on whether or not you can talk about the issues honestly and do so without sinking into the gutter.

Now, I like the gutter just fine. But the advertisement about Nancy Pelosi being Pussy Galore? I criticized that, as well.

Oh, and I have nothing but praise for Rep. Jason Chaffetz. I guess the fact that I'm a nobody helps demonize us all, however.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 11:06PM
SteveB says:

Old Russian saying, You can tell same lie 1000 time(Ms. Pelosi) but not change truth.

I'm so glad to see Yaakov Smirnov has found work, even if it's not in Branson.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 11:13PM
Molyuk says:

The best part of Mr. Edroso's snidefest is that he thinks his inability to understand Mr. Goldstein's point proves that Mr. Goldstein is incoherent.

Ahahahahahahaha!

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 11:23PM
Swen Swenson says:

JD says:
"OMFG. You liberal pansies are racist, bigoted, homophobic, xenophobic, jingoistic, imperialistic bigots."

You forgot "Jezebels". You always forget Jezebels.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 11:23PM
Jay B. says:

The best part of Mr. Edroso's snidefest is that he thinks his inability to understand Mr. Goldstein's point proves that Mr. Goldstein is incoherent.

Maybe. Or maybe he's just a shitty writer who attracts semi-smart wannabes who think a lot of fancy language strung together represents some kind of "thought".

Really. Pseudo academic fanboys (and girl) should really point to an idea that's contained within the turgid mess that Jeff cranks out like any lazy masters' student and try and post it in English. Otherwise, you guys enjoy the idea that more and larger words can say something better than fewer and better.

Dullards.

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 11:42PM
cobbler says:

I really like the comparison of the bloggies to a pre-adolescent (maybe adolescent, though) debate team in libertarian paradise. It makes sense, fits the facts and made me laugh. The trifecta!

Also, your shirt tucking crack is a great running gag, and your own short tucking (via comments) is adorable and honorable.

High fives all around!

(And now we have cholera!)

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 11:43PM
Mnemosyne says:

The funny thing about Dijongate (since it's been mentioned) was the lenghth to which Andrea Mitchell and company went to suppress the information that Just Arugula guy wanted special mustard on his burger.

You know why it never broke into a big story in the MSM? Because no one gives a shit what condiments Obama puts on his cheeseburger. If dijon mustard is so exotic and special, why did my parents keep it in our suburban Illinois refrigerator in the 1980s?

Though I have to say, Condimentgate is turning into an even better sign of utter right-wing looniness than Birthcertificategate or whatever you guys are calling it these days. "OMG! Obama asked for spicy mustardon his cheeseburger! Then he said dijon mustard! My God, don't you know what this means!!!1!!1!1!111!!!!"

Posted On: Monday, May. 25 2009 @ 11:55PM
synykyl says:

... Great! Now I know where I can find an avenue for post-modern Leftist holier-than-thou sanctimoniousness. And then promptly ignore it. ...

Right. Ignore it ... by posting your witless rant in response. Brilliant.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 12:21AM
R. Porrofatto says:

It's kind of fascinating how easy it is to identify Jeffrey's Cockslapper Strike Force toadies just from the sneer, slapped up emulatively. Epigonic conspiracy mongering over media concealment of the ObamaMessiahFascist's condiment preferences is also a giveaway. But the real question is: did the RNC intend to make a point effectively, or was the point to juxtapose Pelosi and pussy, hermeneuticals be damned?

You paint all of us on the right with one brush and then allow for nothing in the way of nuance.

This has to be a sockpuppet. The real Norman Rogers doesn't do nuance.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 12:41AM
GM says:

R. Porrofatto, I thought they were Instapundit strike forcers; Goldstein doesn't really have the traffic. (Incidentally, anyone know how he's doing, moneywise, since Pajamas Media sold him up the river? Dang, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.)
I just had to respond to one of the low-hanging fruit here:
Darleen Click said:

Howard Dean...Obama, Pelosi and other Dem politicians have said, point blank, Republicans aren't patriotic (and you will not find a similiar quote from Rep politicians about Dems).

Speaking of Howard Dean, one of the sons of your favorite President called for his death. Said he should be tried for treason and hung.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200512090014

I'm sorry, you were saying about conservatives not saying things like that?

(By the way, do you have a link for a quote where Obama says Republicans aren't patriotic? Seems to me, based on his praise for John McCain, that he's gone out of his way to be civil to his opponents while they've gone around calling him that one.)

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 2:16AM
Mrs Tilton says:

Further to Jay B.'s remarks: anybody who can read a single paragraph of Godlstein without instantly understanding why he was found unfit for the academic job he'd imagined was his due should seriously reconsider any plans they might themselves have for grad school. There are other ways to spend the money, ways that will not waste it and, indeed, might even give them something positive to show for it. For the same expenditure, for example, I bet they could get really, really good at World of Warcraft.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 4:15AM
Nancy Irving says:

The GOP has really lost its touch. They should have cast Pelosi as Lotte Lenya doing Rosa Klebb. Now THAT would have been scary. Plus it would have let them trot out one of their favorite memes, viz that all Dem. women are teh lesbians.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 5:33AM
Kia says:

Great! Now I know where I can find an avenue for post-modern Leftist holier-than-thou sanctimoniousness. And then promptly ignore it.

Has the Internet bred its own peculiar flavor of folie de grandeur, or has it simply revealed to us just how much is out there?

"Feel the sting of my ignoring!" Good Lord. I mean, these people, if they ever all found themselves in a room together, would loathe each other.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 5:38AM
Freshly Squeezed Cynic says:

I guess the fact that I'm a nobody helps demonize us all, however.

Well, Norman. That's rather the point. Even though you appear to be coming from a position of reasonableness, willing to analyse your party and find aspects to be critical about, you, and your message, has absolutely no cachet at this point; what gets the hits, and what gets the attention of the Republican base, and, more importantly, is the current political position of the Republican Party, is the self-congratulatory masturbating of sites like Redstate, the incoherent cod-academica or folk like Dr. Sanity and Jeff Goldstein, or the hysterical screeching of Michelle Malkin, rather than reasoned thought.

You may have something, Norman, but I doubt it is influence.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 6:18AM
julia says:

Wow. You kids have been busy.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 6:30AM
Jackson says:

The best part of Mr. Edroso's snidefest is that he thinks his inability to understand Mr. Goldstein's point proves that Mr. Goldstein is incoherent.

No, Goldstein's general incoherence proves that.

The only thing he's ever written that made any sense has been his repeated habit of threatening to slap his political opponents in the face with his cock ... and all that did was show he has some interesting sexual issues.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 6:36AM
M. Bouffant says:

gender-feminism

Huh? I don't get that. Is there a form of feminism that's not ... Oh, why even bother?

I do like that Prof. Mustard of Cornell thinks that's a "camera-aperture" as the opening image of the advert. It's the rifling in a gun barrel, Clinical Professor. The interior of a gun barrel aimed at the second person in the line of succession to the Presidency. Then the person aiming the gun gets shot, his blood covers everything, Nancy lives, & the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot, head or you-name-it. Very fitting, really.

Do all the ninnies read "Heh. Indeedy-doody." boy & jump when he says to?

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 7:30AM
TR says:

You paint all of us on the right with one brush and then allow for nothing in the way of nuance.

You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists.

How's that for nuance?

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 7:34AM
Marc says:

The funny thing about Dijongate (since it's been mentioned) was the lenghth to which Andrea Mitchell and company went to suppress the information that Just Arugula guy wanted special mustard on his burger. But beyond that, it was Cinco de Cinco, which is the day after Cinco de Cuatro, which celebrates a Mexican victory over *drumroll* the French. And how does he celebrate? With French mustard. If the Mexicans hadn't won that battle, we'd all be eating tacqueax a la dijonnaise. Think, people.

I just wanted to post that again in case someone missed it.

It's either the most brilliant spoof of full-blown conservative retardery, or it's proof that the quotes in this column are only the tip of the wingnut iceberg.

Either way, bravo.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 7:49AM
Michael says:

The joke of this of course is that all of these attributes are equally prevalent in the Lefty blogosphere, save of course the recent electoral successes of those they promote, which makes them feel more relevant.

Also, I am as into nudity as any other Right Wing hypocrite, but has anyone noticed that the NSFW exposes in The Voice are often filled with people who don't look good naked and would do us all a favor if they would just put their fucking clothes back on?

Just wondering.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 8:19AM
roy edroso says:

The joke of this of course is that all of these attributes are equally prevalent in the Lefty blogosphere...

That sounds like a great idea for a column! Someone really ought to pick it up. Of course, just bitching about the absence of such a thing would be much easier.

If you don't like looking at real people naked, there are plenty of mainstream pornographic venues out there. But thanks for checking out the Village Voice. Don't forget to bookmark us!

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 8:49AM
melior says:

In your defense, I'm afraid I can't tell ErickErickson from MoeLane either. Was he the Playdoh and Bacon guy? Or was that Godlstein...

Wait, has anyone actually ever seen them together in the same room?

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 9:10AM
JWF says:

Geez, I know Roy Edroso doesn't have any talent, but does the VV even employ editors and fact-checkers?

Same recycled shit as the last time I visited here.

And please, get a new graphic artist, assuming you losers can even afford one.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 9:18AM
Mrs Tilton says:

JWF @9:18, in his own words:

"Same recycled shit as the last time I visited here"

JWF, through the medium of The Incredibles:

JWF: You know I'm retired from hero work.

VV: As am I, Robert; yet here we are.

JWF, channelled by a Borscht Belt comic:

"The food is awful here. And such small portions!"

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 9:45AM
The Wet Nurse says:

Roy's snarky condescension drives me crazy. I never thought very highly of most of my English teachers in high school because, like schoolmarmish Roy, they mostly seem liked they live twisted little lives, busily hiding from reality in a school. Maybe a prep school, like Roy, sheltered there from even the disgusting public school riff-raff.

Someday soon, maybe, Roy can rise above himself (abandon his narcissism in other words), and go out into the big wide world. Maybe date a few adults, for a change. Get a job in a public school. See the world a little. Given his outstanding ability to write I can't wait to see how a more interesting existence would change his essays.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 9:48AM
The Kenosha Kid says:

This thread has the potential to be the greatest thread since the flamewars at TBogg's old place.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 9:49AM
julia says:

This thread has the potential to be the greatest thread since the flamewars at TBogg's old place.

Well, Dan Collins did show up early.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 10:08AM
Mrs Tilton says:

The Wet Nurse @9:48,

I never thought very highly of most of my English teachers in high school

Didn't learn much from them either, to judge by your writing.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 10:14AM
laym says:

Personally, I'll start taking said Left-outrage more seriously when they start reacting to attempted media rapes of conservative female public figures in any way besides helping to pin the victim's shoulders to the table.

It takes a special kind of mind to reach for rape as a political metaphor.

It takes a special kind of mind to see a metaphorical rape of Sarah Palin, where most non-special minds saw an unprepared buffoon propped up on the country's biggest political stage.

It takes a special kind of mind to suggest this his political opposites were complicit in the metaphorical rape ... oh, hell. What I'm really getting at is that this Lane fella is fucking vile.

I won't click the link, but does Lane allow that criticisms of Biden were also metaphorical rape, and that he and his cohorts were the ones "pinning his shoulders"? You know, for the sake of intellectual fairness. I'm wondering if he makes that concession.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 12:33PM
Flyfish says:

Change the blog names to Huffpo, KOS, or any other left wing blog and the message is every bit as warped, tasteless and tactless. Enjoy your days in the sun while they last.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 12:33PM
Paul_D says:

"I suggest you stay in the house with the blinds down and never go outside again."

Now that's projection.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 12:42PM
Mike Nilsen says:

Am I missing something? Pussy Galore was not a Bond villain. She was a 'Bond Girl', cannon-fodder for Bond's ravenous libido. She was a sympathetic (and somewhat pathetic) character.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 12:43PM
synykyl says:

... Enjoy your days in the sun while they last. ...

Heh. Thanks to the RNC's awesome leadership, they are likely to last for quite a while.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 12:46PM
Homer says:

My cousin is an obese moonfaced white boy with big feet and short hair. He's never going to reinvent the wheel either. He realizes that there is only one place for him to belong and that is the Republican Party. He's got a problem. He says he's surrounded by blacks, hispanics, pansies and traiterous liberals and has to drive 40 some miles to meet real Americans. He wants to move but does not want to move to the South since it's too hot and he sweats all the time. Besides there are too many gnats and it's hard for him to scratch his ass. I said I could not help him, but told him he should join a fundamentalist church where he would surely find people in complete agreement with him and maybe they could tell him where to find a place in the State where there are a bunch of real Americans and where he could also find emloyment in his restaurant kitchen maintenance field. So it is not true that people never do anything nice for Republicans. I just did.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 12:48PM
Oddy says:

Obama, Pelosi and other Dem politicians have said, point blank, Republicans aren't patriotic (and you will not find a similiar quote from Rep politicians about Dems).

Got some links there, Sparky, or can we just file that one under "don't let reality get in the way of a perfectly good persecution complex".

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 1:00PM
julia says:

can we just file that one under "don't let reality get in the way of a perfectly good persecution complex".

Apparently you can file it under "Protein Wisdom front-pager."

Don't know if that helps.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 1:05PM
ignatov says:

"...any other left wing blog and the message is every bit as warped, tasteless and tactless."

It's the old "everyone else is doing it" defense.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 1:05PM
Oddy says:

Apparently you can file it under "Protein Wisdom front-pager."

Don't know if that helps.

Julia: Thank you. I am familiar with some of her work. Now if we can just get Pablo out here, it'll be a party.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 1:18PM
atheist says:
I never thought very highly of most of my English teachers in high school because, like schoolmarmish Roy, they mostly seem liked they live twisted little lives, busily hiding from reality in a school.

"Schoolmarmish" Roy? If only you knew how wrong you really are, you dumb chump.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 1:35PM
Moi says:

1) Bushco didn't torture.
2) Well, they did, but they got valuable info.
3) OK, the info wasn't good, but it was all Pelosi's fault anyway.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 1:42PM
anonymous says:

Nancy Pelosi as Pussy Galore? Really? I think the folks at the RNC need to make more of an effort to keep their sexual and political fantasies separate.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 2:05PM
The Wet Nurse says:

Visiting a Roy Edroso thread is always a wonderful way to get a laugh. Thanks to all you Roypeople for hosting those of us who only show up when memeorandum directs us here, presumably for some mid-week giggles. On with the show!

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 3:01PM
Mrs Tilton says:

TWN @3:01,

I don't speak for Roy, of course, or (for that matter) anybody but myself. But fair play to you, and I mean that without snark altogether. It's good that people of differing views reach around the aisle, as it were.

Most of you dead-enders really are nothing more than comedy-fodder, of course. But I try to be open-minded, and am quite confident that cognitive dysfunction is not in every instance a sufficient explanation for conservatism. Given their past form, I'd be highly surprised if a winger were able to be persuasive to any but his fellow-cultists, mind; but though I remain unpersuaded I always enjoy rhetorical cleverness, even where the underlying substance is the intellectual, political and moral equivalent of a carbuncle just this side of bursting.

So come play any time you like!

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 4:03PM
Righteous Bubba says:

Visiting a Roy Edroso thread is always a wonderful way to get a laugh.

You certainly provided one in your diagnosis of Roy's sheltered life above.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 4:25PM
Anonymous says:

Dan Collins: "...Cinco de Cuatro, which celebrates a Mexican victory over *drumroll* the French. And how does he celebrate? With French mustard. If the Mexicans hadn't won that battle, we'd all be eating tacqueax a la dijonnaise. Think, people..."

Bertie Wooster: "Oh, really?" I said. And I meant it to sting!

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 4:42PM
KathyW says:

Dan Collins: "...Cinco de Cuatro, which celebrates a Mexican victory over *drumroll* the French. And how does he celebrate? With French mustard. If the Mexicans hadn't won that battle, we'd all be eating tacqueax a la dijonnaise. Think, people..."

Bertie Wooster: "Oh, really?" I said. And I meant it to sting!

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 4:43PM
KathyW says:

Dan Collins: "blah baa baa...Cinco de Cuatro, which celebrates a Mexican victory over *drumroll* the French. And how does he celebrate? With French mustard. If the Mexicans hadn't won that battle, we'd all be eating tacqueax a la dijonnaise. Think, people..."

Bertie Wooster: "Oh, really?" I said. And I meant it to sting!

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 4:44PM
Susan of Texas says:

My high school English teacher put on a nice dress wig and went bowling on the weekends. I hear he looked fabulous.

It sure beats spending your time scrunching up your face and imagining how miserable everyone else must be, because Lord knows you are.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 4:59PM
julia says:

My high school english teacher won a Pulitzer. He seems pleased.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 5:11PM
Anonymous says:

Thanks Mrs. T! I'll stop by every now and then to expel some carbuncle-pus in the direction of all you roypeople. By the way Susan, I see you're still in Texas. Why? I remind you: when in the city let me know. We'll go out, maybe even catch an Edroso muzack show if he can get away from teaching the little preppy buggers their English-by-numbers.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 5:12PM
The Wet Nurse says:

What a hoot! All the little cuckoos are flying around the intellectual VV cage today, even Julia. My day is complete. Hey Julia- figured out how tax increases hurt economies yet? Just remember, business owners "Going Galt" is a bad thing for all the rest of us.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 5:15PM
Mrs Tilton says:

Hi again, TWN!

business owners "Going Galt" is a bad thing for all the rest of us

As it happens, I know a little bit about business owners. As a rule, they don't "go Galt", an option that is really more for employees -- lifetime-tenured state employees like Glenn Reynolds -- and even then, only in their fantasies.

But there is nothing that prevents people from any walk of life being stupid. It's extraordinarily unlikely that any pre-retiree with the intelligence, drive and luck to have accomplished anything economically meaningful would "go Galt". But as their doing so would represent a rolling onto their back and exposing their edible underbelly to me and my clients, I would heartily welcome (the very unlikely event of) their doing so.

But keep on imagining that your imaginary heroes will do what you imagine will make you happy!

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 5:41PM
Righteous Bubba says:

Just remember, business owners "Going Galt" is a bad thing for all the rest of us.

Does one of these people exist?

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 6:37PM
Susan of Texas says:

I think the only person who has Gone Galt is George Bush. Last I heard he was clearing brush in his suburban Dallas home, until his neighbors complained that he was cutting down their hedges.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 7:22PM
anonymous says:

... All the little cuckoos are flying around the intellectual VV cage today ...

Heh. Given the quality of your own intellect, you should avoid making birdcage metaphors.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 7:25PM
Larry Mondelo says:

Don't be too hard on Dan and Darleen. They're suffering from Stockholm Syndrome as a result of repeated cock-slappings from J. Godlstein. And a nasty rash too.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 9:32PM
weaver says:

Jeez, it's a good thing Democrats and Republicans don't have significant policy differences to argue about - otherwise things might get heated.

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 26 2009 @ 11:35PM
Johnny Coelacanth says:

This is what happens when you poke Protein Dipshit. All of Jeff's sycophants ("He's so smart! His writing sure is keen!") rush in like a squad of yapping Schnauzers bursting through a dog door.

Posted On: Wednesday, May. 27 2009 @ 1:56AM
atheist says:
Also, I am as into nudity as any other Right Wing hypocrite, but has anyone noticed that the NSFW exposes in The Voice are often filled with people who don't look good naked and would do us all a favor if they would just put their fucking clothes back on?

I dunno, I thought the "Choice Cunts" were pretty awesome.

Posted On: Wednesday, May. 27 2009 @ 5:48AM
Freshly Squeezed Cynic says:

Hey Julia- figured out how tax increases hurt economies yet?

Depends upon the tax increase, depends what it's used for.

More nuance, please!

Posted On: Wednesday, May. 27 2009 @ 7:02AM
julia says:

I'm afraid I have to go with Mrs. T on the Galt thing. When the leading supporters stop taking checks from the government like good little libertarians I'll concede that they at least think it's a serious matter. Until then I'm afraid I'll have to stick with my current analysis (which, not that you asked, is that the Galt movement is what vulgar strivers imagine is a face-saving excuse not to tip now that the wingnut welfare is drying up).

Posted On: Wednesday, May. 27 2009 @ 7:13AM
Jennifer says:

Shorter every wingnut defender comment above:

"Since someone you agree with on some issues behaved badly in this one instance, I'm perfectly justified in acting like a supreme ass towards you and anyone who agrees with you about anything in all instances."

I think, more than anything else, this points to poor parenting as a root cause of conservatism. Obviously these folks were never taught that bad behavoir on the part of others is no excuse for behaving badly themselves. Either that, or they hold those who raised them in such low esteem that they don't care how their actions reflect upon them.

Posted On: Wednesday, May. 27 2009 @ 11:25AM
Anonymous says:

"Mike Nilsen says: Am I missing something? Pussy Galore was not a Bond villain. She was a 'Bond Girl', cannon-fodder for Bond's ravenous libido. She was a sympathetic (and somewhat pathetic) character."

Apparently you ARE missing something, doofus.

She STARTS out as a villain working for Goldfinger, but then is seduced by Bond and he turns her.

(Of course, in the book she's the lesbian leader of an all-lesbian cat burglar outfit, which makes Bond's seduction all the more typical Cold War male fantasy.)

Posted On: Wednesday, May. 27 2009 @ 12:04PM
Harry Cheddar says:

A female friend worked as an adjunct prof at the city college a few years back. Sometimes she'd bring around a student paper for us to laugh at if contained a particularly impressive load of needlessly complex language or empty academic jargon. I think of her whenever I read one of Jeff G's "Inellektual" posts.

Posted On: Wednesday, May. 27 2009 @ 1:43PM
zuzu says:

Just remember, business owners "Going Galt" is a bad thing for all the rest of us.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Posted On: Wednesday, May. 27 2009 @ 8:19PM
Xecky Gilchrist says:

Just remember, business owners "Going Galt" is a bad thing for all the rest of us.

Not especially - the modern definition of "Going Galt" is sitting around bitching about taxes.

Posted On: Wednesday, May. 27 2009 @ 10:23PM
commie atheist says:

Will Dan Collins ever get Jeff Goldstein's cock out of his mouth? Stay tuned...

Posted On: Thursday, May. 28 2009 @ 2:02AM
mark says:

Wow. I can't tell if the comments from the right side of the aisle are for real or satire. If it's real, I don't know how the Onion stays in business.

Posted On: Thursday, May. 28 2009 @ 6:00PM
Anonymous says:

holier-than-thou sanctimoniousness

The worst kind.

"Schoolmarmish" Roy? If only you knew how wrong you really are, you dumb chump.

It'll do as an insult until they catch him swearing, at which point schoolmarmishness will suddenly become a principled stance against incivility. Heads I win, tails you lose!

Posted On: Thursday, May. 28 2009 @ 8:18PM
davidbaer says:

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