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Why Do Rappers Keep Quitting?

By Tom Breihan, Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 3:54PM
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A couple of weeks ago, Saigon posted a long rant on his MySpace blog about how he's quitting the rap game. His reasoning: "Now I can say what the fuck I want, when I want, however the fuck I want without people feeling like they have the right to ridicule me, judge me and talk slick about me because I have this title 'Rapper' attached to my name." Today, Pitchfork ran an interview with Lupe Fiasco where Lupe talked about how the album he's got coming out is his second-to-last. His reasoning: "I'm at a creative end. I really don't think I have that much to say. And I don't want to get to the point where I'm putting out music just to put out music." In both of these cases, there seems to be some pretty sound reasoning at work, even if in both cases it's surrounded by pretension and bluster. But it's sort of striking how quickly these guys are getting tired of the music business when they've both only really just broken in. Saigon and Lupe were both on the cover of XXL's next-big-things issue a couple of months back. Between them, they've released a grand total of one album. After years of working to get into the position where major record labels are releasing and promoting their music, these guys are declaring themselves done with the business before the vast majority of the music-listening public has had a chance to figure out who they are. I still haven't heard The Cool, the new Lupe album that's coming out in a couple of weeks, but a friend who's heard it reports that he keeps saying "one more to go" throughout. It's kind of hard to get excited about rap music when the people making the music keep reminding you how over it they are.

Common mag-industry wisdom has it that you have to have three workable examples before you can write a trend-piece, so this isn't really a trend-piece. I can't think of any other young rappers who are declaring themselves through with rap, though I wouldn't be shocked if there's some random mixtape rapper out in New Jersey doing just that this second. And Saigon and Lupe are two very different cases. Lupe's long been planning to only release three albums, whereas Saigon seems to be going off on the spur of the moment; there's a good chance he'll either issue a retraction soon or just keep on as if the outburst never happened. Still, it's pretty amazing to see both of these guys making dramatic-exit talk at the exact same time. Rap has had more than its share of halfassed retirements, retirements which always turn out to be temporary. But it hasn't had a whole lot of high-profile figures who just storm out of the industry in disgust. To be sure, a whole lot of foul shit happens in the music industry, and as record sales continue to tank, there's also less money going around. But Saigon and Lupe have spent long enough in the music business that they knew what they were getting into when they signed their contracts. It baffles me that either of them can be surprised about how much bullshit is involved in making a career out of rapping.

One of the weird things about rap is that none of the richest rappers make most of their money rapping. They all have clothing lines or action-figures or signature microwave-popcorn brands or whatever, and those things generate a whole lot more money than music. But to get to the point where someone is making that microwave-popcorn money, you actually have to become a popular enough rapper that the microwave-popcorn companies of the world sit up and take notice. The biggest financial incentive to keep rapping isn't record sales or live-show fees; it's the possibility of endorsements. Another weird thing is the recent mentality that being a rapper isn't cool and so every rapper needs to constantly remind you that he's not a rapper but that he's really a master kingpin drug-dealer who also raps, just for fun. I've interviewed both Lupe and Saigon in the past, and both of them are total rap dorks, people who have studied the form for years and who take their craft seriously. But I wonder if the general devaluation of the craft of rapping has somehow seeped into every rapper who either wants to quit right now or who wants to record a few albums an then quit. If it's not cool to be a rapper anymore, and if the music business is such an exploitative mess, then why would anyone even bother? Why isn't every rapper just throwing up his hands and quitting? Is everyone on the cover of that XXL next-big-things issue going to announce a sudden retirement within the year? Or are they all going to do the honorable thing and gradually fade into obscurity instead?

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Comments (29)

BubsDepot says:

Tom, I'm pretty sure Game talked about quitting too. There's your third. Not sure where that gets you though.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 4:29PM
djcrimson says:

At least Nas knows that rapping is his calling for life.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 4:57PM
Sordid Puppy says:

this piece isn't about anything.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 4:59PM
walkmasterflex says:

Yeah, there's a video somewhere on onsmash.net from a few months back on The Game saying he's gonna make three albums and then retire, too.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 6:17PM
Anonymous says:

Honestly, what's dramatic about Saigon and Lupe Fiasco's "dramatic exit" talk? Lupe is responsible for three good songs, some amazing verses, and one not-very-good album. Saigon, as near as I can tell, is only responsible for dropping such jewels as "Rhymes like her'on, you stick it in your veins/The track's something like crack, it hits you in your brain." Who is honestly going to miss them? Their exit from the music business will be about as dramatic and heralded and Jin's.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 7:28PM
Jayson Greene says:

Honestly, what's dramatic about Saigon and Lupe Fiasco's "dramatic exit" talk? Lupe is responsible for three good songs, some amazing verses, and one not-very-good album. Saigon, as near as I can tell, is only responsible for dropping such jewels as "Rhymes like her'on, you stick it in your veins/The track's something like crack, it hits you in your brain." Who is honestly going to miss them? Their exit from the music business will be about as dramatic and heralded and Jin's.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 8:04PM
Jayson Greene says:

Honestly, what's dramatic about Saigon and Lupe Fiasco's "dramatic exit" talk? Lupe is responsible for three good songs, some amazing verses, and one not-very-good album. Saigon, as near as I can tell, is only responsible for dropping such jewels as "Rhymes like her'on, you stick it in your veins/The track's something like crack, it hits you in your brain." Who is honestly going to miss them? Their exit from the music business will be about as dramatic and heralded and Jin's.

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 3 2007 @ 8:04PM
Ass Hat says:

apparently 50 cent is going to retire if kanye west's album sells more copies than his. all i can say is: wow!

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 7:01AM
kohanmusic says:

I think more than retirement announcements it's sad how rappers become stars, get big enough to start their own brands or cross over to TV or film, and then put out lousy records that fans don't want, damaging their commmercial credibility in ALL of their ventures. Who would care right now if Ja Rule was in a movie? Where's that latest Redman and Method Man flick? How are the sales for the State Property line of clothing? And if any of those artists released records today - would the fans be there for them?

I'm not bashing these guys as much as asking - how can we expect rappers NOT to "retire" from music at the peak when we all see how rough a trip it can be on the way down from the mountaintop?

Or do we just acknowledge that longevity is not what we as listeners or consumers generally want out of our rap stars?

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 11:18AM
Hoodgrown_Magazine says:

"At least Nas knows that rapping is his calling for life."

-

Is that a good thing though? I think Nas should be in a better situation than he's currently in. Sure he may be financially secure but he doesn't owe anything and is merely the slave on the plantation while his peers such as Jay Z and 50 Cent have gone on to own or at least own pieces of flourishing companies.

Why couldn't Nas have become the CEO of Def Jam or have made the investment in Vitamin Water?

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 2:41PM
AB says:

http://fakeshoredrive.blogspot.com/2007/11/common-to-fake-retire-from-rap.html

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 2:52PM
steve horowitz says:

r.i.p. pimp c.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 3:39PM
Yo says:

I guess Pimp C just quit too.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 3:48PM
A. Fontaine says:

Can you blame these guys? The whole rap game is built off of people paying their dues in the mixtape circuit. So after endless amounts of material essentially put out for free on mixtapes, its hard to imagine how any of these guys be expected to still have that much juice in them to put out a dope album? I mean, after a new Lil Wayne mixtape coming out every day, do we really care about Carter III? The deck is stacked against these poor kingpin drug dealers.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 4:37PM
hey says:

That aint even funny dude.

RIP Chad Butler

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 5:05PM
ondioline says:

Hoodgrown Mag,

Didn't Nas say something about building his very own Motown? I feel like that was part of his abominable verse on "We Major..." but I might be wrong.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 5:06PM
GS_HipHopCongress says:

Every other month there is someone writing about the demise of Hip Hop. People have been talking about it since 79'. It will continue to change and flux and reflect consumers wants and needs.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 8:33PM
tray says:

Abominable verse on We Major?? If by abominable you mean best verse on that glorified coaster of an album, then yeah.

Posted On: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2007 @ 8:42PM
TONYY DAVIS says:

RAPPERS ARE NOT ARTISTS, GROWN MEN MAKING UP WACK ASS RYMES IS REALLY SAD YALL. GO TO SCHOOL EVERYBODY111111111

Posted On: Wednesday, Dec. 5 2007 @ 3:22AM
sandi says:

AMEN and stay in school

Posted On: Wednesday, Dec. 5 2007 @ 3:54PM
SIW says:

Tom, your point about rappers taking pride in NOT being rappers was the sub-subject of K. Sanneh's profile of Jay-Z in the Nyker years ago. Might be worth a check

Posted On: Thursday, Dec. 6 2007 @ 5:53AM
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Posted On: Thursday, Dec. 6 2007 @ 8:05PM
beccy says:

wtf? that was the worst paragraphs i've ever read. if people want to quit rap then good for then of course there fans might not be happy but they are. so why yall be all up in there freakin space. i mean seriously!! shut up sure it's enturtaning but all you hear is freakin gossip i mean dude. shut up!!!!!!!!!!

Posted On: Friday, Jan. 18 2008 @ 4:50PM
Ldizzy says:

Hum.. well i guess if i were lupe and i realized nowadays u can say ANYTHING and get credit for it... i would just... do the same... he wont quit RAPPING, he couldnt, rappers just rap forever.. even when they pour milk in their cherrios bowl... but i think anybody would get over the Industry thing if no logical correlation between talent and credit were to be experienced through the ''industry-journey''...

Posted On: Sunday, Sep. 21 2008 @ 2:27AM
eyeinsee says:

Look at the rap game tho yall why would any hard working, talented emcee want to work in a industry that doesn't revolve around talent. I'm 26 and when i was coming up rap was maaad diffrent. music was GOOD, dudes were signed for their talent not cuz they sold alot of records, labels put out quailty albums not just one hot song. so you work for years to get into the rap game to stand with the greats like jay-z busta or nas and when you arrive all you got is flo-rida and soulja boy! Its like standing in line to get into a strip club then when you get in its all male dancers. I DIDNT SIGN UP FOR THIS!? but its all good cuz right now hip-hop is lowest selling genre in the biz not cuz of the digital age but because noone wants to spend money on BS!

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 15 2008 @ 3:34PM
lil boosie says:

fuck all you guyz that are talkin sh*t about the game and im not talkin about about the rapper the game either. i think they quit cuz they want 2! how would any of you lil playa h8tersfeel if you guys got criticised about quittin your job? thats there job and THIS IS AMERICA so.... all you lil foolz that r h8in on rappers for retiring GET A LIFE!!!!!!! GO ON WIT YA SELF AND STFU

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 12 2009 @ 3:46AM
lil boosie says:

Ha Ha you kidz are lil r-tardz that cant spell OH YEA HEY LIL WAYNE IM THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE SO F69K YOU!!!! YOU LIL I JUST THROW WORDS TOGETHER YOUR SONGS DONT HAVE ANY MEANING

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 12 2009 @ 3:51AM
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Posted On: Monday, Oct. 12 2009 @ 3:53AM
Tee Yea Teach You says:

See how The Game is messing up the passion of still rapping when you're about to push 30 or already in your 30s? Now that's ruining Hip Hop if you're married to the Genre. You can quit battling but quit rapping? Wow!

Posted On: Tuesday, Nov. 10 2009 @ 2:12PM

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