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KRS-One and Marley Marl Working Together: Who Cares?

Posted by Tom Breihan at 6:56 PM, March 31, 2006

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No question, this guy still exists

Rap beef is never going to go away, especially since 50 Cent showed everyone that a correctly managed and sensationalized insta-feud can push first-week sales into stratospheric numbers. It gets fans interested, it gets media attention, and it adds to the weird constant soap-opera flux that keeps rap's extra-musical stuff interesting in a pro-wrestling/Marvel Universe kind of way. It's also produced plenty of great music. But these days, it's omnipresent to the point where you can't hold a massively ridiculous all-star video shoot without someone getting killed, and that's disgusting. Maybe that's why beef-deading has become cool in rap lately: Jay-Z inviting Nas onstage and then signing him, Chamillionaire and Mike Jones and Lil Flip and Slim Thug all appearing together on the same Source cover in what I'm told was an actual photo shoot and not a Photoshop collage. This new trend toward calm, peaceful resolution can only be considered a great thing for rap in general; besides the inevitable violence that comes along with everyone hating everyone, the constant animosity can get exhausting, stressful and boring and predictable, just another excuse for deluded grandstanding. But the beef-killing trend also makes for a pretty easy way for irrelevant rappers to make desperate publicity-grabs, and I sincerely hope that's not what's going on in the case of KRS-One and Marley Marl.

Back when KRS and Marley got all tangled up in what plenty of people still insist is the greatest rap battle of all time, there wasn't enough money in rap for beef to be a money-driven fakeout pose. Even though the feud helped build both of their names, it really seemed to be about righteous anger and wounded pride and, um, historical accuracy rather than sales. When "The Bridge" and "South Bronx" and "Kill That Noise" and "The Bridge is Over" came out, I was more concerned with collecting all five Dinobots than anything else, but from what I understand, the feud seemed to capture the imagination of New York City at a time when rap was still pretty much a New York City thing. It certainly provided one of the defining moments in both of these guys' careers. With all that said, it's not like their beef means a single thing to rap in 2006. When Jay and Nas stood onstage together, neither had made a record about the other one in nearly four years, they'd been hinting at a reconciliation for months, and even then it felt a bit like less of a story than it would've been if Jay had dissed 50 Cent or Cam'ron. With KRS and Marley, these guys haven't made records about each other in about twenty years, and neither one has been relevant in ten (and that's being nice). Even if they've been harboring lost-standing simmering hatred against each other since then, the rest of the world moved on long ago. Marley has been basically inactive since releasing one of those BBE albums in 2001, virtually a recluse from what I understand. I haven't heard KRS's recent albums, but he's pretty much a joke these days, doing gospel-rap and beefing with Nelly and telling Nas to talk to NASA about hip-hop on Mars or whatever and generally going batshit-ass crazy. Yesterday, the two announced that they'd be making an album together for Koch, and it's not entirely certain whether anyone should care.

I'm skeptical, but this story warrants attention because these two could still manage to put out a great album together. I don't have the book in front of me right now, but I'm pretty sure the ego trip people ranked Marley the #1 producer of all time and KRS either the #1 or #2 rapper in their Book of Rap Lists. (From where I'm sitting, Dre and Biggie would be the no-brainer choices, but those guys know a lot more about rap than I do.) Marley's old Juice Crew productions have more warmth and fluidity than virtually anything coming out these days, which is remarkable when you consider the advances in technology and budget that the genre has seen since then. It's tough to say whether he's capable of doing anything great in 2006, unless he's been doing freelance work that I didn't know about for Fat Beats backpackers or something for the past few years, but the tracklisting on this 2005 mix CD looks promising. KRS's recent material could be absolute garbage (or it could be great for all I know; John Darnielle seems to like it, for whatever that's worth). But at his peak he had more force and passion and eloquence than anyone else working. If a project like this manages to help him regain some focus, he might still have some fire in him. This is rap, so there's no guarantee that the collaborative album will even ever come out, but this story is worth following.

Voice review: Joseph Patel on KRS-One's The Sneak Attack

comments

Good article. One thing that I don't get though: Biggie? A no brainer for #1 rapper? Honestly, he wouldn't make my top 10. His music just hasn't stood the test of time for me. Certainly in his short career Biggie's best hasn't topped that of KRS. I'm sticking with Rakim though. His oldest jams still send a chill up my spine.

Posted by: mhatkinson at April 3, 2006 10:45 PM

For the record, Marley Marl dropped a well known remix for Nas's "Bridging The Gap" in 2004, and he's been on the grind lately producing for a slew of emcees in the NY area. And it is certainly clear that you have no idea what KRS is doing right now. Please, continue to have your head firmly up your rectum, and forgive me for disturbing your naptime.

Posted by: symantiks at April 10, 2006 4:25 AM

One thing i need to mention, Krs one, is one of the most active Hip Hoppers of the time. I know that you probaby don't know much, if anything at all about Hip Hop but you must remember, your a writer, and nothing is more annoying than a writer writing about something that he is utterly ignorant of. Firstly, by saying that Dre is on your top 2, Dre is primarily a producer not a rapper, he raps but he is a Hip Hop genius for his productions not his lyrics.Also, after comments like, "and neither one has been relevant in ten (and that's being nice). " Statemtents like these show how little you know about your topic...all i could advise you to do is the number one rule of editorial writing, RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH. Please do us all a favor, write about things you KNOW about, thanks.

Posted by: illegal at April 10, 2006 4:17 PM

illegal, that's what the writer was suggesting - that Dre is #1 all time producer, not an MC.

More on KRS - probably my least favorite BDP album is Sex and Violence. However, it has a couple of my favorite BDP songs on it in the title track and Say Gal.

Posted by: mhatkinson at April 11, 2006 10:45 AM

Please go back to collecting Dinobots, and spare the rest of us.

Posted by: RedAlert at April 12, 2006 2:16 PM

You have got to be kidding me! It's obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to the number 1 or 2 emcee of all time accompanied with Rakim. With KRS and Marley doin an album together, prepare for your 50 cent ball lickin ass to be amazed that you wrote such stupid ass comments, but then again you are a writer! KRS-ONE last album, Keep Right, is a blast from the past. The Kristyle was hot, both versions of the release. The Gospel album he did was a breath of fresh air. Although i was playin with Transformers and legos and watchin go-bots, i was still hitting the record button and goin to sleep while recording the hip hop stations on friday nights in brooklyn. And here i am, waiting for an album like that at 29 years old.....and i emcee might i ad thanks to influences from krs, rakim, melle mel etc....yo, seriously pay attention and do MUCH RESEARCH LIKE EVERYONE SUGGESTS!!

Posted by: OPTIMUSTRHYME at April 16, 2006 9:11 PM

You have got to be kidding me! It's obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to the number 1 or 2 emcee of all time accompanied with Rakim. With KRS and Marley doin an album together, prepare to apologize to all of us for having to read those stupid ass comments, but then again you are a writer! KRS-ONE last album, Keep Right, is a blast from the past. The Kristyle was hot, both versions of the release. The Gospel album he did was a breath of fresh air. Even the internet mixtapes were dope....and for your info, Nelly shoulda neva opened his mouth! Although i was playin with Transformers, legos, watchin go-bots and laughing at snarf i was still hitting the record button and goin to sleep while recording the hip hop stations on friday nights in brooklyn. And here i am, waiting for an album like that at 29 years old.....and i emcee might i ad thanks to influences from krs, rakim, melle mel etc....yo, seriously pay attention and do MUCH RESEARCH LIKE EVERYONE SUGGESTS!!

Posted by: OPTIMUSTRHYME at April 16, 2006 9:15 PM

If you have a true appreciation for hip hop, where it came from and where it's at, no matter how old or young you may be, one should know that this unification of KRS one and Marley Marl is of epic proportions. Could this be the savior of the corroding state of hip hop? may-be not. But it's s step in the right direction. As far as all this beef goes. One must recognize the history between the Blast master and Marley. They come from an era where if there was beef..you better come with it! They come from an era of greatness where your skill and your rep was ultimately tested. KRS has ended careers people!!! Ya'll dig? Unlike today where beef can be orchestrated by major record labels, no one has the skills or the guts to even battle any more or it's over someting completely stupid! I suggest if you are a true hip hop head do your homework, respect your archetects(such as these two)and if you really not knowing ,hell ask somebody! Let's all face it ya'll Biggie made only one good album . How that solidifies him as great is beyond me. And Dr.Dre's dopest material was with NWA. The Chronic was good but I could just listen to a Pariament album all day. KnowhadImean? I think "Hip Hop Lives" will be a solid album from two of hip hops legends.

Posted by: rblwthoutpauz at May 22, 2007 5:02 PM

Why do ignorant white kids get to voice their irrelevant opions about hip hop? Hip Hop is dead and white kids like this loser killed it. No serious lover of the music would ever quote some coffee table decoration about who's a dope producer or MC. This is the kind of lame the made 50 Cent famous! To know this music is to love it. This dude doesn't know it at all... I bet he's waiting for the NKOTB reunion. PUSSY!

Posted by: dullah_ranks at June 5, 2007 8:21 PM

you have no clue what you are talking about.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 3, 2009 11:47 PM

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