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8Ball & MJG's Moment is Coming

Posted by Tom Breihan at 2:34 PM, June 18, 2008

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Don't make don't make them kill them kill no motherfucking body in here

The Birthday Bash, Atlanta rap station Hot 107.9's big annual show, has always seemed like a baby version of the Hot 97 Summer Jam. But every account I've read of this year's Birthday Bash makes it sound like the Atlanta show might've equalled the New York one this year for both headline-seizing big statements and general dizzy pop thrills. The station managed to get every Atlanta rapper with a song currently in rotation on the same stage in the same day, including guys who have serious issues with each other: T.I. and Shawty Lo, Young Jeezy and Gucci Mane. Jeezy made a big play for A-list superstar status, bringing out both Usher and Kanye West, a stunt that would've killed at Summer Jam. Shawty Lo made a big deal about how his set was going to be better than T.I.'s beforehand, and onstage, he did everything he could to further this ridiculous beef that nobody cares about. Shawty's big issue with T.I. is that he says he's from Bankhead but apparently isn't. Maybe that's actually a big deal to people in Bankhead (though I doubt it), but I can't imagine anyone else cares. But Shawty still brought out every other rapper from Bankhead, which meant D4L and Dem Franchize Boyz and D.G. Yola. (D4L and DFB had previously thrown shots at each other over which group had invented the snap-music dance. Shawty Lo gets in the dumbest beefs.) Shawty Lo also brought out Ludacris, who I guess still hates T.I., and he ended his set with "A new King has been born" flashing on the Birthday Bash screen. This guy should probably learn to string together a sentence before he tries to convince me that he's king of anything. T.I.'s response was suitably regal: during his set, he did Lo's goofy jogging dance, and then he let it drop. It must've been a whole lot of fun to see all this go down in person. But my favorite story from Birthday Bash is one that won't grab a whole lot of headlines. During that same set, T.I. unveiled his latest Grand Hustle signings: 8Ball & MJG.

This is good news. 8Ball & MJG are Southern titans, but they've spent the past half-decade or so under contract to Bad Boy, a label that has no idea what to do with them. 2004's Living Legends and last year's Ridin' High, the two albums they released under Bad Boy, had a few great moments apiece, but they were also frustrating and uneven and cluelessly sequenced and planned-out. Ball and G are great at a few very specific things: cartoonishly exaggerated crime-life narratives, hilariously nasty pimp-talk, fuck-you-up threats, heartfelt up-from-nothing inspirational talk, candid appraisals of all the bullshit the music business has put them through. On warm, slow, heavy Southern beats like the ones longtime associate Tmix made for most of their albums, they sound more at-home and natural than just about anyone else. But Bad Boy had them doing saucer-eyed R&B love-songs, glossy Danjahandz-type club-tracks, Jazze Pha squeakers, and all sorts of other bullshit that they had no business doing. We Are the South, the duo's haphazardly compiled new best-of, is coming out on Koch, and that label makes perfect sense for these guys; I can easily imagine them cranking out solid midcard aging-rapper albums for their core audience for years to come.

Maybe that'll still happen; these deals with artist-run major-label subsidiaries have a way of suddenly disappearing or just never getting started. And older rap heroes who sign with younger rap stars don't have great track records; think Mobb Deep on G-Unit. But I have a good feeling about this Grand Hustle thing. T.I. knows how to put together Southern rap albums, and he clearly venerates these two; their influence was all over Trap Muzik in particular. On Grand Hustle, they'll also have access to in-house producers like Khao, guys who crank out exactly the sort of beats that work best with their voices. If everything works out right, these guys should be able to put together a relatively big-budget album that could solidify their legend status, sort of like UGK did with Underground Kingz. This would make me happy.

Something else strikes me about this deal: Grand Hustle now has a stronger, deeper roster than any other artist-run label in rap. 50 Cent is down to only his most loyal supplicants. Lil Wayne and Young Jeezy are still messing with losers like Tyga and Blood Raw. God only knows what's going on with Roc-A-Fella anymore. T.I., meanwhile, has Young Dro, an enormously likable younger guy and maybe the world's foremost expert on car-color similes. He's got B.O.B., a Dungeon Family stylistic descendant with a slippery but technically sound delivery and at least three great singles already under his belt. He's got Alfamega, whose demented yammering tough-talk reminds me of Freddie Foxxx if Freddie Foxxx could rap really fast. He's got Yung L.A.; I don't really know anything about this guy, but "Ain't I," his debut single, is great eerie Southern-gothic slow-crawl stuff. He's got Big Kuntry King and Mac Boney, who I guess are OK. He doesn't have B.G., but he does have some sort of working relationship with the guy, and B.G.'s elastic nasal honk sounded amazing on the "Top Back" remix. And now he's got one of the greatest Southern rap groups ever. On paper, this is a pretty incredible lineup, and I can see Grand Hustle just running 2009 like they were circa-2004 G-Unit. Two problems, though. First, T.I. is about to go to prison for a year, which might throw a considerable wrench in everybody else's plans. Second: Grand Hustle's only successfully managed to release four non-T.I. albums: Dro's debut, which ruled, and albums that nobody bought or cared about from PSC and Governor and DJ Drama. I really hope Grand Hustle keeps its shit together; none of those guys should stay on the shelf.

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Tom, this post is nice and all, but I can't wait for you to try and put a positive spin on the humiliation of Young Buck.

Posted by: GovernmentNames at June 18, 2008 3:09 PM

Ball and G are great at a few very specific things: cartoonishly exaggerated crime-life narratives, hilariously nasty pimp-talk, blah blah blah...

They USED to be great at those things. Now they're just old. Well, 8Ball is old, MJG is nearly as good as he ever was. But 8Ball was always the soul of the group anyway so it doesn't matter how good MJG still is. Listening to them now is like listening to Havoc trying to carry the last three Mobb Deep albums. So I wouldn't have too high hopes. What you'll probably end up getting is a southern-rapper-feature-bloated mess with 2 or 3 songs that remind you of how good these guys used to be, much like Trill and II Trill.

Posted by: Tray at June 18, 2008 3:16 PM

I mostly just feel bad for Buck right now. 50 really fucked him over hard on that, and he didn't even have any real reason to do it. Nobody comes out of that thing looking good.

Posted by: Tom Breihan at June 18, 2008 3:50 PM

Not that there's ever a time when 50 is sympathetic or I really understand his thought process, but he was totally justified in that after Buck's months and months of public bitchassness.

Posted by: GovernmentNames at June 18, 2008 4:04 PM

I hate to say it but rap really is fun to hate on recently. It's just hillariously pointless and bloated, and simply devoid of anything even remotely worthy of getting worked up for or excited about. It really is gasping for air in the ICU heavily sedated, on a vent, on life support. I think if things don't get better a DNR order will be issued.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 18, 2008 6:51 PM

I was going to say something, but Tray pretty much captured the essence.

Underground Kingz and the Trill CDs are pretty good, if you've never heard a UGK record before. And I think that was their target audience.

Grand Hustle has had an impressive lineup for a while now and absolutely no product. Aftermath, anyone?

Posted by: Greg. at June 18, 2008 6:55 PM

8ball and MJG on 'Grand Hustle' sounds great and they could totally make a good-to-great album with some production (that 'Ball and Devius album's pretty good and MJG's one from earlier this year wasn't bad either, better than the Bad Boy messes...).

I'd agree that 'Trill' isn't much, but 'Underground Kingz' is consistently rewarding and I still listen to it nearly a year later.

Posted by: brandonsoderberg at June 19, 2008 12:34 AM

Hahaha. LO isn't trying to convince bloggers of shit (weren't you trashing Young Dro a couple years ago?)

Bankhead is The Hood of ATL. There's other rough spots of course, but there's NOTHING like Bankhead. T.I. is from Riverdale, which is sort of a lower mid-class suburb in Clayton County. Supposedly Tip stayed in Bankhead for a second after high school and mighta slanged a couple o's there, but he ain't no Bankhead playa. This is like someone from a little burgh in Jersey saying he's from Marcy. It's not just Bankhead people who care, it's plain embarrassing to Tip.

Shawty Lo wasn't behind the D4L/DFB beef.

Posted by: Tommy at June 19, 2008 12:10 PM

Besides the obvious reasons that this Shawty Lo/TI beef is stupid, there's the obvious but less obvious reasons that arguing as to who's "really" from a place is retarded. I'd agree, if TI's just misrepresenting himself, it's sort of dumb, but it's dumber for Lo to make his career on it especially when actual research about crime statistics, crime index, etc reveals Bankhead to not even be the most dangerous part of Atlanta.

And of course, in terms of the U.S there are way worse places than bad parts of Atlanta, so some other awful rapper should come up and call Lo out for not being from those places or you know, tell him to chill out and be less proud of how relatively fucked-up his hometown is...

Posted by: brandonsoderberg at June 19, 2008 1:24 PM

Wow! A blogger who's never set foot in Bankhead is judging whether it's hood enough for LO to represent! Trust me on this, if I drop you off in ANY random location in Bankhead on a Saturday morning, you have no idea how scared shitless you would be.

Why can't bloggers just admit they don't get it when a rapper they don't like blows up? There's tons of rappers outta Zone 1, but only Shawty Lo is the Mayor. LO runs this shit because where he's from, but he has great rhymes that folks love to sing, and he has more swag in his pinky ring than Kanye can even dream of.

Posted by: Tommy at June 19, 2008 1:52 PM

um, I mean LO's career ISN'T based on where he's from.

Sort of playing devil's advocate, I have nothing but love for Tip, but it's true that everyone in the A talks about how he ain't what he says he is.

Posted by: Tommy at June 19, 2008 1:58 PM

Tommy, chill-out. Also, if "blogger" is now a bad word, what's just some guy who comments? You could drop me off ten minutes from my house Sat morning and I'd be pretty scared, that's not the point. Plus it's nothing to do with "hood" or lack thereof, I was talking about like you know, hard facts.

I agree that if TI misrepresents himself it's sort of messed-up and cheap, but the bigger point is what I said, which is, there's worse and better places than Bankhead so it's dumb to use that as some gauge of realness.

As someone from Baltimore (I'm assuming you're from Bankhead?), its a really bad look to big-up your hometown based on how dangerous it is. It's basically a trend in rap that needs to stop. Everywhere's got some messed-up places "hood" or not hood...

Posted by: brandonsoderberg at June 19, 2008 4:22 PM

T.I. to Shawty Lo: "Duh, stay out of Riverdale!"

Posted by: MK at June 19, 2008 5:43 PM

I mean, of course they could make a very good album in the sense that certain people think Return Of The Mac was a very good album... in the "way past his prime rapper, coming off disastrous work pitched for max. commercial appeal, goes back to the sound he used to work with and everyone rejoices and ignores that said rapper's way past his prime" sense. Not that it isn't an enjoyable record once you accept that Prodigy is basically senile, but people who see that, or American Gangster, or Match Point (to give you another example of someone who's senile) as returns to form really, really puzzle me. Besides, I'd even question whether they'd pull off a ROTM at Grand Hustle - isn't this the same label that brought us a pretty disappointing Best Thing Smokin, T.I. vs. T.I.P... even King was a little bloated. I think the real solution is to sign with Rap-a-Lot. They'd get absolutely no promotion but they'd make a much better record.

Posted by: Tray at June 20, 2008 2:01 AM

the promo is crucial though...dudes would really go nowhere on rap-a-lot. they'd be better off staying on koch.

yeah it could be bloated and have some tracks for the ladies but there's the potential for superstardom you don't get at rap-a-lot.

Posted by: skinny at June 20, 2008 5:27 PM

^^

And there's also potential for them to pull a Prodigy and make a song thanking T.I. for their improved finances. There's just something sad about seeing once-great rappers signing on with stars who are nowhere near as good as they were, hoping that the association will revive their flagging careers. You think they would've learned from the Bad Boy experience that getting a big name to show his face in your video doesn't guarantee sales.

Posted by: Tray at June 21, 2008 2:03 AM

tom, great post, however, one correction: b.o.b is signed to Rebel Rock, jim jonsin's label.

Posted by: teethree at June 22, 2008 9:19 PM

whole lotta struggle im a yung dun dotta

Posted by: FRD at January 21, 2009 12:14 AM

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