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8 Diagrams: RZA's Drug-Rap Masterwork

By Tom Breihan, Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 4:25PM
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And I might not even be overreacting

8 Diagrams is about the millionth Wu-Tang album to start with a dialog sample from a kung-fu movie, but this one is different from those that came before. RZA has complicated reasons for just about all of his production decisions, but I have this idea that he usually just picked out the kung-fu samples that sounded the most badass. The sample at the beginning of 8 Diagrams doesn't sound badass. No swords clash, and no threats are made. Instead, a teacher tells a nasal-voiced student how to be a good man, telling him to keep control of himself and to stay patient. Those of us outside Wu-Tang's inner circle can only make fogged-up guesses about the group's internal dynamics, but by all accounts RZA's always been the crew's undisputed leader, and his leadership must've faced its challenges over time. In the documentary Rock the Bells, when the concert promoter was having a stroke worrying about how he'd get ODB to the venue, RZA was the guy he went to to smooth the situation out. And the crew's unlikely period of commercial dominance only started to flag when members of the group started making albums that weren't completely under RZA's control. To tell such a talented and chaotic group of rappers what to do, RZA must have unreal leadership skills, and I get the feeling that he's been repeating that refrain about control and patience more and more often lately. The fact that 8 Diagrams even exists is some kind of miracle, and it's even more amazing when you consider that not one song on the entire album has the faintest chance of becoming a crossover hit. 8 Diagrams is a deeply weird album, a total immersion in weed-fried mythology and willfully obscure tangled-up black psychedelia. It's clearly the album that RZA wanted to make, and recent developments show that he may have burned up all his goodwill with the rest of the group in the process.

Raekwon and Ghostface have already voiced frustration with the group's recent direction, but I always thought that frustration boiled down to money issues and nothing else. This interview surprised me; according to Raekwon, his problems with RZA are more aesthetic than financial. At his best, Raekwon is one of the wooziest, hardest to follow rappers working, but even he apparently doesn't want any part of an album this obtuse. "RZA's trying to create to much of a orchestra," he says. "He's trying to do too much of this guitar shit, like he's got a guitar on his fucking back ... It's more or less like, yo, I don't want to be here doing this because this is not the vibe I want. It's his vibe. He's like a hip-hop hippie right now." RZA is definitely somewhere near crazy, and his solo showcase "Sunlight" may be the strangest thing on the whole album: RZA ranting brain-melting crackpot-philosophy silliness over humming soul-samples and harpsichord drones. I've never much liked RZA as a rapper because he always sounded totally content to ignore his own beats, but "Sunrise" hardly has any drums, and so his vocal comes off like urgent, drunk spoken-word poetry. "I been highly misunderstood by those that met us / They had ears of corn and heads of lettuce," he says, and the funny part is that he doesn't even treat it like a punchline; he bleats it out with raw sincerity like it's the most important thing he ever said, which is how he says everything. 8 Diagrams is full of dizzy musical left-turns: underwater Lee Hazlewood guitars, riotous out-of-tune horn-stabs, thrilling ominous spaghetti-western whistle-loops. RZA's bragged that "The Heart Gently Weeps" is the first rap song with a legally-cleared Beatles sample, but even with a guest guitar-noodles from a Chili Pepper and George Harrison's son, the track still sounds like burbling mud. Only about half the tracks even bother with hooks, and virtually none of them have any recognizable structure at all. After a few listens, I've only just begun to absorb the actual lyrics; the pure auditory experience of hearing these guys going hard on such bugged-out tracks has been more than enough to keep my brain spinning.

So RZA's putting together the first Wu-Tang group album in six years, and he's decided to make it a dense, inaccessible hunk of drugged-out space-rap; no wonder his troops are restless. Raekwon's put forward the idea of putting out another Wu-Tang group album without RZA, something I can barely imagine ever happening. Any discontent that Rae and Ghost might've felt about the album doesn't manifest itself in the actual music, though. Both of those guys rap hard throughout, as does everyone else in the group. Ghost has a particularly great narrative verse on "The Heart Gently Weeps" about beating up a gun-toting would-be killer in the middle of a Pathmark. The real welcome surprise on 8 Diagrams, though, is Method Man, who just raps out of his mind whenever anyone puts a mic near him. On "Stick Me For My Riches," he comes on roaring after a couple of minutes of tortured 70s soul with a riveting, desperate up-from-nothing verse. I seriously thought Meth might never return to his former glory; he's seemed so mad at the world over the last couple of years, but suddenly he's just breathing fire. One of the welcome byproducts of the great rap sales decline has been the sudden, unexpectedly hungry comebacks from older rappers who have seen their crossover attempts crash and burn; Busta Rhymes is on a similar tear right now. But Busta Rhymes doesn't have an album full of heady, druggy beats the way Meth does here, and Meth makes the most of his shot. The things that Raekwon doesn't like about 8 Diagrams are the things that make it something like a masterpiece. At least during the recording of the album, all the Wu guys seemed to realize how great they sound over RZA's bent orchestral beats, and they stepped it up accordingly. And even if RZA never manages to get these guys back under his spell, the end result may be worth it. It's going to take a long, long time to untangle 8 Diagrams, but even a few days after it leaked, it's pretty evident that we won't be hearing another rap record this bent and fascinating anytime soon.

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Comments (44)

Jeff says:

You know Tom, I disagree with an awful lot of what what you write about, but I'm really pleased to read this review. This might be the most spot-on thing you've written all year. Really really nice work. You got this one.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 4:59PM
Jayson Greene says:

"The real welcome surprise on 8 Diagrams, though, is Method Man, who just raps out of his mind whenever anyone puts a mic near him."

Fuckin a, right?? unbelievable. I, too, thought this Method Man was completely buried. Between this, the leak of Big Doe Rehab, and "judgment day" by beanie sigel (easily one of the best things he's ever done, and that's saying something) this has been a fucking awesome week or so.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 5:15PM
Jayson Greene says:

I must say, though, that I don't hear the symphony you're hearing with the beats. I'll keep trying....

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 5:16PM
steve horowitz says:

i can't really say that rza knows what he's doing. that track, "sunshine," is basically a defense of religion, and it gets incredibly weird when he starts talking about allah at the end of it. that track seemed like something he tacked on during the mixing process without letting the other guys know that he put it on there. it's good to hear rza musically connect each track, though, considering his solo releases in recent years have been vanity projects in conveying just how good he is at digging up old samples. oh, and he sucks at rapping. end of story.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 5:45PM
Jason says:

No, no, no. The production just doesn't work for most of the guys. Rae and Ghost may indeed have a beef with the aesthetic because it absolutely dilutes the power of their styles.
There are some interesting tracks production wise, "Wolves" and "Unpredictable" are nice, but "Starter" and "Windmill" sound more like some left over Kill Bill shit. The thing Rza should realize is that you should play to your strengths, and their current strengths are Rae and Ghost. This album makes U-God sound decent at some points and makes some Meth verses better than they really are. This album isn't a shit sandwhich, but it's hardly a masterwork of drugged out space rap either, right now. Time may tell though.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 7:13PM
Jasper says:

Niceness

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 8:06PM
Colin C. says:

I'm hating this album...

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 8:38PM
Government Names says:

I'm guessing that "_______'s Drug-Rap Masterwork" is the new headline template we're going to be seeing here every couple weeks from now on.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 8:41PM
will says:

real rap: this is a really great record.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 8:52PM
Tray says:

With all respect, this album sucks. There's weird and great (examples: Purple Haze, E-40's flow, Guru saying "lemonade was a popular drink and it still is, I get more stunts and kicks than Bruce Willis," "Sunlight",), and then there's weird for the sake of being weird (Lupe's recent stuff, "Underwater" off Fishscale, The Mouse and The Mask, and pretty much every song on 8 Diagrams other than Sunlight). I like your work or I wouldn't read it, but one thing I notice is that you're quick to embrace just about every weird musical idea ever conceived - except for Gwen Stefani's "Wind It Up." Unlike some people, I don't think that the beats on this album are bad pieces of music; they might work really well in a movie soundtrack, on a RZA album, maybe a very strange Dipset project... but GZA, Rae, Meth, Masta Killa, and Deck are really old rappers with straight-line flows who still sound like it's 1993, maybe 1996, and they just sound incredibly out of place on this stuff. Besides, it's really hard to process someone as lyrically intricate as GZA when you've got RZA's attempt at remixing the soundtrack to Psycho going on in the background. Half of the album sounds like it was originally recorded over some Premo boom-bap and then this crazy kid in a basement decided to incompetently remix everything for the heck of it. It makes about as much sense to me as if they started rapping over Timbo. And the hooks are nauseating. To paraphrase Cam, let Ghost sing all the hooks. I'm not against artistic progression, but this just sounds like a bad mashup.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 28 2007 @ 10:56PM
Mr X says:

I can't wait to hear this album!!! After Iron flag I thought it would be over and then after ODB died(RIP),meth falling off for the money,and the rest of the group doing mostly indie work(except ghost) I just started listening to 36 chambers and wondering WTF happen.It's very interesting this thing called Rap music this year.The south is on top or is it. T.I got the feds(I really hope he gets out of it)Lil wayne is just campaning like Hiliary for the hottest rapper out now(but really Tom I know you like him and I do too but the hottest out now is like me saying Lebron is the best basketball player in the shittest league with the shittest players.Maybe I'll shut the fuck up when he puts out his album, but I will read you his lyrics and then I will still talk shit.)

The East coast is really back!!!It might not have been the biggest in sales, but with Jay-z and the roc(freeway&beenie)and you telling me that the Wu album is solid,and if Cam and Jim get their shit together and If NAS drops the heat I think he will(I just read that he's getting beats from puffy and cool and dre,which sounds good, it worked for jay and beenie)it will get back to Lyrics(which the east is good that). So here we are,almost the end of the year and Kanye does have the best album(even though he lost everything personally,Tom trust me listening too" Stronger" sounds so much deeper now after all the shit he when through.)And with things so open for 2008 for once in about 7 years(no g-unit,and did like 50 at the start)I am really looking forward to rap music next year!!!

Wu tang clan Still aint nothing to fuck wit!!!!!!!!!

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 2:26AM
FK says:

fuck you, RZA forever!

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 9:06AM
Dirty welsh says:

how the fuk can u slate the wu like that?? this album may not be the greatest but we were lucky 2 even get 8 diagrams mo focka wu 4 life CashRulesEverythingAroundMe CREAM- get da money

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 9:45AM
Dean Nicholas says:

Saying that "the production just doesn't work for most of the guys" says more about the rappers than it does about the production. The best rappers sound amazing over the widest variety of beats, simple as that. Ghost sounds incredible across the whole album (admittedly, he's only on 4 tracks) whereas a couple of others, Gza say, get a bit lost. Still, his verse on Stick Me 4 My Riches is excellent.

Pound for pound, it's a pretty amazing album, firstly for existing at all then secondly for managing to sound like nothing else released in the past year. And it's timeless quality - coupled with the fact that it's simply not going to resonate with most '07 rap fans - just highlights how implausible the Wu's mid-Nineties popularity was. A group as avant garde as this had no right being as massive as they were.

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 11:40AM
glasjoe says:

I agree, this will take a long time to digest. Already, there are a few songs that completely lost me and I doubt I’ll ever warm up to them. However, I’d rather more artists take some chances, miss their mark and make something interesting (great, horrible, weird…whatever) than to keep adding to the pile of shit that today’s hip-hop has become. 808, shitty synth, no-talent garbage rapper, its getting fucking old.

Oh, and Meth is a monster on this album. Ghost is sick, on this and his new solo album. Sick.

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 11:58AM
C-Young says:

Look... Music is about progression and break ya neck head nodding. What I'm hearing on this album is RZA doing just that yet moving on from the dirty dingy beats of say 36 Chambers and musically orchestrating another mind-bending masterpiece.
When Wu Forever dropped, I heard the same shit from everyone, "Awh.. RZA sold out. Whats these string instruments doing on a rap album? This shit is soft... Wu fell off..." Now a few years later its heralded as one of the greatest albums ever produced. We already heard 36 Chambers and if you're like me you know it backwards and forwards. In another few years all doubters will once again tell their friends they've always loved 8 Diagrams. I've listened to the album and I have to say I absolutely love it.
And as for Rae... calm yourself son. You have one good album and thats the RZA produced "purple tape" Cuban Links. Be thankful for that. All your other work without RZA is complete garbage. Lyrically Rae kills it... but thats it.
This album 8 Diagrams is a must have for REAL hip hop enthusiests period.
For all you doubters... go pick up Ja Rules new album. I'm sure you'd enjoy it.

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 12:50PM
g says:

great review. thanks.

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 1:21PM
Tray says:

Yeah, that's true, it says more about the rappers that they can't sound good over these sorts of beats than it does about the beats themselves, but it's still a mistake on RZA's part to force them to rap over these beats when everybody in the world but him and Mr. Breihan could've told you it wouldn't work. Also, I don't think it's true that the best rappers can rap over any beat; Wayne can rap over a much wider variety of tracks than Nas, ergo, Wayne has a better flow, but Wayne is a massively worse rapper. And even Ghost wouldn't sound good over anything, imagine Ghost over Timbo or Rick Rock. A lot of people will defend this just because it's the Wu and say, oh, why can't they change their style, but in reality, there's a limit to successful artistic progression. Most rappers, bands, whatever, can only do a couple of things very well; in the case of these guys, most of them at least, rapping over orchestral beats isn't one of them.

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 3:32PM
Jody says:

thanks, I want to buy the album now!

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 6:17PM
pat says:

I was reading some of the early blog "reveiws" of this album where they just straight trashed. I don't always agree with your reviews but I'm glad you wrote this because its dead on. If this is in fact the last RZA produced WU album I think they will be going out on high note.

Posted On: Thursday, Nov. 29 2007 @ 7:15PM
Jason says:

All I am sayin is that Rae, (more than Ghost) sounds best over those snap snap crackle pop simple minimalist beats of Rza yester-year. Sure Ghost sounds great on anything these days from Doom beats to slick soul samples but just because Rae's verse works better without a lot of clutter doesn't mean he is less than great, dude still spits the most dense shit imaginable at his best, with beats that compliment him.

Posted On: Friday, Nov. 30 2007 @ 1:58AM
kung fu fighters says:

this album is setting standards many rap producers cant do..its 2007 n its a real rap album with a 2007 feel in it n d nex 5 yrs...alot of luv coming frm ASIA ...d only reason hear gently weeps sucks because the most commercialised rappers frm wu r in it..it wud been lovely if we got a chnace ta hear GZA UG n Ins on it instead

Posted On: Friday, Nov. 30 2007 @ 3:38AM
jt says:

i've been waiting since the late 90's for hip hop to catch up with all of the drug music that had been influenced by it (ie massive attack, portishead)aquemini and funcrusher plus are arguably the greatest and most cohesive psychedelic hip hop albums ever, but this is on a whole different level. wayne says that he is a martian, but "i feel like dying," while entertaining, couldn't be more of a obvious track. 8 diagrams, however, finally realized rza's obsession with the portisheads of the world (remember that bobby digital sample? terrible.) this album is hip hop's dark star, diamond sea. and unpredictable would sound great banging out of jeep or out of another galaxy on god knows how many hits of acid. a masterwork. stop hating.

Posted On: Friday, Nov. 30 2007 @ 7:18AM
jk says:

Loving this album, too, and glad to see some defense of it in print. Rae & Ghost's complaints lost even more credibility when they said they wanted to bring in people like Kanye & Pharrell to produce a few tracks. No disrespect to either, but that's not what I want on a Wu-Tang album. "8 Diagrams" definitely pushes the group forward in really great ways. A total high-water mark for the Wu, and their best album in years.

Posted On: Sunday, Dec. 2 2007 @ 2:25PM
Anonymous says:

Really disheartening that Rae and Ghost are publicly denouncing this record. They're acting like RZA went and turned this album into Electric Circus or some shit.

Posted On: Sunday, Dec. 2 2007 @ 5:04PM
Anonymous says:

Really disheartening that Rae and Ghost are publicly denouncing this record. They're acting like RZA went and turned this album into Electric Circus or some shit.

Posted On: Sunday, Dec. 2 2007 @ 5:06PM
Mr x says:

Just heard the Album Tom. You are right. One word-masterpiece. Nuff said

Posted On: Sunday, Dec. 2 2007 @ 5:59PM
Bazaco says:

Wow, as stated in previous comments, this review was spot on, for me.

I really enjoyed what, it seems, Rae and GFK hated about the album...the trippy orchestral/guitar craziness that RZA put together for the members.

Thanks for writing this review....best review I've read in a very long time.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 2:32PM
Rogo Williams says:

Honestly as an avid Wu tang fan, I will refrain from saying this album is absolute garbage but I agree with Ghost and Rae on the production line of this album. After a few listens it sounds like a RZA solo project for a film score or something, without bearing in mind that there are 7 other mc's waiting to spit. This album is void of the sound which is synonimus with the Clan. Sometimes you just need to go back to basics. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever hear anything like the wu tang of old again, that ship has sailed.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 5:09PM
Hila says:

Wow wow, this is the best thing I have heard in a while, wow. Big up RZA, The Wu is back make another Album damn this is of the hizzouse.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 11:25PM
Dallas says:

Church like a motherfucker to this drop.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 5:22PM
SB says:

The way I see it 90% of this release is dope Wu material and if 2 tracks (Sunlight and Stick Me For My Riches) had either been produced better or just left off it would have been overall one of the best Wu releases since Forever. I rate this 80%.

Posted On: Wednesday, Dec. 5 2007 @ 2:09AM
Darkdiamond says:

Well this album is a Rza album like "enter the wu" or the first solos of the clan. Rza is the soul of the clan, he created the clan and made it grow ! The clan is his vision, his project, his masterpiece. The problem with the others mcs is that they r the same motherfuckas of 1993, but life changes. Rza has become more complex and a true musician. He has tried since the beginning to bring the wu to another level. And I think if the members have really followed him the wu saga would have been far greater than it's ! But these niggaz can not change minus Ghost or Meth ! They always want the same thing but the fact a dope album like "No said date" didn't sell is the proof that something must change.
Rza is a genius and sometimes wu fans don't understand him. I remember when "wu forever" came out, these "fans" said it was garbage but now what r they saying ? The problem with a genius is that he sees things that others can't see or hear. One of my friend who became wu fan thanks to me, said that Rza sounds r special, they grow on u. I think that this album is not different it will grow on u. One day most of u will say damn it's a really good shit. Rza is an artist but the motherf... like Rae r just mcs that's the problem. Since the beginning wu has been far more than a simple rap group. And Rza has always had a "soundtrack feeling" listen to "OBCL" or tracks like "stimulation","ironmaiden", "cold world"... So this album is just the conclusion of Rza musical evolution !
For the other mcs of the clan I think Rza could do a double album. An album for him and an album for them. I think may be there will be another wu album in one year with the wu gambinos Rae and Ghost ! But if this shit is produced by Kanye or Pharell I won't buy it ! Fuck this idea ! I mean there r too many dope producers in the clan like Mathematics, True Master or Bronze Nazareth to go and chose other producers.

Posted On: Thursday, Dec. 6 2007 @ 7:41AM
Realmasta says:

It could be the end of the clan like the beginning of a new saga. As usual Rza took risks and tried something new ! But as he said in the five years plan he was the general and now there r 8 generals so things have totally changed ! Is it a good thing ? I don't think so !
In the golden era when Rza totally controled the clan they gave to the hip hop game many of the greatest albums of all the time like "Enter the wu", "OBCL", "liquid swordz", "Ironman" or "Return to 36 chambers, dirty version" Even "Tical" or "wu-tang forever" R great albums too. But since the abbott lost the control the wu has really fallen off. This time again he tried to control every aspect of the 5th wu opus. But for the first time of the clan history he has to face the (public) anger of Ghost and Rae two of the most important wu soldiers. Sincerely I don't appreciate it, I mean if they don't feel the beats why did they put their fucking voices on these ones ? They r a group and this group must have one leader and this leader is the Rza ! Imagine if every soldier wants togo his own way, it will be a sad chaos ! Rza knew it, he tried to give a shape to this project and it's not an easy thing ! wu is like an army and every army has one general ! As a general he choses a strategy he created a new universe. The wu-tang clan is the Rza's group, if Rae and Ghost want to create their own crew they can !
They r a part of this project so if it fails it will be a defeat for the whole clan. So I hope for the wu this album will be successfull if not Rea will go his way (that sucks) like ghost. It will not smell good for Inspectah Deck, Masta Killa, U God and maybe Gza. Rza has nothing to lose because he is friend with jarmusch, Tarantino and Russell Crowe he is a star !
I don't like the new ghost joint it really sucks ! I still listen "supreme clientele" and "Ironman" but I have already forgotten his other albums ! Rae really sucks without Rza he is nothing just one of the numerous mcs who try to be a star ! Rza know how to make wu mcs shine.
I would appreciated the fact he allows every mc shine on one track by giving him the sound he expects, but it will destroy the rythm of the album ! Rza is really at another level he is far more than a hip hop producer, I think he isn't a hip hop producer no more ! This album is not an hip hop album and it's why Ghost and Rae don't like it, this album is music ! This music and hip hop don't follow the same rules. Music is about vibration and harmony not hip hop (the hip hop some mcs want). Fuck what they think, Rza is the GOAT. His lyrics r deeper than the sea and his music is highest than skyscrapers !


Posted On: Thursday, Dec. 6 2007 @ 8:04PM
Dean Nicholas says:

I've been amazed by the media's focus on the crap coming from Rae and Ghostface. GFK is the only solo member relevant today, and the only one to have released a string of unblemished classic records, so he has some clout and his words carry weight, but Rae? This is the guy who wants to be picking the beats? The same dude responsible for Immobilarity, The Lex Diamonds Story and countless forgettable mixtapes, where he was left to pick and choose the sound direction himself? That's the dude crowing about bad production?

Rae's one single worthwhile solo track since 1995 was State Of Grace last year, produced by who exactly? Yup, Rza. He's really just got to stop running his yap and realise that, sans the Abbot, he's done precisely nothing.

Part of me thinks it's frustration on Rae's part due to the indefinitely delayed OB4CL2, which isn't really Rza's fault from what I've read.

Posted On: Friday, Dec. 7 2007 @ 8:59AM
Keith Descoteaux says:

I love what I'm reading. I'm really glad people are fucking with this album. I wasn't sure people would accept it. It sure is a strange album but it's beautiful. I'm having a blast unravelling it. Theres a couple tracks I can live without but overall this thing IS a masterpiece. Rza clearly worked his fucking ass off on this one and I'm dissapointed in Rae and Ghost for not being proud of him. Ghost's new album is killer, he knows what works best for him but Rza knows how to create atmosphere and moods. This thing is like a movie. I really wish Rae and Ghost would just accept that they happen to work with a genius and it ain't the Gza.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 10 2007 @ 7:46PM
WU FOR LIFE says:

"RZA ranting brain-melting crackpot-philosophy silliness over humming soul-samples and harpsichord drones. I've never much liked RZA as a rapper because he always sounded totally content to ignore his own beats, but "Sunrise" hardly has any drums, and so his vocal comes off like urgent, drunk spoken-word poetry. "I been highly misunderstood by those that met us / They had ears of corn and heads of lettuce," he says, and the funny part is that he doesn't even treat it like a punchline; he bleats it out with raw sincerity like it's the most important thing he ever said..." Wow Tom, you really know what your talking about. Rza is the abbot of the clan, and for you to come out talking shit about him really shows how much you listen to Wu's work and how deep you look into its intricacy. NOT.
"Yo yo assassination vaccination poor education
infatuation with Satan with global nataion taxation
Fiberoptic microscopic biological germ
Mad Cow burger on the market, Captain a nigga starship
I never departed once I started
to explore these regions that was uncharted
Leave your heart broken, y'all stand tall
like buildings on Van Dyke's, all mics
Beats strike like a noisy four train late night
Chase got New York for the Life, we out of state
Can't smoke a bone in the staircase with out gettin chased
Penny candy poisonous rappers, best to chill or get your head gashed
Lemonhead, sour Pez kids, best to grab
a Life Savor, I'll Jawbreak ya, Boston Bake ya
Then plant my sunflower seed on every square acre
The beauty of my nature shown through Shaquaisha I Mecca
When I made myself Equality, known to my reflector
Stay in your playpen boy, and babble for your formula and cried
you pacified, this lullaby from the black butterfly" -Rza, Tradgedy, Wu Chronicles. Once you can come out and spit like that, then you can call his rapping "brain-melting crackpot-philosophy silliness"

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 11 2007 @ 11:47AM
dirtydishcloth says:

i wonder if 8 diagrams is RZA's move (in response) to, say, Madlib or some of those jazzy westcoast pros? this album is really quality. the windmill > weak spot portion is amazing.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 11 2007 @ 6:59PM
dirtydishcloth says:

also, i think the arrangement of this album is fucking genius.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 11 2007 @ 7:13PM
nobodycares says:

all that i'm going to say is that THIS ALBUM IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY. matter of fact, EVERY WU-TANG GROUP ALBUM IS NOT FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON. of course, it's different when it comes to solo albums, but the group album is always going to be on some other shit. They are the kings of that type of shit. I respect RZA of doing different shit, but I'd repsect him more that he do different shit on a group album THAT ALL THE GROUP MEMEBERS FEEL... then again, it's a group. If you don't like this album, then that's you... as long as I don't hear no corny shit from your iTunes... but I fuck with this album.

Posted On: Friday, Dec. 14 2007 @ 3:20AM
derek beres says:

been reading a lot of negative press on this record, so glad to come across this piece, as it pretty much nails everything i feel about the album. i don't like all the songs, but the flow is incredible, and the layers that rza wove into the story is tremendous. it reminds me of common's "electric circus," which was about as far out of his box as he could, and probably will, go. unfortunately he returned with "be," i suppose to claim pop success. (it was a good idea, but so damn basic.) if raekwon did orchestrate a wu record sans rza, i'm expecting it would be much of the same as common. fortunately we have this document to hold on to, wherever they move, or don't, next.

Posted On: Sunday, Dec. 16 2007 @ 5:20PM
ruthless jello says:

great fucking album. 'heart gently weeps' is insane! fuck the doubters

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 17 2007 @ 1:38PM
Anonymous says:

slammin orininal album. reminds me of when wilson dropped pet sounds.

Posted On: Wednesday, Dec. 19 2007 @ 11:51AM
justice says:

Sunlight is the track I couldn't stop listening to!

It may be a personal track for RZA, but it holds something deep regardless of religion.

The tracks got that nasty sway groove to it. Trying to find that sample!!

Posted On: Thursday, Feb. 7 2008 @ 3:55PM

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