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Ask a Casting Director: Wife Swap

Posted by Corina Zappia at 11:13 AM, December 14, 2006


"Mad Sally" Baur moves into her new life as a professional organizer (ABC/Michael Rubenstein)

Eye spoke recently with Dominique Bouchard, the casting director for ABC reality series Wife Swap, where wives swap husbands and children for two weeks to experience life in a drastically different environment. With participants in the past including families of competitive eaters, pirates, child-pageant advocates, and a wife who trains cage fighters, one can only imagine the casting gets fairly interesting.

How do you find some of these families, like the pirate or freak-show families? There's definitely a low percentage we actually choose that apply within the show. Families like the pirates, we come up with an idea of people we want to find. Then we try to contact different organizations and put the word out there. A casting AP would be assigned to that particular project of finding a family like that. We offer a finder's fee—so if we contact a particular organization, by helping us out they are going to receive the fee. And the families get a financial honorarium for being on the show.

We're going to have an episode coming up where we wanted to find a family of little people. So for an organization like the LPA [Little People of America], we might have given them the information to spread around.

Can you tell me more about the pairings? It always seems like the conservative family is paired with the unconventional family, the family with the wife who does all the work is paired with the family with the husband who does all the chores. Without giving our secrets away, I would say it’s not about pairing opposites. It’s really not. We look at the family, what one family could teach another, and what they could possibly learn.

Have there ever been any wife swaps where the husbands wound up with the other wife? Divorces? Any where members of each family still keep in touch? From season 3, there are definitely one or two families who are in contact. I have heard that through the grapevine; I wouldn’t give out who those families are. Divorces—as far as we know, no. But if someone from season 1 got a divorce, I wouldn't know for sure. As far as a permanent wife swap—absolutely not.

Why are so many kids on the show home-schooled? Do you ever recruit through home schooling agencies or organizations? We should really ask America that. There are a lot of families [in America] that believe in home schooling. I'm pretty sure we’ve contacted these agencies, but now we don’t even need to.

Clearly there are rules spelled out that aren’t discussed on the show. Can you talk a little about that? The wives obviously don’t sleep with the husbands. A mom will always have her own room in the home, with locks on the door.

What are the families told in the beginning? They know the process from their end. But the mom doesn't know where she's going or what family she's going to be matched with.

This show is really a collaborative effort; they're part of the process 100 percent. They get a manual with the way they live their life that they need to sign off on.

Is it hard not to intervene with parents like the Riveras, who actually install cameras throughout their house to spy on their daughters? Here’s the thing—we are a show that wants to find families who embrace their philosophies.

As hard as it may seem, we go through 1,000 different families a week [looking for this]. When you swap a mom, you don’t want a mom who’s happy to be gone.
With the Riveras, they really felt that they had a lot to offer and that there was nothing wrong.

Have there every been any pairings that were so turbulent, the week couldn't be finished out? We've never had a show we haven't been able to put on air.

Have any of the end confrontations turned violent? We've had really heated table meetings, but not to the point where we felt like something got out of control. We have a crew there, we monitor—especially on ABC; it's a family show.

Why do you think people are willing to be on the show and air their most private family behaviors, some of which might not be the most flattering? What it boils down to is the family has to be confident in who they are and the way their family runs. They already know their good and bad qualities. It's usually a family that’s more adventurous. The Rivera family knew some people wouldn’t agree, but they didn't really care. You can't have parents who are worried about what others are going to think of them.

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Ask a Casting Director: Why Was It Hard to Cast Gay 'Date My Mom'?

Posted by Corina Zappia at 11:23 AM, November 29, 2006


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Eye of the Potato talked recently with Matt Vener, former casting director for one of MTV's most daring reality shows, the now-canceled series Date My Mom. The highly rated dating show featured contestants who chose their potential mates based on dates they have with the mates' mothers. Eye discusses with Vener why the show was canceled, why casting the gay and lesbian episodes was so difficult, and where they found those freaky moms.

Date My Mom was a pretty bold show while it was on TV. Did you guys ever receive criticism for some of the antics, like when that one mom tied a cherry stem with her tongue? There are a couple of things people have talked about; I think at one time Jon Stewart had said something on his show. But when people make comments, that means it stood out. So people watched it because of it.

Why did the mothers and daughters want to go on this show? Were many of them interested in a career in acting? Yes, I think it was two things. These daughters had also just turned 18, 19, and were about to go to college. It was their last chance to do a show with their parents that they could show to the kids one day.

Right, but it's not like MTV could have done Date My Dad, right? It would've been pretty weird.

How did you find these people? Were they all applicants who applied through MTV.com? No, I have to give it to my staff of recruiters, who go out to nightclubs, beaches, colleges and find all these people. Most of the contestants came from holding events at clubs . . ."Hey, we're coming to your club, casting for Date My Mom."

It always seemed like the daughter was hot, the mom was ugly. Or the mom was hot, the daughter was ugly. Did you try to mix it up with with a certain number of each? We wanted to mix it up and give everyone a shot. We didn't want people to think you just had to be hot to be on the show. It was up to the guy, based on what the mom would tell him. We wanted to see if the guy would pick based on beauty or on what he felt comfortable hanging out with.

Do you think these guys can really tell what the daughter will look like based on the mom's appearance? We asked ourselves that, too. A lot of the times he picked the girl that maybe wasn't so hot but he had more in common with. It did work to show people that looks don't matter all the time. I mean, now the girl might look a little different than he thought, but that's what he gets. Ha, ha.

The show had lesbian episodes too, right? Yes. Each season we did five gay or lesbian episodes.

Did MTV want it? Were you pushing for it? MTV is very free-expression, and they love to add that to their shows, the diversity. That's what I think is cool about MTV, that they have no fear in taking risks and actually putting that type of stuff on the air. And it broadens the audience, showing kids that look, this is what's happening out there.

It's cool they did lesbian episodes, not just gay episodes. And to be honest with you, those were the funniest episodes we had.

How was casting for those? Pretty hard. because you're dealing with 18 year olds who maybe haven't told their parents yet they're out of the closet or gay, so it's harder to get them to come in with their parents. Or some of the parents were like, 'Hey, I want to do it, but I don't want people at my work to find out stuff like that.' So the moms who did it with their daughters, we let them know that this is awesome that you're stepping up for your child. To this day, we still all appreciate those parents.

Did you feel like you had to do more encouraging? Sometimes I had to talk to the parents. [Let them know] we're not putting them on the show to make fun, but to be on the show to support their daughter or son.

I know MTV is often suspected of possibly scripting their reality shows, particularly Laguna Beach. With Date My Mom, was it all pretty real? I also think it has to do with a lot of the people who come in and audition for the show; they see how the pattern works. Reality shows have formulas, but whether . . . I wouldn't know, because I wasn't on set producing it. I just did the casting. I'm the wrong person to ask.

Why was the show canceled? We had done 100 episodes, and MTV doesn't like to be repetitive. It was successful; it was highly rated; we run reruns now and it still brings in higher ratings than some other shows that just came out.

Were there ever any long-term relationships to come out of Date My Mom? There are definitely a few people who have called and said, "Thanks so much, I'm still hanging out with her, dating." No one's getting married yet, but still dating.

And I still like her mom! Ha, ha.

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Ask a Casting Director: Why Hasn't There Been a Minority Bachelor?

Posted by Corina Zappia at 11:25 AM, November 13, 2006


(Calgary Sun)
The current bachelor: Prince Lorenzo Borghese

Eye of the Potato talked recently with Robyn Kass, casting director for The Bachelor about the search for the bachelor, criticisms of current bachelor Lorenzo Borghese, and why there hasn't been a minority bachelor or bachelorette.

I'm sure you've read those criticisms about Lorenzo: his title isn't really recognized anymore in Italy, he's actually from New Jersey, he doesn't really speak Italian. We've never hid anything about his background or his family. Even on the show, there's numerous times he lets the girls know, 'This is the background of my family.' I don't think we were every trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes; I think we've always been up front about his family and their titles and where he lives and what he does.

So you didn't try to hide the fact that he was trying to learn some Italian before the show. You didn't feel like it was this grand exposé. No, no. People like to make big things out of little things. I thought it was very sweet that he was trying to learn a little bit of it.

Most of the girls had already done the research: knew about the company, his background. We didn't try to fool any of the women into thinking they were going to be living in, like, the Vatican.

Why hasn't there been a minority bachelor or bachelorette? Will there ever be one? Yeah, sure. Again, I came in late, this is my second season, I don't know the reasons. It might just have to do with timing and the people who apply and the people who we get and the people who are right all around. But I don't see why there wouldn't be.

How do you sift through applications for the bachelor? I know one can apply online. We actually do find a lot of good [potential bachelors] on the internet. The best people are not necessarily the ones who apply themselves, but somebody who nominates them. So it's like the mother or the best friend or the sister sending us an application of their good-looking son or brother.

Has anyone ever been chosen as the bachelor based on an online nomination? Well, this is only my second season . . . we didn't find Lorenzo [the current bachelor] that way. Actually, Lorenzo was nominated by a friend, but it was through phone calls. When we're searching for "the guy," it's about a four-month process and we call and locate and network, like, every single company in the country.

What kinds of companies? It depends. My staff and I will sit around and say, 'Okay, what are amazing jobs to have?' We might start off and say, 'Let's try astronauts and pilots and lawyers and surgeons.' And maybe even jobs that we don't even know if we'll be able to contact anyone. But we make a list of maybe 30, 40 different ideal cool jobs and then we start at the bottom four. And that means calling every law office in the country and talking to the receptionist and finding out if there are any good-looking, single guys in the office.

So you actually cold call these places? Yes. Usually the receptionists are really excited. Because so many people know the show, and it's such a nice show. That's why this show is so much easier to cast than other shows—there's not a crazy twist. You get the receptionist on the phone, and she will give us the goods. 'Absolutely, there's a really good looking guy and he's single! Everybody tries to set him up." We contact newspapers, and—I'm just throwing astronauts out there, I don't even think we've gone that route—we'll find out different ways of talking to people at NASA. Do you ever go through dating services? There probably isn't something you can think of in this world that we probably have not done. Dating sites are great, different athletic sites, magazines.

When we're looking for "the guy", there's about five of us. When we start the search for the women [i.e., the contestants], my staff ramps up to about 15.
We travel around the country, go in bars, set up events, do radio promotions and newspapers. It's all about letting the cities know we're coming into town.

You guys seem to target a lot of family dynasties. I know Lorenzo is from the Borghese cosmetics empire, and then there is Andrew Firestone. Is it about tracking down the 100th Carnegie? It's not like the network comes to us and is like, 'You have to find someone who's an heir to this or that.' But we always want to have the guy that every girl wants to date. We'll start off small, where we'll literally call the people at Harrods Hotel, and be like, 'Is there a daughter in the family? Is she single?'

So you'll call up the Rockefeller Foundation. Absolutely. We have no fear over here. And if you saw our calling log, it's of just about everywhere.

The calling log has got to be pretty funny. Honestly, we get nothing but great responses. It's very rare we hit a wall.

Even if you're calling a family foundation or investment-banking firm? Yeah, you think they would hang up on us. I've done a lot of reality shows, and a lot of them will get those responses.

So you don't think it is hard to find the next bachelor that lives up to the fantasy? Oh, I think it's really hard. It's a long process, and we go through a lot of guys. I came in so many seasons into it, and they'd already had the Firestone and the football player and the actor.

How many do you end up choosing from at the end? Wow. I think at the beginning of the search, we talk to hundreds. We narrow it down, and there's probably a pool of about 30 to 40 guys that we really get into.

Do you come across a lot of guys who live up to the fantasy but don't want to participate in the show? Sure. It's tough. And one thing we never want to do is talk someone into doing it.

That's why you really don't see bachelors who are 21 or 22. We want someone who's lived a little, who has dated and had significant girlfriends. It's a lot of interviews and a lot of conversations to get guys who are at the point in life where they're ready to find someone and commit to it.

Do you have an open casting call? It's usually just for the suitors, because the bachelor is soo specific. Although we've had places contact us, like maybe they have a single-guys auction at a company, and they might say, 'Hey, there's 20 guys we're auctioning off, and maybe we can put them on tape and send them to you.' And we love it when that happens and usually get really good people. There's hot guys everywhere. Ha. Unfortunately, there's none in my life, but there are for the show.

What do you look for in a suitor? One of the reasons we find the bachelor first is, we spend a lot of time talking to Lorenzo. After we end up choosing him, he and I spend a lot of time on the phone and I ask him his turn-ons, his turn-offs, and age range, jobs, schooling. He'll sort of give me his list of 'In an ideal world, this is what I would like, this is what I would like to stay away from."

And this is confidential. Yes.

Whatever you would think they would say, Lorenzo was just really open-minded and excited about meeting girls.

A criticism of this show is that a lot of the couples don't stay together. Why do you think that is? Do you think that these bachelors really are looking for someone to marry? Well, first of all, I'd like to say that Byron and Mary are getting married next month. And I will say that Charlie and Sarah are still living together. And Andrew and Jen, they were together for about a year. So people do criticize it and people do ask me that, but it's like life. You find someone, people fall in love, and they date someone for a month or six months or a year or two years, and sometimes they break up and sometimes they stay together. And I think that The Bachelor is like life. People say, 'You know, you put them in such extraordinary circumstances. How do you know they're really in love?' Well, then they get to live life together. We've had a lot of long relationships.

I think The Bachelor is better than my personal track record. If I wasn't casting it, then I'd probably give it a shot.

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